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Wait... did I say Chris Rock was a hack? There's a difference between making a joke about stereotypes and having the stereotype be the joke.
Did I really need to explain that?
Exactly. This isn't a racist joke, it's just racist. Because it's nothing but a restatement of a racist idea as if that in and of itself it funny.
"Hey guys, you know who loves watermelon?!? Black People! "
I mean, it's not funny, it's just racist.
You can use racial stereotypes and the like in humor, you just have to actually create a joke around them too. But since this is CAD, actual humor is anathema so..
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
edited April 2011
It's like... Buckley looked at something like Scrubs and thought they were just making actual racist jokes, so he decided to jump in and do that. When in actuality Scrubs (and those sort of jokes, of which there are many) make jokes about racism, most of the time emphasizing how ridiculous racist stereotypes are. Apparently that's too high-concept for Buckley; shooting for the moon, he landed not among the stars but just in good ol' Racistville.
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Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
edited April 2011
Not a huge fan of scrubs or race based jokes, but I lost my shit when I heard this exchange.
J.D.: Mmm, mulattos.
Carla: They're Milanos, you idiot.
J.D.: I always thought that was a little racist for a cookie
Wow. I don't know what I was expecting when I clicked, but it wasn't anything as blatantly racist as that. He might as well follow up with a comic about how Asian people can't drive straight because of their slanty eyes. HILARIOUS COMEDY.
Sterling Archer: What? You're black... ish.
Agent Lana Kane: Ish?
Sterling Archer: Well, what's the word for it, Lana? You freaked out when I said 'Quadroon.'
Agent Lana Kane: Imagine that!
Apparently, you guys are unable to watch any funny shows, pity.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
edited April 2011
YOU imagine it!
Ahem. I think even Scrubs did a cut-away of the exact stereotype - the black family yelling at the movie screen. They did it over-the-top and then Turk said something like "You went to the black family yelling at the movie screen, didn't you?" JD imagining all these racial stereotypes was a running gag.
The way you guys are talking I thought he made some kind of slave or lynching joke. I didn't think it was funny not because of the racial line but Bukley's writing is clumsy. I also think you guys are throwing the racist label far too easily. Making a joke about race doesn't make you racist. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate CAD this isn't really one
That being said, that's comedy and you gotta find the line. You can at least give credit to Buckley for quickly pulling it and saying "I thought about this one in advance, gave it a shot and as it turned out, it didn't work at all. Really sorry, here's an alternate."
I'm not going to give credit to someone for pulling something that really offended people. That's insane. It's a normal, human response to backtrack. Now on the other hand, if Buckley were a Dickwolf things would be different.
True. But given two people, one of which who tests out a joke and then pulls it when things get dicey, the other who keeps it up and says "I don't see what's wrong with it.", I'd be inclined to be less judgmental of the former.
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The way you guys are talking I thought he made some kind of slave or lynching joke. I didn't think it was funny not because of the racial line but Bukley's writing is clumsy. I also think you guys are throwing the racist label far too easily. Making a joke about race doesn't make you racist. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate CAD this isn't really one
Yeah, there's degrees. And this isn't just a joke about race, it's a racist comment portrayed as a joke. Just because it's not saying 'kill the darkies' doesn't mean it's not racist. If it had been a joke about blacks having bigger dicks, that would also have been racist.
The way you guys are talking I thought he made some kind of slave or lynching joke. I didn't think it was funny not because of the racial line but Bukley's writing is clumsy. I also think you guys are throwing the racist label far too easily. Making a joke about race doesn't make you racist. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate CAD this isn't really one
Yeah, there's degrees. And this isn't just a joke about race, it's a racist comment portrayed as a joke. Just because it's not saying 'kill the darkies' doesn't mean it's not racist. If it had been a joke about blacks having bigger dicks, that would also have been racist.
Basically, the big problem isn't that it was a joke about race, it's that the joke only makes a lick of sense if you actually think all black people talk at movies.
Sterling Archer: What? You're black... ish.
Agent Lana Kane: Ish?
Sterling Archer: Well, what's the word for it, Lana? You freaked out when I said 'Quadroon.'
Agent Lana Kane: Imagine that!
Apparently, you guys are unable to watch any funny shows, pity.
Man, I would've went with the "Mulatto Butts" ring tone.
Man, I gotta get that ring tone...
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I'm possibly more offended that he had a planned back up ready to go at the drop of the hat. If you don't stand by your work, then you clearly don't care about it and you certainly don't give a shit about your audience. For fucks sake, try to create something.
