We sincerely regret that PlayStation Network and Qriocity services have been suspended, and we are working around the clock to bring them both back online. Our efforts to resolve this matter involve re-building our system to further strengthen our network infrastructure. Though this task is time-consuming, we decided it was worth the time necessary to provide the system with additional security.
We thank you for your patience to date and ask for a little more while we move towards completion of this project. We will continue to give you updates as they become available.
Not encouraging. That sounds like the fix won't come for days at the least.
Isn't this the sort of thing that comes with an announcement in advance, though? Was there any warning before Wednesday?
Yeah. I'm convinced now that someone deleted something they weren't suppose to. Get ready for the next announcement, "Due to the nature of our system upgrade, some user data was lost."
"We just wanted to say that we had planned test that removed all existing Playstation 2 backwards compatibility on older Playstation 3s as part of a new hardware revision, several months in advance. We apologize for any inconvenience that the surprise might have caused last week."
I find it a hilarious case of bad timing that this massive PSN downtime comes just as the major huge online game that is Portal 2 is released.
And it's the first time Valve has done cross-platform play and Steam integration on PS3. Ugh, so annoying.
PSN isn't down. It's warming up the neurotoxin emitters.
PSN was detected to be 80% corrupt. They're working on doing a core transfer with the new core (Steam), but they're stuck in a stalemate awaiting a trained Stalemate Technician to show up.
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I don't pay for PSN+ but I just bought mortal kombat the day it went down. Kinda pissed I probably won't be able to play online before my spring break is over :x
Everytime I try to log into PSN, I get an automatic 'adding funds to your wallet has failed at this time', which is making me think that the whole dev account getting free money to retail account thing could be the culprit, at least partially.
If the feature was brought to the PS3 than it would work great for future games that supported it, but for any games released previously it would be as much of a pain in the ass to work with as it is on the 360 while you're playing an Xbox game - you have to find the audio menu and turn the in-game music off, and then deal with a horrible cacophony of clashing music that is the soundtrack of my nightmares whenever a cutscene starts.
I can't remember where I read it, but I heard that at one point Sony had universal custom soundtracks ready via a patch, but EA demanded they not included as it was incompatible with one of their Harry Potter games. They went so far as to threaten making games for the PS3, period. Make of that what you will.
Daaaaaaamn. I would back down too if EA threatened to make games for my system. Scary thought.
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This would have been funny a few years ago, but with Dead Space and Mirror's Edge, well...
Also, looks like I'll have to make do without Chinese Ninja Warrior. Got an e-mail that a website is sending me the PS3 version for review.
Actually, I don't think so. A continuous outage is particularly memorable, compared to intermittent ones that people still remember anyway.
The people who paid for PSN+ are definitely going to remember.
I paid for Playstation Plus and, while I will remember (just like I remember the Xbox Live one a couple years back) I don't really care. It will likely end up being less than a week, and while it's a slight inconvenience, it's really not that big of a deal. I don't think they owe any one anything for the outage, other than an apology for the inconvenience, which they have already given a couple times.
Shit happens. Large companies are no more immune to unexpected problems than I am. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I have used PSN for several years now, and overall, it has been pretty darn stable. A few days of downtime isn't the end of the world for me.
If the feature was brought to the PS3 than it would work great for future games that supported it, but for any games released previously it would be as much of a pain in the ass to work with as it is on the 360 while you're playing an Xbox game - you have to find the audio menu and turn the in-game music off, and then deal with a horrible cacophony of clashing music that is the soundtrack of my nightmares whenever a cutscene starts.
I can't remember where I read it, but I heard that at one point Sony had universal custom soundtracks ready via a patch, but EA demanded they not included as it was incompatible with one of their Harry Potter games. They went so far as to threaten making games for the PS3, period. Make of that what you will.
I'm a little late on this, but that was a rumor that turned out to be false. I believe the rumor started by someone pretending to be employed by Sony made a random forum post (not on this forum) on the topic. This just in, don't trust anonymous people on forums claiming to have inside information.
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If the feature was brought to the PS3 than it would work great for future games that supported it, but for any games released previously it would be as much of a pain in the ass to work with as it is on the 360 while you're playing an Xbox game - you have to find the audio menu and turn the in-game music off, and then deal with a horrible cacophony of clashing music that is the soundtrack of my nightmares whenever a cutscene starts.
