Pokemon Thread I: The Return

Dichotomy

THE POKEMON THREAD IS ONCE AGAIN WITHIN SAFE HANDS. THERE IS NO CAUSE FOR ALARM. WE WILL KEEP YOU SAFE. WE ARE IN CONTROL.

What is this place?
Welcome to the headquarters for the SE++ Pokemon League. Here, you will find our resident Gym Leaders, ample opportunity for trades and battles, and general discussion of pokemon opinions.

But wait, I don't know anything about pokemon!
You disgust me. But if you wish to learn, there are three sources:
Bulbapedia, which is pretty much exactly what it sounds like: a pokemon wikipedia. Craploads of information, and fairly user-friendly. Has been somewhat slower in the wake of the release of Black/White, and each article contains a great deal of information not relevant to battling.
Serebii is another option, and probably a faster one for quick browsing of pokemon, but the guy who runs it seems really kinda weird and I don't think I like him. Serebii is generally the quickest way to look up movesets, egg moves, stats, and the like.
Finally, Smogon.. This is a bad place. It is all about competitiveness and no fun, but in the interests of giving everyone access to information, I have included it. Just let it be known that if you make use of the dark secrets and cookie cutter strategies contained within, I will disapprove.

Why would you disapprove?
Because pokemon is not about winning, or about mastery. It is about FIGHTING SPIRIT, a true bond that does not in any way resemble some kind of horrific violent slavery. Strong pokemon, weak pokemon- these are the flimsy perceptions of people. True pokemon masters try to win with their favorites.

What are our other resources?
Got the animated sprites here.
Also, high quality artwork, complete with pokedex number and both english and japanese names. Handy.

Squall wrote: »

we should probably throw together a list of dw pokemon our group has available for trade in the OP

Here's the full list of the ones released in japan

These are the DW pokemon we have:

Nidoran
Tangela
Bidoof
Vulpix
Natu
Murkrow
Gligar
Swablu
Drifloon
Omanyte
Carvanha
Dratini
Lileep
Poochyena
Anorith
Lickitung
Poliwag
Sentret
Caterpie
Stantler
Poochyena
Mareep
Hoppip
Miltank
Lotad
Ledyba
Yanma
Starly
Lickitung
Igglybuff
Ponyta
Surskit
Delibird
Doduo
Pidgey
Taillow
Carvanha
Skitty
Psyduck
Wooper
Marill
Wailmer
Relicanth
Tropius
Aerodactyl
Sunkern
Spearow
Oddish
Goldeen
Chatot
Barboach
Corsola
Pachirisu
Shinx
Slowpoke
Wooper
Lapras

Warning: Dream World pokemon may not be available from all people. Many may be in the hands of individuals who do not always check the pokemon thread regularly. Access to Dream World pokemon not guaranteed.

did i forget any?

unintentional re: EVs wrote: »

EV Hotspots

attack: route one. Patrat and Lillipup both give one attack EV

sp atk: celestial tower. Litwick and Elgyem both give one sp atk EV

Speed: Surfing in a ton of different places. Route one works, it ONLY has Basculin. Basculin gives 2 speed EVs

Sp Def: Surfing in route 4 (the desert). Only Frillish. Frillish gives one Sp Def EV

def: The best option I can find it Wellspring Cave, which is 50% Roggenrolas. Roggenrola gives 1 Def EV. There might be a better place somewhere?

hp: Icirrus City, surfing, 100% Stunfisk, 2 HP EVs per Stunfisk

unintentional regarding breeding wrote:

WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE SE++ POKEMON LEAGUE?