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Irond WillWARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!Cambridge. MAModeratorMod Emeritus
edited April 2011
I used to go to the movie theater in DC's union station on capitol hill
It was not a quiet theater
This doesn't strike me as an especially pernicious observation. The controversy mostly seems to be that Tim Buckley doesn't really have the standing to make racial observations or humor.
He should stick with miscarriages IMO
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I'm possibly more offended that he had a planned back up ready to go at the drop of the hat. If you don't stand by your work, then you clearly don't care about it and you certainly don't give a shit about your audience. For fucks sake, try to create something.
You are offended at the lack of quality and pride-in-work for CAD
It's like being upset that a particular Family Circus panel just phoned it in.
I used to go to the movie theater in DC's union station on capitol hill
It was not a quiet theater
This doesn't strike me as an especially pernicious observation. The controversy mostly seems to be that Tim Buckley doesn't really have the standing to make racial observations or humor.
He should stick with miscarriages IMO
I'm not going to pile on the Buckley hate any more, I think the thread's about to capsize from the quantity anyway, but I will say this.
The joke itself just feels forced. It's almost too terribly written to be offensive. I kind of feel bad for the guy who wrote it because he seems to be either trying too hard or the "but black people talk in theatres" thing was the first line that came into his head.
He really needs some kind of sounding board during his writing process because as it is his words comes across as a bizarre stream-of-consciousness thing where he runs for the joke that pops into his head immediately not allowing for any sort of gestation period where it might grow into something funny.
I'm possibly more offended that he had a planned back up ready to go at the drop of the hat. If you don't stand by your work, then you clearly don't care about it and you certainly don't give a shit about your audience. For fucks sake, try to create something.
You are offended at the lack of quality and pride-in-work for CAD
It's like being upset that a particular Family Circus panel just phoned it in.
Offended and surprised are two different things. I am very much one and not the other.
I'm possibly more offended that he had a planned back up ready to go at the drop of the hat. If you don't stand by your work, then you clearly don't care about it and you certainly don't give a shit about your audience. For fucks sake, try to create something.
This struck me as pretty pathetic too. "Oh, somebody doesn't like my joke, I'll just change it then." Fuck that, have some integrity. Did Mike and Jerry take down their dickwolf comic? Fuck no. They defended themselves despite a huge amount of backlash and stuck to their guns.
I know we shouldn't expect things like integrity from Buckley but for chrissakes, it's just pathetic.
I just think it is an awful, awful joke, in both content and delivery. The racism is clear, evident, and not at all funny because, as said before, it's being delivered by a white man who writes a comic which is centered mostly on gaming. It's also not subtle in the slightest.
A well done segment on race, as written by white nerd for a predominantly white audience, would be the "Porch Monkeys" segment of Clerks 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2DxyAGzGxM
It discusses racial stereotypes from the standpoint of a man who slowly realizes just how racist he was unintentionally being, and pisses off a few black people in the meantime. Clerks 2 is funny because it does all the things Ctrl+Alt+Delete didn't. It made a racist joke, but through a well done script, being racist wasn't the punchline, but rather, racism itself became the joke.
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edited April 2011
A long time ago I buried any expectations I would've ever had for CAD.
I suppose it's telling that the only way the comic can get any exposure is when it does hamfisted crap like this. Hell, Buckley's probably one of the people in this thread, I know he likes making dupes to create the illusion of a committed audience.
The most jarring part of that comic is that the main character's built a robot. Having read a few strips following the miscarriage arc (because people kept saying it was awful and, after reading it, I tend to agree) it is so totally baffling that that guy could build a robot.
And then I guess there's the fact that the only believable face he could find for the emotionless, silent, and obedient robot was a black face is another thing.
Those two things bothered me more than the theater remark.
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syndalisGetting ClassyOn the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Teamregular
edited April 2011
I guess it is wrong to say that as a culture, the black community in America is more likely to make vocal coments in pulic gatherings, as it is something very prevalent in the black churches here and is instilled into many at a young age as something appropriate to do.
And this isn't racism, just cultural conditioning.
But yeah, the comic was stupid and unfunny.
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I guess it is wrong to say that as a culture, the black community in America is more likely to make vocal coments in pulic gatherings, as it is something very prevalent in the black churches here and is instilled into many at a young age as something appropriate to do.
That's not the problem. The problem is that the only way the joke is actually there is if one assumed that talking during movies is a universal trait for black people. I can't seem to think of any other way the comic could be said to contain a joke.
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Exactly. This isn't a racist joke, it's just racist. Because it's nothing but a restatement of a racist idea as if that in and of itself it funny.
