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To Heat a Room or: Too Much Current?

CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwninRegistered User regular
edited February 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I currently have a computer with monitor, lamp, television, game consoles, printer, fan, and modem hooked up to this room through one outlet, split up through a battery backup brick thing and a surge protector. Of these, only the computer/monitor and lamp are regularly on.

The problem comes from the fact that I wish to hook up a 1500watt space heater into this room. It will be going into the surge protector. Is this like to cause problems and be a potential fire hazzard (as far as circuitry goes; I know a space heater can cause a fire for other reasons)? Would it be safe to have it on long enough to heat the room (this is a very small room, approximately 12ft x 12ft) with the comp/monitor/lamp on?

I can set it on low, which my dad think will probably run the heater at 750w rather than 1500w. Either way, I really don't want to risk a fire.

The room will also be constantly attended when the heater is on.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'd doubt a fire would be an issue if the room is properly surge protected and you don't use the heater near drapes or anything. Chance seem good that you'll blow a circuit breaker or the surge protector though.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Well from the surge protector the space heater is plugged in to, only my cable modem and my Wii on standbye are drawing power from it. And maybe the lamp, I forget. Either way, it's not much. The computer et al is on the battery back-up brick dealy.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm referringto the circuit the entire room is likely on. You could trip the breaker if you put too much power on it.

    It might be worthwhile to look in your circuit breaker box. if you know what room is attached to what breaker you can look at the amperage rating for that circuit.

    Also to be safe pay close attention to the amperage ratings on those extension cords and power strips. They should be written on the back. If you put too many amps on one they can cause a fire without tripping the breaker

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Will the outlet feel hot if there is too much going through it? Like, is it a sure-fire sign that will always happen if too much is going on at once? My dad said if I have it on and the outlet isn't hot after like 5 minutes then it should be safe. Knowledgeable he may be, he's a mechanic (well, a manager thereof) for a living, not an electrician.

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  • embrikembrik Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Are you sure you need a space heater?! With all that stuff in there, flip a few of 'em on and you should be nice and toasty.

    Seriously though, nexus is right. You do not want to put too many devices on one circuit. Aside from the obvious dangers, you are probably putting a bit of stress on the equipment by using a device that draws a lot of current on the same circuit. Heck, each time you turn it on, the lights in the room will probably dim and may trip your UPS, depending on its over/under voltage protection settings.

    I dunno, you can always try it, just have a fire extinguisher handy as well as a clear nose to sniff for that electrical burning smell / melting plastic smell.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Well I had it on for a minute and nothing blew, but I decided to wait until House was over so I could have the TV off, and to see what you guys said.

    So at least initially, everything is fine and the outlet didn't get hot.

    And yes we need a space heater in here. For some reason this room has a temperature independent from the rest of the house just will not retain heat. Well, it will, it's just it needs more heat at different times then the rest of the house does. My dad likes to keep the house at a frigid 66-68, whereas I prefer 70-73. I pretty much stay in here all day and he bitches if I mess with the thermostat.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    You know what, fuck it. It's too much of a risk.

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  • blincolnblincoln Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Why are you putting a space heater on a surge suppressor?

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Because if I didn't, I'd have to unplug one of the two strips that control everything in the room, sacrificing one half of everything in this room just to be warm?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Run an extension cord from another room for the space heater.

    Those things are enormous power draws.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Few problems with that idea.

    1) we have a 3 year old running around that would be all up ons that cord

    2) my dad said something cable thickness something something length something

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2007
    the best type of space heater you can get for this purpose would be a sealed oil radiator heater. Like below:

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    they have a much lower current draw, heat things gradually, are much less of a fire risk, and are very efficient. I was having a problem with a space heater we got at Target blowing the circuit breaker, so we brought it back and got one of those (normally costs around $39) and haven't had a problem since.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Honestly, in this room, that would just be one gigantic-ass fire in about 20 minutes. Lemme see if I can dredge up a pic of this room...

    EDIT: OK here we go. This is what I have to work with.

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    I was planning on having the little heater thing on the desk by the TV near the edge, away from the curtain. But with as much electricity as it'd be drawing in from that one little corner, I am quite wary.

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  • unilateralunilateral Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    yeah, I think a 1500 watt (was that how much you said?) heater would be too much (and dangerous in there. I have a heater about that size in my room and I make sure there is like 2 feet of open space around it at all times.

    However, one of my roommates has a little heater that looks like a fan and is very low wattage and works great for his small space. I will try and figure out which one he has and get back to this thread.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I have a little tiny one that's like a fan but it's a heater.

    The conundrum I am having is if I want to suffer the cold, find an alternative, or make the room really, really warm.

    Warm with raging fire.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Fuck the wattage. What's the amperage?

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    12.5 amps

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  • MothercruncherMothercruncher __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    There's cookie crumbs all over your floor. What the fuck dude, pick up that shit.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    There's cookie crumbs all over your floor. What the fuck dude, pick up that shit.
    Y'know, if you ever posted anything useful, I'd be more inclined to be a little patience, but I seem to see nothing but a neverending line of shit coming from your mouth.

