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A plea on behalf of all Irish people...
Vishara
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March 17th is fast approaching, and with it, the excuse to paint anything nearby, living or dead, various shades of green and blame it all on the several gallons of alcohol you just imbibed. And we here in Ireland wish you all the luck in your shenanigans!
But we have a favour to ask, particularly of our friends in the US and Canadia.
The name.
You get it wrong every single year. We don't blame you, it's only natural to assume that St. Patricks Day would be abreviated to St. Pattys Day.
But the thing is, its St. Paddys Day.
Patrick was a Welsh slave (not even irish) kidnapped by Irish slavers at around the age of 8, brought to Ireland. He escaped, returned a few years later bringing back some religion he'd picked up in the Duty Free. (fun fact, ireland had the first duty free airport in the world).
BUT, Patrick is not how you say the name in Irish. The Irish Language translation is Padraig. Hence it being abreviated to Paddy.
We love that he is celebrated the world over, we have no intention of discouraging it. But please, spread the word, the name is wrong. I noticed on the PA store, you have it as Pattys, which is what prompted me to post this here.
Go n-éirí an bóthar leat
Go raibh an ghaoth go brách ag do chúl
Go lonraí an ghrian go te ar d'aghaidh
Go dtite an bháisteach go mín ar do pháirceanna
Agus go mbuailimid le chéile arís,
Go gcoinní Dia i mbos A láimhe thú.
p.s. the pinching thing that I experienced while over in the states (pinching someone if they aint wearing green) no idea where the americans got it, but its not a traditional irish "thing". it is traditionally irish however, to punch the head off whatever random stranger just pinched you for no apparent reason.
But we have a favour to ask, particularly of our friends in the US and Canadia.
The name.
You get it wrong every single year. We don't blame you, it's only natural to assume that St. Patricks Day would be abreviated to St. Pattys Day.
But the thing is, its St. Paddys Day.
Patrick was a Welsh slave (not even irish) kidnapped by Irish slavers at around the age of 8, brought to Ireland. He escaped, returned a few years later bringing back some religion he'd picked up in the Duty Free. (fun fact, ireland had the first duty free airport in the world).
BUT, Patrick is not how you say the name in Irish. The Irish Language translation is Padraig. Hence it being abreviated to Paddy.
We love that he is celebrated the world over, we have no intention of discouraging it. But please, spread the word, the name is wrong. I noticed on the PA store, you have it as Pattys, which is what prompted me to post this here.
Go n-éirí an bóthar leat
Go raibh an ghaoth go brách ag do chúl
Go lonraí an ghrian go te ar d'aghaidh
Go dtite an bháisteach go mín ar do pháirceanna
Agus go mbuailimid le chéile arís,
Go gcoinní Dia i mbos A láimhe thú.
p.s. the pinching thing that I experienced while over in the states (pinching someone if they aint wearing green) no idea where the americans got it, but its not a traditional irish "thing". it is traditionally irish however, to punch the head off whatever random stranger just pinched you for no apparent reason.
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We're having some shamrock shakes at work, and I will be enjoying the Guinness later in the evening.
Do they still do a special... flavour?... of Guinness over there in Ireland/UK? I remember one year while i was living over there I spent the entire day in the pub drinking red-Guinness.
I'll be celebrating by going into work and using the day I'm supposed to get off next week as part of my Brother's Wedding. And possibly eating a hamburger.
I'll also be wearing green, because my usual jacket of choice is green anyway.
In welsh? i think you mean in Wales.
And its Ireland where its the national holiday. Also in ireland, where English is spoken fluently by around 99% of the population as our primary language, this applies to anyone called Patrick or Padraig. If someone abreviated their name to Pat or Paddy, they'll respond. if you called them Patty, they'll either ignore you, or laugh at you.
To be 100% honest, calling it St. Pattys day makes you sound like a fuckin idiot. pretty much every irish person will agree on that. I was trying to be nice about it, but i suppose i was naieve to expect americans to be considerate of origins of something. oh well.
Being in the correct 1/6 of the Island where both originated from, I get both. 8-)
Luckily he's thousands of miles from anyone who cares. If you want it to be Paddy, you should try to get it changed to St. Padraig's day. As long as it's Patrick, it's going to be Patty.
