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WTB Widescreen LCD Monitor

Spore CloudSpore Cloud Registered User regular
edited February 2007 in Games and Technology
Lately ive been thinking that its time I go widescreen, sure would be nice to play WoW in widescreen mode, not to mention hooking up my Xbox 360 to it and playing some GoW.

So whats a good widescreen LCD monitor? At work I can get this for about $263. Im looking to spend a max of about $300, if there is a better one out there for less or a little bit more please let me know.

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    arcatharcath Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    You are much better off saving a bit, and going all out.

    Clicky Clicky

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    GatoradeGatorade Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Lately ive been thinking that its time I go widescreen, sure would be nice to play WoW in widescreen mode, not to mention hooking up my Xbox 360 to it and playing some GoW.

    So whats a good widescreen LCD monitor? At work I can get this for about $263. Im looking to spend a max of about $300, if there is a better one out there for less or a little bit more please let me know.

    2ms video response time? nice... I'm definitely interested in getting this. However, I've never heard of proview.

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    LavaKnightLavaKnight Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    arcath wrote:
    You are much better off saving a bit, and going all out.

    Clicky Clicky

    I second this motion. The Dell's are really nice, and the 2407 is probably the best option to play your 360 on.

    I regret that I didn't save for the component ready monitor at the time, but I'm still incredibly pleased with my 2005fpw.

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    StregoneStregone VA, USARegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Supposedly the dell 2407 has input lag. Some people don't notice it, others do. It would probably drive me mad.

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    arcatharcath Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Stregone wrote:
    Supposedly the dell 2407 has input lag. Some people don't notice it, others do. It would probably drive me mad.

    From what i read, that was on the first and second revisions. The current revision A03, this was fixed.

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    DírhaelDírhael NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    All of the current 22" LCD monitors are using the same panels, so if you're sure you want one of that size you should just ignore the various response times they list and rather check out their other features. Mainly I'm talking about things such as light bleeding which is a rather serious problem with some of them, such as the Samsung (225BW) and Dell (E228WFP) ones.

    I'd rather go for a good 20" or 24" if I was you. I recently got myself a LG 204WT-SF (20.1") monitor, and I couldn't be happier with it :) Just remember that if you're going to be gaming on any LCD monitor of this size, you might want to make sure your GFX card can handle it (resolutions of 1680px+ can be hard to handle and you don't want to be gaming in a non-native res.). I just ordered a Nvidia 8800 GTS for this very reason as my current ATI X1600XT card wasn't really up for the task.

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    arcatharcath Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I dont normally double post. But I feel this warrants it.

    The smaller LCD is a plain 19', and the bigger one is the 24' widescreen.

    behold and prepare to weep...

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    PolagoPolago Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Dìrhael wrote:
    I recently got myself a LG 204WT-SF (20.1") monitor, and I couldn't be happier with it :).

    There's two of those same LG monitors sitting on the desk behind me for my workstation, so i'm really happy to hear that you're happy with them. :D

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    DírhaelDírhael NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    PolaGo wrote:
    Dìrhael wrote:
    I recently got myself a LG 204WT-SF (20.1") monitor, and I couldn't be happier with it :).

    There's two of those same LG monitors sitting on the desk behind me for my workstation, so i'm really happy to hear that you're happy with them. :D

    It really is a nice monitor, and at the prices they're charging it's a steal. I was quite surprised to see such excellent colors from a TN panel, and the contrasts are great. For once blacks really are black!

    I did do quite a lot of investigation before purchasing though, and the display section over at [H]ard|Forum proved to be an invaluable source of information.

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    StregoneStregone VA, USARegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    arcath wrote:
    Stregone wrote:
    Supposedly the dell 2407 has input lag. Some people don't notice it, others do. It would probably drive me mad.

    From what i read, that was on the first and second revisions. The current revision A03, this was fixed.

    I thought the most recent revision simply obfuscated the panel type, so people can't tell exactly what kind of panel they got.

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    polaris314polaris314 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I got a Gateway 1975FPW (19") a few months ago, and so far I'm really happy with it. I would have gone bigger if I could have afforded it, but I couldn't really fit anything much bigger on my current desk anyway. It still feels way bigger/more immersive than my old 17" CRT. I don't yet own an HDTV, but will soon be the owner of a 360, and I plan to hook it up to that - it has dual inputs - one DVI, one VGA, so it can accommodate both the 360 and my PC with little hassle, and from the reports I've read it handles the 360 rather well. My only gripe so far (and this is more related to my vidcard/drivers) is that I can't properly pillarbox at all....so if I want to play an older game that doesn't support widescreen, it's stretch or windowed mode for me.