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2007
    seriously, dude

    get a fucking sealed oil radiator

    they're cheap and will work perfectly for you and are safe in a room like that

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Calebros wrote:
    12.5 amps
    Okay, most home circuits are 20-amp circuits. Your computer is probably using 5 amps or so. Then, you have your monitor, your television (your printer is probably negligable), and anything else you have plugged in to the same circuit (most circuits involve multiple plugs, sometimes in different rooms).

    You should go to your breaker box, find the circuit it's plugged into, and find out if it's a 15-amp, 20-amp or 30-amp circuit. It's probably 20, but if it's 30, you should be alright.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    I have an old (but sturdy) space heater. It's on the same power strip as my computer and nothing has tripped.

    If you do end up going for it, please remember to follow this basic rule: It can only be on when you're awake, and unplug it before you go to sleep. Most fires started by space heaters are started when they're left to run all night and fall over or something.

    edit: it has 3 settings. "Fan", "I", and "II". Fan is obvious, "I" (what i have it on) has '(1300w)' next to it, "II" has '(1500w)' next to it. So i'm getting your lower setting will be 1000-1300w.

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Calebros wrote:
    Few problems with that idea.

    1) we have a 3 year old running around that would be all up ons that cord

    2) my dad said something cable thickness something something length something

    Drill + wall = access to another room.

    Your father is right if you want to connect to the power station, I assume he is talking about loss of power.

    But seriously if you do install a heater, clean all that shit up with that mess it is a fire trap.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Yeah there's only the one outlet. This house was built like 25 years ago.

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  • blanknogoblanknogo Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    If you're going to buy a space heater, I recommend that you pay careful attention to the safety features. Things such as auto shut off when tipped or when the power spikes are good/great features. Also, cool timer settings and/or a remote control are also neat.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    Yeah, anti-tip is a really nice feature. Even this old space heater has it (tip it over too much, and it'll shut off). They went a step further though, and put metal curved guards on the exhaust side so that if it falls over and the anti-fall doesn't trigger, the heat has somewhere to go instead of directly into the floor.

    It's only as safe as the weakest component though, and that's why I recommend unplugging it when you go to sleep - you never know if the cord has taken damage and will spark/short while you're sleeping.

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  • khainkhain Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Thanatos wrote:
    Calebros wrote:
    12.5 amps
    Okay, most home circuits are 20-amp circuits. Your computer is probably using 5 amps or so. Then, you have your monitor, your television (your printer is probably negligable), and anything else you have plugged in to the same circuit (most circuits involve multiple plugs, sometimes in different rooms).

    You should go to your breaker box, find the circuit it's plugged into, and find out if it's a 15-amp, 20-amp or 30-amp circuit. It's probably 20, but if it's 30, you should be alright.

    Assuming the house isn't that old its pretty much irrelevant if you blow the breaker. You can reset the fuse just by flipping the switch anyway. Also its actually more dangerous if it is 30 amp breaker because they aren't normal and theres a chance that some one just put a higher amp breaker in because they wanted to but the wiring won't be able to handle a constant load.

    Aside from that I'm confused that your room is actually cold. In my apartment I use zero heat and I jsut leave my computer on and it gets pretty damn hot.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    I apologise in all sorts of plainly visible ways if this comes off as at all offensive, but for God's sake just clean the room. Then you can get that radiator-heater on the first page and put it just about anywhere, and you'll be less cramped and warmer. And safe.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I apologise in all sorts of plainly visible ways if this comes off as at all offensive, but for God's sake just clean the room. Then you can get that radiator-heater on the first page and put it just about anywhere, and you'll be less cramped and warmer. And safe.

    You'd think it'd be easy to keep this room clean. In fact, most of the rest of the house is pretty neat and tidy.

    But this is only due to the fact that there are 3 rooms full of shit.

    This is my haven, and I try and keep it as clean as possible, but people like to shit all over it. This is the 'where the fuck does this go? I dunno, I'll just shove it here I guess' room. I have more than once cleaned out the corner of the room by the extra swivel chair, and straightened the shelves, and cleaned off the desk to the left just out of view in that picture, but shit just gets piled in here. I'm lucky it's as clean as it is.

    We might be cleaning out that corner again and putting my brothers computer there, as it is currently up in his room which as of last week does not have internet, and my brother and his wife MUD all the fucking time (well, his wife does. My brother spends most of his time being daddy AND mommy, but that's another topic entirely). The problem with that is one of room and power as well. If that computer comes in here, then I really doubt we'll be able to have a space heater in here.

    The wiring was just restored c.2001, but I don't know any exact numbers, so I have no idea how far I can push before something blows. I also really do not want do not want to have some freak accident in wiring and have something get hot and catch aflame before something trips.

    I think I'll just dress like I'm outside when I'm in this room and suck it up. We can keep this open I guess, in case someone has any recommendations thats have not been covered yet.

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  • CalebrosCalebros a k a TimesNewPwnin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    blanknogo wrote:
    If you're going to buy a space heater, I recommend that you pay careful attention to the safety features. Things such as auto shut off when tipped or when the power spikes are good/great features. Also, cool timer settings and/or a remote control are also neat.

    When I tested it and left it on for a bit, after about 30 seconds it would shut off. I didn't know if it was just turning the fan off and providing raw heat or what, as I have never used a space heater before and I do not know their behavior. It a good chance that was a auto-shutoff due to power spike?

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