I can't remember where I read it, but I heard that at one point Sony had universal custom soundtracks ready via a patch, but EA demanded they not included as it was incompatible with one of their Harry Potter games. They went so far as to threaten making games for the PS3, period. Make of that what you will.
I'm a little late on this, but that was a rumor that turned out to be false. I believe the rumor started by someone pretending to be employed by Sony made a random forum post (not on this forum) on the topic. This just in, don't trust anonymous people on forums claiming to have inside information.
I was talking to someone about the "Cloud saving" that you get with PSN+
They said it isn't cloud saving by any definition that anyone except Sony would use. You get a (small) amount of storage space, and if you specifically go to the menu and transfer a save to it, it will stay there. Then whenever you want you can download saves from the cloud too, by specifically going into the menu and downloading it.
You don't get a huge amount of room, and there is no automatic syncing, or saving/loading to/from the cloud from inside games.
In other words, it's shite compared to the cloud saving Portal 2 has on the PS3, and that is free.
Actually, I don't think so. A continuous outage is particularly memorable, compared to intermittent ones that people still remember anyway.
The people who paid for PSN+ are definitely going to remember.
I paid for Playstation Plus and, while I will remember (just like I remember the Xbox Live one a couple years back) I don't really care. It will likely end up being less than a week, and while it's a slight inconvenience, it's really not that big of a deal. I don't think they owe any one anything for the outage, other than an apology for the inconvenience, which they have already given a couple times.
Shit happens. Large companies are no more immune to unexpected problems than I am. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I have used PSN for several years now, and overall, it has been pretty darn stable. A few days of downtime isn't the end of the world for me.
You don't think they owe you for the downtime for a service you paid for?
I agree the service being down isn't the end of the world, but they definitely owe the people who pay for it additional time for the period it was down.
I also find it funny that back when anonymous were hitting their servers they claimed it was just scheduled maintanence, and now that anonymous has backed off they are claiming it is outside influence.
You can't blame the people taking advantage of a poorly designed system without also blaming the designers.
Sony cocked up so much of the PS3 security system, I'd be suprised if they didn't also cock up the PSN security.
You can't just blame the developers for not making a perfect security system. There's leaks? Of course there's leaks, there's always leaks. Is there a completely airtight system that's 100% safe from hackers and pirates?
it's kind of a weird justification, you can't really compare the efforts of developer trying to keep people out with the efforts of hackers trying to break in. The underlying attitude, the goal in mind, the way to reach it, it's all completely different.
I mean, tell me, who's more motivated? Someone who's just doing his job and getting paid or someone who's doing it in his spare time and taking it as a challenge? People are a lot more passionate about their hobbies than their work, usually. That's kinda the thing that made Wikipedia good.
If Sony is being forthright about the situation (and I'll bet it is), what they're doing is fixing something big because hackers found a way to break in. You say the way to go is blame Sony for making a "bad system" and the hackers for merely "taking advantage of it", as if there was a gaping hole, evident to everyone. Every system has holes, every system has a weakness and if there's people passionate about finding the weakness, they will. You're saying "Blame Sony for not making a perfect system", as if it's possible. I mean, by all mean, blame them if it turns out they didn't back up their data, blame them if they're hiding the fact they lost credit card info (which didn't happen), but don't blame them for FIXING their system and demand retribution for not being able to play online for 5 days.
You can't blame the people taking advantage of a poorly designed system without also blaming the designers.
Sony cocked up so much of the PS3 security system, I'd be suprised if they didn't also cock up the PSN security.
Hey you can't blame thieves looting your house if it's not sufficiently secure!
More like you can't only blame thieves for looting your house if you locked all the doors but left all your ground floor windows wide open. If you were robbed in that exact situation I described, chances are you'd be kicking yourself for forgetting the windows were open.
The difference here is that Sony should have known the windows were open, since they were suing the guy that opened them in the first place.
I guarantee you if Sony had a third party design and develop their security systems, Sony would be suing them right now for incompetence.
You can't blame the people taking advantage of a poorly designed system without also blaming the designers.
Sony cocked up so much of the PS3 security system, I'd be suprised if they didn't also cock up the PSN security.
Hey you can't blame thieves looting your house if it's not sufficiently secure!
More like you can't only blame thieves for looting your house if you locked all the doors but left all your ground floor windows wide open. If you were robbed in that exact situation I described, chances are you'd be kicking yourself for forgetting the windows were open.
The difference here is that Sony should have known the windows were open, since they were suing the guy that opened them in the first place.