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    BinnyBinny Whidbey Island, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I just got this Acer 24" LCD recently and love it so far.[/url]

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    DulathDulath Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I got the Acer AL2216W 22 incher two weeks ago for a mere $350. It likes it a lot. An amazing upgrade from a 15" CRT. It sees double duty both as my PC monitor (DVI) and my 360 display (VGA).

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    bbmartinibbmartini Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Gatorade wrote:
    Lately ive been thinking that its time I go widescreen, sure would be nice to play WoW in widescreen mode, not to mention hooking up my Xbox 360 to it and playing some GoW.

    So whats a good widescreen LCD monitor? At work I can get this for about $263. Im looking to spend a max of about $300, if there is a better one out there for less or a little bit more please let me know.

    2ms video response time? nice... I'm definitely interested in getting this. However, I've never heard of proview.

    its a 2ms gray to gray, not black to black like others are measured on so its misleading. i have a proview 17 inch and its crap. the LCD gets ghosting really bad and tends to get burn ins. also a 700:1 contrast ratio is ok, but you're better off saving a bit and getting a Dell or Samsung.

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    ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Lately ive been thinking that its time I go widescreen, sure would be nice to play WoW in widescreen mode, not to mention hooking up my Xbox 360 to it and playing some GoW.

    So whats a good widescreen LCD monitor? At work I can get this for about $263. Im looking to spend a max of about $300, if there is a better one out there for less or a little bit more please let me know.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112005

    I have that. Costco sells it. The stand sucks and you might be able to put up with it or get the ergotron neo-flex from staples (another ~40$) You *might* need a replacement DVI cable too. Other then that. The monitor rocks! Its a cheaper TN panel but if you don't do video editing/ professional graphics its not that much of an issue. It looks good on the 360 with the vga cable.

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    DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    What about Viewsonic screens? I'm also going to be in the market for a widescreen soon. I'm specifically looking at the 20" VX2035wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116066 and the 22" VG2230wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116060

    The 20" inch screen seems to be overall a bit better, but its hard to tell. If anyone could point me to some decent reviews of either that would be cool too. Cnet just talks about the buttons, speakers, and stands the least important crap to me.

    I really can't handle ghosting so I would like to get as fast a screen as possible while still getting good color and contrast. Its also impossible to get an idea about whether or not a screen will have ghosting in a store because they just have them sitting there with static images. I don't do any graphic design or anything, mainly games and documents. It's just damn hard to tell which screen would be best for gaming.

    The 24" Dell does look super sexy, but I'm not sure I need that big a screen, and I don't think I'm ready to drop that much money on one yet.

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    RookRook Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Stregone wrote:
    arcath wrote:
    Stregone wrote:
    Supposedly the dell 2407 has input lag. Some people don't notice it, others do. It would probably drive me mad.

    From what i read, that was on the first and second revisions. The current revision A03, this was fixed.

    I thought the most recent revision simply obfuscated the panel type, so people can't tell exactly what kind of panel they got.

    Dell really can't come out and say the A03 actually fixed the banding/componenet issues otherwise everyone would ask for a replacement for their A02s etc. But pretty much everyone I've heard of with an A03 doesn't have banding issues.

    Pretty much every LCD has some amount of input lag. I think the 2407s are comparable with other monitors, certainly better than the 2405s were.

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    infofcerinfofcer Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I just bought this monitor and I am very happy with it. Nice and cheap too! May not be big enough for some people though..

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    RykeRyke Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I have a 2407FPW rev.A03 that I got back in November.

    It really is an excellent monitor. Banding is non-existant in desktop mode (only seen when using multimedia/gaming setup modes) while running DVI.

    I also have my Xbox360 hooked up with the VGA cables, and it looks great. Only a minor problem of a gray "haircombing" lines at the bottom of the screen when running the 1080 resolution that is easily fixed by turning down the sharpness on the monitor from 50 to 30. (Although the monitor doesn't remember this setting under VGA mode so if you like to flip from DVI -> VGA you have to turn down the sharpness every time you switch back.)

    A big thumbs up for the 2407FPW for sure regardless of its minor problems.

    p.s. It's cheap(ish?) Woo.

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    MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    ChiMei are popular here in Australia among cheapass gamers. Their quality is decent, and their price is excellent.

    Their price advantage mightn't be as big in the US, but they are still great value, and are definitely worth checking out:

    Chimei 221D-NBC 22" ($290):
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824252008

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    FatsFats Corvallis, ORRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Drool wrote:
    What about Viewsonic screens? I'm also going to be in the market for a widescreen soon. I'm specifically looking at the 20" VX2035wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116066 and the 22" VG2230wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116060

    The 20" inch screen seems to be overall a bit better, but its hard to tell. If anyone could point me to some decent reviews of either that would be cool too. Cnet just talks about the buttons, speakers, and stands the least important crap to me.