So, with the introduction of B/W, the competitive battling community received a horrible shock: standard wi-fi battling was gone. The reasons for Gamefreak making this decision are likely unknowable and maddening, but we gotta make what do with what we got. And what we got are Flat Battles.
The hell is a flat battle?
It works like this:
- All pokemon are leveled down to level 50. They aren't leveled up, so if you have a dude at level 45 he will stay at level 45 and everyone else will be at level 50 and your pants will fall down and everyone will see your tiny penis. If your dude evolves or learns moves above 50 he keeps everything, he just gets reduced in level.
- Species Clause is in effect. The game physically will not allow two of the same species number.
- Item Clause is in effect. The game physically will not allow two of the same held item.
- Singles battles are bring 6, pick 3. Then you battle with those three. Just the three. The other three don't do fucking anything, they just watch and hop up and down and get mad that they weren't picked.
- There is a built-in banlist. See:

#150 Mewtwo
#151 Mew
#249 Lugia
#250 Ho-Oh
#251 Celebi
#382 Kyogre
#383 Groudon
#384 Rayquaza
#385 Jirachi
#386 Deoxys
#483 Dialga
#484 Palkia
#487 Giratina
#489 Phione
#490 Manaphy
#491 Darkrai
#492 Shaymin
#493 Arceus
#494 Victini
#643 Reshiram
#644 Zekrom
#646 Kyurem
#647 Keldeo
#648 Meloetta
#649 Genesect

So, how do we deal? This is how we deal:

- Until further notice, SE++ Pokemon League battles are to be Best-2-of-3 Flat Battles, with each participant having to use all six of his pokemon between games. Yes, this is not ideal. But it is better than not battling at all.

There is also the option for a Wonder Launcher, which is some kind of weird-ass way to say "You can use items in online battles". It's actually a pretty neat system, earning a point every turn, and those points being able to be spent on items like potions, heals, stat-up items, and at the very end of the scale, revives.

- Use of the Wonder Launcher is not mandatory. If you want to use it, and I recommend doing so, go ahead. If you don't, you don't have to. People who do want to use the Wonder Launcher are overruled if their opponent doesn't.

There is one more official rule:
- Don't be a dick. This is, bar none, the most important rule. View every action you take through the lens of wondering if you are a dick. Are you a dick? Cut that shit out. This is a big league. We do not need you. If nobody wants to battle with you, nobody will battle with you.

Don't be a dick.

How does the League work?
More or less exactly the way it does in the games: you beat gym leaders, acquire eight badges, and face the Champion.

- Challengers may face the League with two teams of six pokemon. Note that this does not say "a pool of twelve pokemon"- two teams of six. They can share any number of pokemon between them, and you can use just one team if you want to. These two teams are all the pokemon you can use to win your eight badges. If you want to change up your team, you'll have to earn your badges again. The limiting of teams is an attempt to make things fair for the Gym Leaders, so you can't construct a team to take out each type individually. Now, we aren't going to bother registering all the challenger teams- that's too big a hassle- so this will be on the honor system. Just know, we see all six of your pokemon before a match, and gym leaders will be discussing battles and swapping notes. I do hope you're not so pathetic that you'll cheat at an internet pokemon league to win a meaningless title, but if you abuse the leniency of the system, we probably won't want to battle with you anymore.
- While a gym leader's profile contains six pokemon, these are not the six pokemon they are limited to. Gym leaders can, without warning, change up their team however they wish, so long as they remain within their type. Yes, this is unfair. But they're also working within one type, so dammit cut them some slack.
- Gym leaders can earn badges too, if they feel like it. They can use their gym team, or another team, or do whatever the hell they want within the rules. But know this: a person cannot simultaneously be a Gym Leader and a Champion. Should you gather eight badges, you'll have to pick one or the other.
- You can earn badges of whatever type and in whatever order you wish. It's urged that you not earn doubles- like two Dark type badges- because that's kinda lame, but whatever.
- The first person to earn eight badges automatically becomes the Champion and has their preferred team enshrined in the OP.
- Any subsequent individuals to earn eight badges must challenge the Champion. The rules of Champion battles are entirely a collaborative effort between the two individuals involved, and there will be no input from the Pokemon League on how to settle the score. Best 2-of-3 flat battle? Best 3-of-5? Unrestricted 6v6, leveled to 100? It's up to you. If the two of you can't come to an agreement, the best 2-of-3 flat battle system is the default. Champion challenges must be answered. Should the challenger win, they become champion much as you'd expect they would. Should the Champion win, the challenger may not challenge them again for at least three days. Gotta let the Champion have some time at the top.
- Don't be a dick.