I guarantee you if Sony had a third party design and develop their security systems, Sony would be suing them right now for incompetence.
Sorry, no. You can't blame someone for being robbed, no matter what. This isn't a case where you're getting robbed with a couple windows open, this is a case where people picked the locks. You can't blame yourself for not having a perfect lock. What you can do is call your insurance company to replace what was stolen, give the police all the info you have and change the locks. Sony is now changing the locks. The shop is closed for that reason. It's kinda silly to shake your fist at them and expect them to stay open or give you free merchandise in that situation.
You can't blame the people taking advantage of a poorly designed system without also blaming the designers.
Sony cocked up so much of the PS3 security system, I'd be suprised if they didn't also cock up the PSN security.
Hey you can't blame thieves looting your house if it's not sufficiently secure!
More like you can't only blame thieves for looting your house if you locked all the doors but left all your ground floor windows wide open. If you were robbed in that exact situation I described, chances are you'd be kicking yourself for forgetting the windows were open.
The difference here is that Sony should have known the windows were open, since they were suing the guy that opened them in the first place.
I guarantee you if Sony had a third party design and develop their security systems, Sony would be suing them right now for incompetence.
Comparing console security to an open window, as if it were that easy, makes me laugh.
It didn't have fantastic security. Time frame til being hacked is not a good measure of security at all.
Their private key signing mechanism failed to properly implement the signing algorithm properly. This revealed the private keys, which people could use to sign software/firmware as they wished. This in turn led to the exact scenario in that youtube video from the last page or two showing how to get free games.
For some unimaginable reason, Sony did not look at all the things that the key release made vulnerable, and now they've discovered that people are taking advantage of those vulnerabilities.
It's like someone lost/had stolen a masterkey to a university complex/commercial building/whatever, reported it as missing and management didn't change anything, then were suprised that expensive equipment/records/whatever were walking out the door. If your security situation changes, your security policy should change too.
This isn't a case where you're getting robbed with a couple windows open, this is a case where people picked the locks. You can't blame yourself for not having a perfect lock. What you can do is call your insurance company to replace what was stolen, give the police all the info you have and change the locks. Sony is now changing the locks. The shop is closed for that reason. It's kinda silly to shake your fist at them and expect them to stay open or give you free merchandise in that situation.
This is not like a picked lock at all, I'm sorry if you don't understand that.
If anything, this is more like the door got kicked in, wasn't fixed for months and then someone came in through the broken door.
One the security system is intact and operating as it should be. The other has had the security system made vulnerable and was not corrected.
This isn't a case where you're getting robbed with a couple windows open, this is a case where people picked the locks. You can't blame yourself for not having a perfect lock. What you can do is call your insurance company to replace what was stolen, give the police all the info you have and change the locks. Sony is now changing the locks. The shop is closed for that reason. It's kinda silly to shake your fist at them and expect them to stay open or give you free merchandise in that situation.
This is not like a picked lock at all, I'm sorry if you don't understand that.
If anything, this is more like the door got kicked in, wasn't fixed for months and then someone came in through the broken door.
One the security system is intact and operating as it should be. The other has had the security system made vulnerable and was not corrected.
I highly doubt sony ever considered that people would take a retail PS3, turn it into a debug/developer PS3, and then hack THAT to access PSN.
Your really grasping at straws here man, sorry.
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It didn't have fantastic security. Time frame til being hacked is not a good measure of security at all.
Their private key signing mechanism failed to properly implement the signing algorithm properly. This revealed the private keys, which people could use to sign software/firmware as they wished. This in turn led to the exact scenario in that youtube video from the last page or two showing how to get free games.
For some unimaginable reason, Sony did not look at all the things that the key release made vulnerable, and now they've discovered that people are taking advantage of those vulnerabilities.
It's like someone lost/had stolen a masterkey to a university complex/commercial building/whatever, reported it as missing and management didn't change anything, then were suprised that expensive equipment/records/whatever were walking out the door. If your security situation changes, your security policy should change too.
Yeah, but when that news hit, didn't they make an update? And then, someone found a way to roll back that update, which is why they're taking the system down to fix the problem.
I mean, I'd agree with you if the PSN wasn't down to fix the security right now.
it seems like it's more like losing one of a dozen masterkeys and never noticing until someone breaks in, changing the locks and then getting the locks picked, so they're closing down to change all the locks and make sure it doesn't happen again.