"Hey guys, you know who loves watermelon?!? Black People!
I mean, it's not funny, it's just racist.
You can use racial stereotypes and the like in humor, you just have to actually create a joke around them too. But since this is CAD, actual humor is anathema so..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6y9VjTR6kI&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH47r58X2lA
Apparently, you guys are unable to watch any funny shows, pity.
Ahem. I think even Scrubs did a cut-away of the exact stereotype - the black family yelling at the movie screen. They did it over-the-top and then Turk said something like "You went to the black family yelling at the movie screen, didn't you?" JD imagining all these racial stereotypes was a running gag.
The joke is that Archer is racist and doesn't see it as a problem.
It's very different from the comic just passing off a racial stereotype as an attempt at humor.
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I'm not sure why you'd think that, unless you just skipped all the conversation.
Anyway, yep, bad joke.
Bad joke done many times in all forms of media.
Nothing to see here.
Move along, move along.
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True. But given two people, one of which who tests out a joke and then pulls it when things get dicey, the other who keeps it up and says "I don't see what's wrong with it.", I'd be inclined to be less judgmental of the former.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pynxkGO73Xs
Note how unlike Buckley's work this draws humor from subverting expectations and isn't clunky as fuck.
Yeah, there's degrees. And this isn't just a joke about race, it's a racist comment portrayed as a joke. Just because it's not saying 'kill the darkies' doesn't mean it's not racist. If it had been a joke about blacks having bigger dicks, that would also have been racist.
Basically, the big problem isn't that it was a joke about race, it's that the joke only makes a lick of sense if you actually think all black people talk at movies.
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Man, I would've went with the "Mulatto Butts" ring tone.
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It was not a quiet theater
This doesn't strike me as an especially pernicious observation. The controversy mostly seems to be that Tim Buckley doesn't really have the standing to make racial observations or humor.
He should stick with miscarriages IMO
You are offended at the lack of quality and pride-in-work for CAD
It's like being upset that a particular Family Circus panel just phoned it in.
I'm not going to pile on the Buckley hate any more, I think the thread's about to capsize from the quantity anyway, but I will say this.
The joke itself just feels forced. It's almost too terribly written to be offensive. I kind of feel bad for the guy who wrote it because he seems to be either trying too hard or the "but black people talk in theatres" thing was the first line that came into his head.
He really needs some kind of sounding board during his writing process because as it is his words comes across as a bizarre stream-of-consciousness thing where he runs for the joke that pops into his head immediately not allowing for any sort of gestation period where it might grow into something funny.
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I love that when his mom calls later, it plays the lyric "White-ass momma!"
Offended and surprised are two different things. I am very much one and not the other.
This is how I feel. Even though I'm not Drez.
Shit. I'm just glad that there's a well-drawn black-person in a web-comic that some people read.
CAD isn't well-drawn, and a robot with a black person face on it is not a black person.
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See, if someone wanted to make their own web comic mocking this CAD strip by featuring C3PO in black face, that might somehow manage to be funny.
So many rules.
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Only if some of his best friends are black.
So that dude who rode shotgun in the Millenium Falcon during the Battle of Endor could wear blackface.
This struck me as pretty pathetic too. "Oh, somebody doesn't like my joke, I'll just change it then." Fuck that, have some integrity. Did Mike and Jerry take down their dickwolf comic? Fuck no. They defended themselves despite a huge amount of backlash and stuck to their guns.
I know we shouldn't expect things like integrity from Buckley but for chrissakes, it's just pathetic.
A well done segment on race, as written by white nerd for a predominantly white audience, would be the "Porch Monkeys" segment of Clerks 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2DxyAGzGxM
It discusses racial stereotypes from the standpoint of a man who slowly realizes just how racist he was unintentionally being, and pisses off a few black people in the meantime. Clerks 2 is funny because it does all the things Ctrl+Alt+Delete didn't. It made a racist joke, but through a well done script, being racist wasn't the punchline, but rather, racism itself became the joke.
I suppose it's telling that the only way the comic can get any exposure is when it does hamfisted crap like this. Hell, Buckley's probably one of the people in this thread, I know he likes making dupes to create the illusion of a committed audience.
And then I guess there's the fact that the only believable face he could find for the emotionless, silent, and obedient robot was a black face is another thing.
Those two things bothered me more than the theater remark.
And this isn't racism, just cultural conditioning.
But yeah, the comic was stupid and unfunny.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
That's not the problem. The problem is that the only way the joke is actually there is if one assumed that talking during movies is a universal trait for black people. I can't seem to think of any other way the comic could be said to contain a joke.