Don't be a dick.

GYM LEADERS

DICHOTOMY
POISON


VENOMBADGE
BATTLE READY


KURIBO'S SHOE
ELECTRIC

TECHNOBADGE

UNINTENTIONAL
FIGHTING


MANGRITBADGE



SPEED RACER
NORMAL


PROTOTYPEBADGE
BATTLE READY


SIR FABULOUS
GHOST


CURSEDBADGE


SQUALL
ROCK


QUARTZBADGE


YUKIRA
FIRE


BLAZINGSOULBADGE

TREAGY
GROUND

TREMORBADGE

T4CT
PSYCHIC

AURABADGE


ISOLDAE
GRASS


GRASSBADGE


NIRYA
STEEL

METALWORKSBADGE


ARCH
BUG

CHITINBADGE


MIZUUMI
PSYCHIC


MOONROCKETBADGE

FRIEND CODES

Dichotomy: 4255 2831 6836
Kuribo's Shoe: 4555 9233 8336
Nirya: 2537 3094 8592
Speed Racer: 1291 7565 5533
drp527: 1978 9812 2493
Goose: 0303 9357 8384
silence1186: 2021 9037 2198
Halos Nach Tariff: 4512 9821 6730
Spoit: 2365 5081 5807

Dichotomy

experience for yourself the bold new taste of pokemon thread I, with more text and fewer .gifs

Beasteh

well hello there

Treagy

the return of our glorious leader. My amazing Hippowdon is well on the way to lvl 100.

He will also help to produce awesome Mamoswine

Goose!

What's up with the OP only having those 2 friend codes? Who are those dudes?

Also, I need a Toxicroak/Croagunk with Sucker Punch STAT!

Nirya

Dich can you change my team up?

Switching to this setup due to how online battles have changed.

Exadrill
Ferrothorn
Skarmory
Empoleon
Bronzong
Lucario

Dichotomy

gonna edit nirya's team and start plucking friend codes from sigs to add to the OP

but with this server is too busy stuff it's gonna take a while

drp527

Yesssss Dream World list is finally up there

Now I don't need to remember which ones have been found

Speed Racer

as long as you're doing that kinda thing, could you change Wigglytuff and Smeargle on my team to Snorlax and Ursaring?

Nerdgasmic

so you're giving up the Photobucket gym, dichot?

Nirya

I'm probably gonna breed up a few Skarmory and Yanma from my EV trained group, if anyone wants one.

Gonna check my Garchomp, and I might breed up a few of them as well.

Spoit

Dichotomy wrote: »

gonna edit nirya's team and start plucking friend codes from sigs to add to the OP

but with this server is too busy stuff it's gonna take a while

Can you add mine, since my sig doesn't have room
2365 5081 5807

unintentional

I love that the Unintentional Quotes in the OP changed, but there are still quotes from me in the OP

Rogue Lemon

Holy shit, when did you guys get your grubby little hands on so many dream world pokemon?

I am picturing all of you following a small Japanese boy down a dark alley, hitting him over the head, rifling through his pockets, and running off with his beloved pokemon.

For shame, imaginary posters. You are no better than Team Rocket.

Speed Racer

oh, dang, and if you replace cinccino with ambipom too

forgot about that one!

I like how snorlax and ursaring are doing the same sort of basic motion

Goose!

Does anyone have any croagunk at all? 1 man left to breed/train and I've got a full team of 6 100s and can then help others level up to 100.

SirToasty

Dich you can put my code in the OP. It's in my sig.

Rogue Lemon

Excellent. I have a Fake Out/Regenerator Mienfoo. Once it learns U-Turn I can combine it with my Jellicent and Volt Change Emolga, and I can make everyone hate me forever.