Actually, I don't think so. A continuous outage is particularly memorable, compared to intermittent ones that people still remember anyway.
The people who paid for PSN+ are definitely going to remember.
A guess: the shutdown was deliberate and intended to be brief, and was meant to deal with some discovered hack (possibly the one LewieP mentioned), but something went badly wrong during the rollout to live servers.
This isn't a case where you're getting robbed with a couple windows open, this is a case where people picked the locks. You can't blame yourself for not having a perfect lock. What you can do is call your insurance company to replace what was stolen, give the police all the info you have and change the locks. Sony is now changing the locks. The shop is closed for that reason. It's kinda silly to shake your fist at them and expect them to stay open or give you free merchandise in that situation.
This is not like a picked lock at all, I'm sorry if you don't understand that.
If anything, this is more like the door got kicked in, wasn't fixed for months and then someone came in through the broken door.
One the security system is intact and operating as it should be. The other has had the security system made vulnerable and was not corrected.
It seems that you'll go to any length to justify someone's exploitation of this system.
Sony should have considered it the moment they lost the ability to authenticate what was connecting to the PSN.
This is on top of not isolating debug/dev PS3s from the PSN or allowing debug/dev PS3s the ability to freely acquire licenses for software.
There's a whole chain of things that should never have been the case, but apparently we're only willing to blame the people taking advantage of it and not also the people with the terrible security policies.
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Man, that's my point.
PSN isn't down. It's warming up the neurotoxin emitters.
Oh man, I loved that thread.
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"We just wanted to say that we had planned test that removed all existing Playstation 2 backwards compatibility on older Playstation 3s as part of a new hardware revision, several months in advance. We apologize for any inconvenience that the surprise might have caused last week."
PSN was detected to be 80% corrupt. They're working on doing a core transfer with the new core (Steam), but they're stuck in a stalemate awaiting a trained Stalemate Technician to show up.
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I'm really digging + myself... though I wanna see something on the level of the Devil's Playground again soon.
Edit: The Devil's Playhouse. Maybe I should actually pay attention to what I'm typing.
The people who paid for PSN+ are definitely going to remember.
This would have been funny a few years ago, but with Dead Space and Mirror's Edge, well...
Also, looks like I'll have to make do without Chinese Ninja Warrior. Got an e-mail that a website is sending me the PS3 version for review.
Hope this crap gets fixed by the time it arrives.
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I paid for Playstation Plus and, while I will remember (just like I remember the Xbox Live one a couple years back) I don't really care. It will likely end up being less than a week, and while it's a slight inconvenience, it's really not that big of a deal. I don't think they owe any one anything for the outage, other than an apology for the inconvenience, which they have already given a couple times.
Shit happens. Large companies are no more immune to unexpected problems than I am. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I have used PSN for several years now, and overall, it has been pretty darn stable. A few days of downtime isn't the end of the world for me.
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I'm a little late on this, but that was a rumor that turned out to be false. I believe the rumor started by someone pretending to be employed by Sony made a random forum post (not on this forum) on the topic. This just in, don't trust anonymous people on forums claiming to have inside information.
It did sound pretty ridiculous and sketchy.
They said it isn't cloud saving by any definition that anyone except Sony would use. You get a (small) amount of storage space, and if you specifically go to the menu and transfer a save to it, it will stay there. Then whenever you want you can download saves from the cloud too, by specifically going into the menu and downloading it.
You don't get a huge amount of room, and there is no automatic syncing, or saving/loading to/from the cloud from inside games.
In other words, it's shite compared to the cloud saving Portal 2 has on the PS3, and that is free.
You don't think they owe you for the downtime for a service you paid for?
I agree the service being down isn't the end of the world, but they definitely owe the people who pay for it additional time for the period it was down.
I also find it funny that back when anonymous were hitting their servers they claimed it was just scheduled maintanence, and now that anonymous has backed off they are claiming it is outside influence.
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Seems like that would be a likely cause for PSN being taken offline.
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I like how he tries to hide his IP address but fails at doing so.
His mac address is probably more incriminating since it identifies the particular console.
You can't blame the people taking advantage of a poorly designed system without also blaming the designers.
Sony cocked up so much of the PS3 security system, I'd be suprised if they didn't also cock up the PSN security.
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You can also blame designers for doing a bad job, but that in no way excuses other people's actions.
