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Question about renter's rights

quietguyinthebackquietguyintheback Registered User regular
edited April 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
Hi all,

I know there's a pretty broad wealth of knowledge around here, so I figured that I could at least get some kind of superficial advice.

A friend of mine rented an apartment from a slumlord. When she moved in, the place was filthy. My family and I spent two days cleaning to make it not so nasty. Let me give you an example of how nasty this place was. The landlord allowed her to paint if she wanted to. I was sanding the kitchen cabinets, prepping them for primer, when one her other friends asked who was making bacon. Yes, there was that much old grease on the cabinets.

He also said that there was no heat, and he had the gas turned off because the building was too expensive to keep heated. He gave her a couple of space heaters instead. Keep in mind, this is in Kansas. It got down to negative temperatures over the winter.

She really liked the potential of the building, though, and sub-let out part of it as studio space. She toughed out the year, and didn't renew her lease.

Now, her landlord is keeping all of her security deposit and invoicing her for damages and repairs, many of which can be attributed to not maintaining heat throughout at least two winters.

What kind of recourse does she have here?

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    IANAL and I don't know about the particulars regarding your local tenant-landlord laws, but usually there will be some local board that serves to settle these disputes. Here, it's the tenancy board.

    Barring that, there's always the good old lawsuit

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Most cities/counties have tenant's rights boards, or the such. A quick google for "[city/county] tenant legal aid" or the such could be the best bet.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Now, her landlord is keeping all of her security deposit and invoicing her for damages and repairs, many of which can be attributed to not maintaining heat throughout at least two winters.

    What kind of damage are we talking about?

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  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    She can take him to court.

    Also, in NY the Attorney General's office mediates security deposit disputes. I don't know if the Kansas AG does as well.

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  • quietguyinthebackquietguyintheback Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The damages in question are mainly issues of plaster falling off of the brick walls. There were some cracks that opened up, as well. We did some research, and the no heat thing also breaks rental code. The landlord must provide some kind of heat source capable of holding 65 degrees inside. It never approached that this winter.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The damages in question are mainly issues of plaster falling off of the brick walls. There were some cracks that opened up, as well. We did some research, and the no heat thing also breaks rental code. The landlord must provide some kind of heat source capable of holding 65 degrees inside. It never approached that this winter.

    Contact a tenant board. This kind of shit is usually their bread and butter.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The damages in question are mainly issues of plaster falling off of the brick walls. There were some cracks that opened up, as well. We did some research, and the no heat thing also breaks rental code. The landlord must provide some kind of heat source capable of holding 65 degrees inside. It never approached that this winter.


    Aaah, well that will be hard to prove was a tenant's fault. I guess the next question is documentation, do you have proof the heater was never turned on? Pictures of the resultant damage? Cause if cornered, slum lord is just going swear the heat was always turned on.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    The damages in question are mainly issues of plaster falling off of the brick walls. There were some cracks that opened up, as well. We did some research, and the no heat thing also breaks rental code. The landlord must provide some kind of heat source capable of holding 65 degrees inside. It never approached that this winter.
    Aaah, well that will be hard to prove was a tenant's fault. I guess the next question is documentation, do you have proof the heater was never turned on? Pictures of the resultant damage? Cause if cornered, slum lord is just going swear the heat was always turned on.
    If they don't have heating bills to back it up, they can swear up and down all they want.

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  • quietguyinthebackquietguyintheback Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    There's not even a gas meter on the building anymore. It's capped outside, so nothing could heat the radiators. Bizarrely, there was a central air unit in the closet.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    IANAL (yet) but check out the implied warranty of habitability. It doesn't apply to paint, cracks, etc., but no heat is a serious problem. If your landlord has not provided you with heat, hot water, etc. you might have a claim for damages against him.

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  • quietguyinthebackquietguyintheback Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Oh, wow. I just looked that up. There's even a state supreme court ruling as a precedent. Lady got her rent back. Neat. I'm steering her to an advocacy group local to her. Thanks, all.

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  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yeah, the local advocacy group is the best route - rental legal rights and issues can very widely, so getting good legal advice from someone who knows the local system is very important.

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  • ATIRageATIRage Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    IANAL (Almost though) The laws for these kinds of agreements vary widely, but the state of the law generally breaks down into two categories, tenant rights laws and landowner's rights laws. Because of the variance, the only true way to solve this problem is to either seek assistance from counsel that has a practice that involves tenants rights, OR go to the local law school and see if there is a clinic that is willing to provide some law students to help in the matter (A third option is to call the kansas bar association and ask them if they have a listing of pro bono tenants rights attorneys)

    As to the theories you can claim, i'd argue there are three that might apply:
    - Implied warranty of habitability,
    which is generally seen as non contractable, IE, if the apartment doesn't meet minimum standards of livability (such as having heat on), then landlord is liable for rent and other damage to the tenant.

    -Constructive eviction:
    Some states recognize that while you might be able to live in the property, the quality of the property is such that your full enjoyment and use of the property is diminished. In these cases the decrease in full use of the property can result in recovery of the ratable portion of the loss of property use (IE if you can prove you lost 20% of the property use, then you get 20% of the rent paid over the term of the lease)

    -Contract breach:
    Advise your friend to read the contract formed when the lease was signed. Many landlords fill their documents with boiler plate, however, landlords generally have a paragraph or two explaining what their obligations are to the leasee. These usually include what they will provide to the tenant in terms of repairs, heating, and amenities (like a stove and microwave, fridge or guarantee to ensure that such items are serviceable) If this language exists in the lease, then your friend can sue in court for breach of the contract.

    I know I said three likely claims, but there is a fourth possibility, which I haven't seen in many states: Per se liability:
    - Some states, like Utah and D.C. specifically spell out what landlords must provide as a minimum in order to live inside a home. This means that a statute was written that determines what must be included in any tenant dwelling. Violations of the statute give rise to a claim of per se liability (IE because the statute says what is required to own an apartment complex and make it available to tenants, violation of the statute creates a legal liability). If there is no state law on the subject, check city or county ordinances. Some counties or cities provide ordinances that dictate the requirements for a property to be classified as a multiple dwelling housing unit (apartment). In Utah, for example, Salt Lake County requires that, for a building to properly qualify as an apartment building, each dwelling must have a stove or some other utility for which to prepare meals, heating, conditioning, serviceable locks, and various other things. (NOTE that because these might be considered code violations they may not give rise to liability or standing to sue: again this is very state law dependent therefore your mileage may vary significantly)

    For information about what the law in Kansas is, you can just check google, most if not all states have their laws published online, and the same goes for county and city ordinances.

    Best of luck

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  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yes, many states will also make explicit the landlord's minimal responsibilities regarding providing and maintaining basic needs like access to cooking facilities, water, functional bathrooms, heat etc even if not specified in the lease, and may even prohibit you from being able to sign away their responsibility in these areas (so they can't have a lease provision that says 'Must okay with not having heat or running water').

    I didn't think these were as rare as ATI makes them sound, but I've really only got any experience with the landlord tenant rules in my area. Which, again, is why it's important to try to find someone locally to give specific advice.

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