Pata

I finally got Black.

It's awesome.

BahamutZERO

aw I liked Giovanni better

Dichotomy

Speed Racer wrote: »

I like how snorlax and ursaring are doing the same sort of basic motion

porygon-z is trying his best, and now there's ambipom

speed racer's gym: the cheering gym

Artreus

So what would be a good move-set for my Haxorus? Right now I have

Poison Jab
Dig
Swords Dance
Dragon claw

He learns outrage in one level, should I ditch dragon claw for outrage or get rid of dig or poison jab? I rarely use the latter two, but I was keeping them around for type coverage

Nerdgasmic

aw chyeaaah, who's up for a battle

Dichotomy

it pains me to say so, but poison is pretty awful type coverage

Artreus

I just looked it up and you are right.

Gross.

Poison jab it is.

BugBoy

I think I'm done hunting dream world things for now

my boxes are getting full

Turambar

Oh man, I missed an entire thread

Butler For Life #1

Me too


darn pokemaniacs, making us pokeaverages look bad.

Langly

i need to find a pokemon that can do four of whatever the Cut sort of moves are called to be my bitch

Like, Cut, Fly, Surf, Strength?

NeoToma

Me and Galvantula are destroying this dragon gym

Fuck ice, and fuck dragon, I'm just Signal Beaming all this shit

King Riptor

Oh Dichtomy is back.

*shrug*

So my white city shrank despite my talking to these idiots with one dialouge window daily

Fuck you white city. DIE.

Artreus

Langly wrote: »

i need to find a pokemon that can do four of whatever the Cut sort of moves are called to be my bitch

Like, Cut, Fly, Surf, Strength?

HMs. And Bibbarel can do a lot of them

Langly

Thanks art

Beasteh

i will never get tired of running the E4

just for alder and the credits theme

silence1186

Whoever created that flow chart of how to breed mons with egg moves, IVs, natures, and abilities, bravo sir.

Goose!

Artreus wrote: »

So what would be a good move-set for my Haxorus? Right now I have

Poison Jab
Dig
Swords Dance
Dragon claw

He learns outrage in one level, should I ditch dragon claw for outrage or get rid of dig or poison jab? I rarely use the latter two, but I was keeping them around for type coverage

My Haxorus uses:

Dragon Dance
Taunt
Dragon Claw
Earthquake

I highly recommend it.


Fake edit: Are you for real? They disappear if you don't TALK to them? Fuck Game Freak for making those bitches so needy.

Real edit: Also, anybody, Croagunk, please!

Artreus

So which is better, using the Larvesta that you get from an egg or just using the one you can catch in the wild? I think I might just do the latter because I won't have to bother levelling up the other one with exp share any more

edit: I am actually in the process of procuring the Earthquake TM right now

Maytag

Decided I'm going to make an all Ice team.

Pathetic typing be damned, I'll make it work somehow.

I actually think team preview and 3v3 could really help it work since I can scout the dangers ahead of time.

I could get you a Croagunk btw Goose, I'll just have to breed one first since I only have one on White.

drp527

Artreus wrote: »

So which is better, using the Larvesta that you get from an egg or just using the one you can catch in the wild? I think I might just do the latter because I won't have to bother levelling up the other one with exp share any more

edit: I am actually in the process of procuring the Earthquake TM right now

The one you catch is easier to guarantee a nature (and I guess IVs if you really want to reset for those), as well as easier to train, but needs Heart Scales if you want old moves (although I don't remember its moveset or if there were any worth using a scale on)

Either way, if you want to spend time making it the best you can reasonably expect it to be, breeding one or the other to get the nature and at least one IV you want is what you'd have to do, but that could take a while

Artreus

Oh, well the one I caught has a modest nature. Does it always have that?

Squall

oh I'm in the OP!

This is what it must feel like to be Internet famous

Who wants to touch me