    I really can't handle ghosting so I would like to get as fast a screen as possible while still getting good color and contrast. Its also impossible to get an idea about whether or not a screen will have ghosting in a store because they just have them sitting there with static images. I don't do any graphic design or anything, mainly games and documents. It's just damn hard to tell which screen would be best for gaming.

    The 24" Dell does look super sexy, but I'm not sure I need that big a screen, and I don't think I'm ready to drop that much money on one yet.

    I can't speak for the 22 incher, but I just got the VX2025wm and it's a brilliant screen. Very bright out of the box, but with a little calibration the colors are dead on, no perceptible backlight bleed and black is actually black. No banding, either. It's a tad slow at 8 ms but you get a very nice 8-bit P-MVA panel and I've yet to see it ghost. Unfortunately, it's been pulled in lieu of the 2035 which has a 6-bit TN panel, a faster panel with less impressive colors. I'm sure the 2035 is nice, but if you can find a 2025 I'd snatch that up instead.

    The Dell 2007 was the other monitor I was contemplating, you might look into that as well.

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    RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I have a 19" dell that I was initially happy with, but then i realized its only 6bit color... so I see a lot of dithering in my desktop & video.

    I think the best way to tell was any panel that did NOT list 16.7 million colors specifically was going to band.

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    NaloutoNalouto Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    if you aren't a stupid rich bastard >_> look into LG's 20.1" widescreen.

    http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=156262&WT.mc_n=92&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=NEXTAG&cm_pla=DATAFEED-%3EPRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=92

    5ms and a dangerous 2000:1 contrast ratio (very nice and bright)

    I've had mine for a month and it is luxurious. for one to two people t

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    DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Is the new 22 inch LG? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824005088

    Haven't seen any reviews so I'm guessing so. They are claiming a hell of a contrast ratio at 3000. I know it's not actually anywhere near that but I've always liked LGs LCD screens. I'm guessing it's basically like all the other 22" panels though.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Drool wrote:
    What about Viewsonic screens? I'm also going to be in the market for a widescreen soon. I'm specifically looking at the 20" VX2035wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116066 and the 22" VG2230wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116060

    I actually ordered the VG2230wm recently and it should be waiting for me when I get home today. While one day is hardly any impression, really, I'll throw up some initial thoughts once I try it out. I got it from Amazon - $10 cheaper there, and as a CA resident I didn't have to pay tax. For what it's worth, my current monitor is a viewsonic and I couldn't be happier with it. It's just gotten a little old.

    Amazon link

    As for the question earlier, I really just suggest googling for the model number and the word 'review.' While a lot of them are for sales places, you end up getting a variety of reviews.

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    FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Can someone take a digital picture of an image on a 1680*1050 resolution monitor? I'm curious to see if the resolution improves the image as I've heard that contrast ratio and color accuracy are more important factors.

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    SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    So, this question is sorta related: I'm looking to get a new monitor sometime in the next month or two, and I'm wondering whether it would be better to get one big ass monitor, or two medium sized monitors. I do a decent amount of browsing while playing games and things, so it'd be useful to me - but I really want to know whether there are a lot of games that can use two monitors effectively, whether it hurts framerate a lot, things like that.

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    SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    You know what.. I'm rescinding any previous and past reccommendations for the Dell 2407.

    The first panel I got had the component inputs crap out on a regular basis -- they worked like 20% of the time. I got a replacement and 1 month later it starts crapping out again during games; black screening for a couple of seconds before sorting itself out again. Really stressful during GH2 solos.

    Today when I turn it on I just get a full green display. No green tinge -- a full on green display. Every input I try, every cable I try it's the same story.

    I'm just waiting on customer service reopening tomorrow before I chew them out again..

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    First impressions on my monitor -

    First off, there's always the huge impression left when going from a normal to widescreen, so that should be noted. There are no dead pixels on the screen, although there is one stuck one - I've already gotten it better using a quick run of JScreenFix. I'll run it for longer (30 minutes or so) later tonight when I'm not actively using the comp and see if I can get rid of it altogether.

    Not bothering to use the speakers, can't speak for that. The power cable is a little shorter than I'm used to because the monitor doesn't have the little power box halfway down the cable - still reached fine, but worth noting if you're going long already. The buttons on the monitor are in a bit of an awkward position, and pretty much require you to memorize which is which, because the markers for them are difficult to see. It's got a WIDE range of angles/heights/distances that are available on the stand. Quite good when viewing from an angle compared to my older monitor.