You can't just blame the developers for not making a perfect security system. There's leaks? Of course there's leaks, there's always leaks. Is there a completely airtight system that's 100% safe from hackers and pirates?
it's kind of a weird justification, you can't really compare the efforts of developer trying to keep people out with the efforts of hackers trying to break in. The underlying attitude, the goal in mind, the way to reach it, it's all completely different.
I mean, tell me, who's more motivated? Someone who's just doing his job and getting paid or someone who's doing it in his spare time and taking it as a challenge? People are a lot more passionate about their hobbies than their work, usually. That's kinda the thing that made Wikipedia good.
If Sony is being forthright about the situation (and I'll bet it is), what they're doing is fixing something big because hackers found a way to break in. You say the way to go is blame Sony for making a "bad system" and the hackers for merely "taking advantage of it", as if there was a gaping hole, evident to everyone. Every system has holes, every system has a weakness and if there's people passionate about finding the weakness, they will. You're saying "Blame Sony for not making a perfect system", as if it's possible. I mean, by all mean, blame them if it turns out they didn't back up their data, blame them if they're hiding the fact they lost credit card info (which didn't happen), but don't blame them for FIXING their system and demand retribution for not being able to play online for 5 days.
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Yes you can. Not like that's specific to "poorly" designed systems either.
That being said...you shouldn't be surprised either.
Hey you can't blame thieves looting your house if it's not sufficiently secure!
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I wonder how much money they are losing from PSN being down.
That is of course if that is the reason, which does seem pretty likely to me.
More like you can't only blame thieves for looting your house if you locked all the doors but left all your ground floor windows wide open. If you were robbed in that exact situation I described, chances are you'd be kicking yourself for forgetting the windows were open.
The difference here is that Sony should have known the windows were open, since they were suing the guy that opened them in the first place.
I guarantee you if Sony had a third party design and develop their security systems, Sony would be suing them right now for incompetence.
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How long had the PS3 been out before it was jailbroken? Years.
The thing had fantastic security.
Dude. Don't be reasonable, that's just not how we do it in these parts.
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Sorry, no. You can't blame someone for being robbed, no matter what. This isn't a case where you're getting robbed with a couple windows open, this is a case where people picked the locks. You can't blame yourself for not having a perfect lock. What you can do is call your insurance company to replace what was stolen, give the police all the info you have and change the locks. Sony is now changing the locks. The shop is closed for that reason. It's kinda silly to shake your fist at them and expect them to stay open or give you free merchandise in that situation.
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Comparing console security to an open window, as if it were that easy, makes me laugh.
Their private key signing mechanism failed to properly implement the signing algorithm properly. This revealed the private keys, which people could use to sign software/firmware as they wished. This in turn led to the exact scenario in that youtube video from the last page or two showing how to get free games.
For some unimaginable reason, Sony did not look at all the things that the key release made vulnerable, and now they've discovered that people are taking advantage of those vulnerabilities.
It's like someone lost/had stolen a masterkey to a university complex/commercial building/whatever, reported it as missing and management didn't change anything, then were suprised that expensive equipment/records/whatever were walking out the door. If your security situation changes, your security policy should change too.
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This is not like a picked lock at all, I'm sorry if you don't understand that.
If anything, this is more like the door got kicked in, wasn't fixed for months and then someone came in through the broken door.
One the security system is intact and operating as it should be. The other has had the security system made vulnerable and was not corrected.
Steam
I highly doubt sony ever considered that people would take a retail PS3, turn it into a debug/developer PS3, and then hack THAT to access PSN.
Your really grasping at straws here man, sorry.
Yeah, but when that news hit, didn't they make an update? And then, someone found a way to roll back that update, which is why they're taking the system down to fix the problem.
I mean, I'd agree with you if the PSN wasn't down to fix the security right now.
it seems like it's more like losing one of a dozen masterkeys and never noticing until someone breaks in, changing the locks and then getting the locks picked, so they're closing down to change all the locks and make sure it doesn't happen again.
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A guess: the shutdown was deliberate and intended to be brief, and was meant to deal with some discovered hack (possibly the one LewieP mentioned), but something went badly wrong during the rollout to live servers.
It seems that you'll go to any length to justify someone's exploitation of this system.
This is on top of not isolating debug/dev PS3s from the PSN or allowing debug/dev PS3s the ability to freely acquire licenses for software.
There's a whole chain of things that should never have been the case, but apparently we're only willing to blame the people taking advantage of it and not also the people with the terrible security policies.
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