I'm pretty sure he meant in the language, Welsh, not in "in the land of Welsh." And yeah, since the English shortening of Patrick is Patty, not Paddy for Padraig, I think we're good. You're welcome to criticize anyone drunkenly butchering the Welsh version.
No, he means in Welsh. As in, the Welsh language.
Though I second the thought that if people are distinguishing between Patty's and Paddy's on St. Patrick's day (I'm anglicizing it, yes) they aren't doing it right.
In an American accent (unless you're Martha Stewart), Patty and Paddy are very close in pronunciation.
Welsh is the language of Wales, yes. I mean it'd be silly if you translated a name from old Irish that was "Qatrikias" to your common Irish which is Padraig. I mean... if we're going to be really pedantic here, I'd say you're more wrong than me.
relax
so the toffs on the other side of the world are calling paddy patty.
as a descendant of james connolly, who cares? let them do as they please.
If you could disentangle it from its origins, like Bonfire Night in England, then that would be great. USA has Independance Day, France has Bastille day, so having a July-oriented holiday for all the family would be pretty keen. The Orange Order however makes sure we all remember that its to celebrate the Battle of the Boyne and the triumph of King Billy, while not often mentioning how this led to a period of disenfranchisement for Catholics (and Presbyterians).
They take it far too seriously, which makes it rather hard to mark as an excuse for drunken barbecues.
The older languages are closer to "Patrick" than "Padrig" anyways.
The only ones that are like that are Welsh, and modern Irish. Which would be the most wrong you can wrongly be in wrongtown.
But I digress, I stick with the full Americanized pronunciation of Saint Patrick's day because I'm a square.
If this is true, I bet the negatvie connotations of the word are why we use "St. Patty's Day" instead of "St. Paddy's Day."
Anyway, I think I'm definitely picking up a large Shamrock Shake on my way home from work.
I'll call it St. Paddy's when you lot get rid of that random I
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Finally something the Americans and Brits can agree on in terms of wonky spelling?
There is no difference for North American speakers when they say Patty or Paddy. Both are phonetically pronounced as "pa-dee" due to the way we use Ts mid-word.
Certain dialects will pronounce the hard T but they are the minority.
So no, no irishman would laugh at someone who said St. Patty's day, because it would sound almost indistinguishable from the alternative.
I recall most recently seeing it used in The Saboteur by one of the Englishmen Sean encounters in Paris, and it's used repeatedly in the derogatory manner the *n* word is employed as.
This:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
does admittedly have "paddy" in there as one of the slurs.
Then start calling yourselves Canadans!
I wondered about this myself.
This thread is great though, because this has been driving me fucking crazy all week... at least after tomorrow I won't have to deal with it anymore. I'm a copy editor for a daily publication and have been getting submissions of "St. Patty's" and "St. Pat's" all week (why they can't just write "St. Patrick's" and leave it at that is beyond me). I've dutifully changed to St. Paddy's (leaving St. Pat's alone), as my research indicated that it was the proper Irish way and I needed SOME kind of rule to pick and stand by rather than just go with various spellings all week. But what Americans think of as St. Patrick's Day is very much a fratboy American type "holiday" so I almost feel like the non-Irish St. Patty's would be more appropriate.
I've yet to have a writer come back to me bitching about why I changed it to St. Paddy's, but I won't be surprised if it happens tomorrow, and it will be annoying.
And my Irish heritage means I can use the p-word. To prove this heritage, I shall step outside at noon on a sunny day and have my skin catch fire, which I will then used to roast a potato.
When there's only one band, there's only one choice.
This year we're going to the Natural Food Center, there'll be green beer and leprechauns and Irish cuisine, but best of all is the only people who eat there are rich as fuck. And they've maxed out reservations, and are expecting people to just show up anyway without one.
It's nice to be a big fish in a small pond sometimes.
Same in NZ. Now perhaps a woman called Patricia could be shortened to "Patty", but if spoken quickly, "Patty" and "Paddy" do sound pretty similar in NZ English
Anyway, making a big stink about the proper way to spell his name is semantic nitpicking akin to being the grammar nazi on the forums. You may technically be correct but it will make you very few friends.
Also, count me in on those who were pretty sure "Paddy" is a slur towards Irish-Americans.
Most of us will be lucky to string two syllables together towards the late evening, let alone pronounce clearly the terms "paddy" and "patty"
Only if you call all of them that. Like calling all asians Wang or all italians Guido.