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HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled ManRegistered User regular
edited March 2011 in Social Entropy++
In Vermont
Every Vermonter could sign up for state-financed health insurance under a bill passed by the House on Thursday that would put the state on a path to a single-payer health care system by the middle of this decade.

"This bill takes our state one step closer to a system that ensures that all Vermonters have access to the care they deserve and contains costs," House Speaker Shap Smith said shortly after the House passed the bill 92-49.

The measure now goes to the Senate, where it is expected to pass, but with some possible changes.

Our friendly northern neighbors know all about single-payer health care, but for the uninitiated, here's a primer (from an admittedly biased source):
Single-payer is a term used to describe a type of financing system. It refers to one entity acting as administrator, or “payer.” In the case of health care, a single-payer system would be setup such that one entity—a government run organization—would collect all health care fees, and pay out all health care costs.

And from Wikipedia:
Single-payer health care is the financing of health care from a single insurance pool, which in all existing and proposed cases is government run. Under a single-payer system, universal health care for an entire population is financed from a pool to which many parties--employees, employers, the state--have contributed. Single-payer is a market in which one buyer faces many sellers (monopsony).

Vermont's governor, Peter Shumlin, campaigned for office on implementing single-payer health care. It has to jump through some hurdles because of existing US law (including Obamacare), but at this point none of that seems insurmountable. Vermont activists have been fighting for single-payer for a long time. There are also active campaigns for single-payer health care in California, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and New York, and there's at least some presence of the movement in every state in the USA.

I think it's pretty rad.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Good for them

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    FirmSkaterFirmSkater Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    That is really cool

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    #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Same system we've got here in Australia

    Our single payer is called Medicare which is clearly listed as a section of your income tax. If you use it more than a specific amount you pay a little extra, and if you earn less than a specific amount you pay a little less.

    Also individuals or familys are welcome to purchase additional health insurance which can be used to recieve care in more expensive "private" hospitals and can also contribute to things which medicare doesn't cover like dental, optical, physiotherapy etc etc or things which medicare only contributes part of the overall cost like specialist doctors, X-Rays or blood tests and the like etc etc

    it's a great system.

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    can I get a hell yeah

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    please bring germany's to florida tia

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    want

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    babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    So Vermont is full of socialists, eh?

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    MereHappenstanceMereHappenstance Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I first read the thread title as single-player.

    I thought this was going to be a video game thread.

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    mensch-o-maticmensch-o-matic Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Ohhh man if Medicare was extended to the entire US ;.;

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    KabitzyKabitzy find me in Monsbaiya Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    we'll never see anything like that here in Georgia. seriously though, that's rad!

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    Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Look at this erosion of our freedoms.

    As a rugged boot strap pulling American individual I can't stand by and let this happen.

    To Arms!

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Harrier wrote: »
    Single-payer health care is the financing of health care from a single insurance pool, which in all existing and proposed cases is government run. Under a single-payer system, universal health care for an entire population is financed from a pool to which many parties--employees, employers, the state--have contributed. Single-payer is a market in which one buyer faces many sellers (monopsony).

    I'm proposing a single-payer health care system in which all claims are paid by Ted Johnson of Beaver Creek Minnesota.
    Good luck, Ted!

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    ah crap I posted in a socialism thread

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    Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    From Cracked today
    In the middle of the heated health care debate in 2010, the anchors at Fox News got a memo from the bosses telling them to start referring to the Democrats' plan as "government-run health insurance" rather than use the term "public option," which everyone else was using.

    Why? Because CBS and NBC both ran polls showing that when you call it the "public" plan, up to 75 percent of the people are in favor -- after all, everybody likes public parks and public libraries, etc. It's a friendly word. But when polls inserted the word "government," support plummeted to 43 percent. The Exact. Same. Plan. You know, the same way that a lot more people bought canola oil after they changed the name from "rape seed oil."



    Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_19086_5-reasons-humanity-terrible-at-democracy.html#ixzz1HZGa4FTm

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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    This could pick up steam; the more liberal states may look at possibly implementing this in their states.

    California will not because it is so broke.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    This is pretty cool. Too bad I'm in Texas...

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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    In the long run, yes, most likely.

    I was making a joke :<

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    Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I wish Ohio would get its head out of its ass.

    Electing Kasich doesn't make me think that is likely to happen so soon.

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    HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    peter shumlin being the american tommy douglas would be Cool
    Shumlin is pretty cool. When he was in the Vermont State Senate he led the fight for legalization of same-sex marriage, and was generally very progressive.

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    MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm from Vermont!

    I've been away the entire year so I had no idea this was happening. Thanks a lot family and friends for keeping me informed on state politics (just kidding I'm the only person who follows our state's politics)

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    MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Also I'm from the part of Vermont where every single person I knew in high school complained that we elected Shumlin and it didn't reflect Vermont but all the hippies who come to our Universities and vote left and then we year-long Vermonters are stuck with the consequences.

    lol

    Shumlin promised exactly this when he was running so I'm really impressed. So looking forward to his promised education reform next.

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Dern flatlanders stealing your freedoms.

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    FramlingFramling FaceHead Geebs has bad ideas.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    Also I'm from the part of Vermont where every single person I knew in high school complained that we elected Shumlin and it didn't reflect Vermont but all the hippies who come to our Universities and vote left and then we year-long Vermonters are stuck with the consequences.

    lol

    Shumlin promised exactly this when he was running so I'm really impressed. So looking forward to his promised education reform next.

    That is just like a fuckin' hippie, to vote where they live 3/4 of the year, instead of where they live during the other 1/4.

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    CheeselikerCheeseliker Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Hey Monkeyfeet, I'm from Vermont as well, and what you say is spot on.

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    CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I am one of those dirty hippie liburl university students. I didnt vote in the elections tho cause im not a registered VT voter (Im not gonna be living here for a lonnngg time after graduating). It's cool to hear Shumlin doing cool things! A girl in one of my classes last semester served dinner for his table once!

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    CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Just kidding im not really dirty, or anything close to a hippy. Those people can get really annoying here at times.

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    L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    i saw a good argument about why mixed public/private services are usually actually a pretty bad idea recently but cant be bothered trying to explain it from memory or finding the article

    hope u liked this post i worked hard on it

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    L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    and by 'pretty bad idea' i mean 'actually even worse than a full fledged version of either'

    incrementalism...

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    Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    peter shemlan?
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    TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    chances of the Obama admin letting this happen are kinda slim now :(

    Didn't Obama say "if you can come up with a health plan that meets the min reqs for the ACA on a state-level, that's fine with us."

    I seem to remember that being a thing.

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Massachusetts already has MassHealth, aka "RomneyCare" if you're silly.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    L|ama wrote: »
    i saw a good argument about why mixed public/private services are usually actually a pretty bad idea recently but cant be bothered trying to explain it from memory or finding the article

    hope u liked this post i worked hard on it

    Medicare seems to work pretty well. Come to Australia!

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    peter shemlan?
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    Hah!

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    FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Shumlin came and spoke at my work during the campaign. Was pretty cool to talk to him.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    but i'm young and in good health currently, i don't see why MY TAX DOLLARS are going to help some rabies infested mexican like muse among men (sorry muse among men) who probably sailed into MY COUNTRY illegally anyway

    i am of the opinion that governmennt programs should benefit me personally or they are a waste of money

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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Rolo don't worry, I actually laughed quite heartily at that post.

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    Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Only people with pussified livers need worry about that yellow peril.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Hahaha that video.

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