    All around, I'm quite pleased. I imagine that the parts I'm most pleased with are what would be standard among all widescreen monitors, but the price is very good for what you get.

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    DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Jragghen wrote:
    Drool wrote:
    What about Viewsonic screens? I'm also going to be in the market for a widescreen soon. I'm specifically looking at the 20" VX2035wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116066 and the 22" VG2230wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116060

    I actually ordered the VG2230wm recently and it should be waiting for me when I get home today. While one day is hardly any impression, really, I'll throw up some initial thoughts once I try it out. I got it from Amazon - $10 cheaper there, and as a CA resident I didn't have to pay tax. For what it's worth, my current monitor is a viewsonic and I couldn't be happier with it. It's just gotten a little old.

    Amazon link

    As for the question earlier, I really just suggest googling for the model number and the word 'review.' While a lot of them are for sales places, you end up getting a variety of reviews.

    You have any idea what Amazons return policy is as far as dead pixels go? I found the VX2235 at Office Depot for $350, and they have a 14 day return policy so I wouldn't have to worry about dead pixels out of the box. I think the only actual difference between the VG and the VX is the stand and speakers, neither of which are a major concern.

    edit: Also let me know how it looks when gaming. I find ghosting to be pretty irritating.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Drool wrote:
    Jragghen wrote:
    Drool wrote:
    What about Viewsonic screens? I'm also going to be in the market for a widescreen soon. I'm specifically looking at the 20" VX2035wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116066 and the 22" VG2230wm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116060

    I actually ordered the VG2230wm recently and it should be waiting for me when I get home today. While one day is hardly any impression, really, I'll throw up some initial thoughts once I try it out. I got it from Amazon - $10 cheaper there, and as a CA resident I didn't have to pay tax. For what it's worth, my current monitor is a viewsonic and I couldn't be happier with it. It's just gotten a little old.

    Amazon link

    As for the question earlier, I really just suggest googling for the model number and the word 'review.' While a lot of them are for sales places, you end up getting a variety of reviews.

    You have any idea what Amazons return policy is as far as dead pixels go? I found the VX2235 at Office Depot for $350, and they have a 14 day return policy so I wouldn't have to worry about dead pixels out of the box. I think the only actual difference between the VG and the VX is the stand and speakers, neither of which are a major concern.

    edit: Also let me know how it looks when gaming. I find ghosting to be pretty irritating.

    No idea about Amazon's dead pixel policy, but I do believe they have a 30 day return policy.

    I tend to be more of a strategy person than an FPS player, but I booted up Far Cry and didn't notice any ghosting. I did have to turn down some of the quality settings because it was running at a higher resolution/widescreen, but I think that's to be expected.

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    DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Yeah the hardware 1:1 pixel ratio is also sort of drawing me to the 22" Sceptre gamer monitor. I will be putting a new machine together soon, but my current one has a pretty weak graphics card. Nividia cards let you do 1:1 through the drivers, not sure if my Radeon will be able to.

    However, even on Newegg its more expensive then its Chimei equivalent, and Micro Center has the Chimei for 269.99. I could do in store pickup and not pay shipping, 20 bucks is 20 bucks. The Chimei also seems to get better reviews on average then most of these 22 inch screens. Not sure if thats just luck or actual high quality. They make most of the panels anyway so I guess it kind of makes sense that their own branded screens would be pretty good.

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    MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Drool wrote:
    However, even on Newegg its more expensive then its Chimei equivalent, and Micro Center has the Chimei for 269.99. I could do in store pickup and not pay shipping, 20 bucks is 20 bucks. The Chimei also seems to get better reviews on average then most of these 22 inch screens. Not sure if thats just luck or actual high quality. They make most of the panels anyway so I guess it kind of makes sense that their own branded screens would be pretty good.

    ChiMei have a good reputation for making excellent LCD Monitors at really cheap prices.

    You aren't going to see any fancy features on a ChiMei monitor, but the panel is probably going to be just as good as most other brands (since they make the 22" panels for most other brands).

    I guess that is why everybody gives them excellent reviews. They expect to get a pile of crap for the price, but get something that actually works well.

    The only defects I have seen people report with the ChiMei monitors are the usual ones that affect LCDs: occasional excessive backlight bleeding and dead pixels. Just check your monitor over when you get it to make sure that it isn't afflicted with either of these issues and it should be fine.

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    DírhaelDírhael NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Drool wrote:
    Yeah the hardware 1:1 pixel ratio is also sort of drawing me to the 22" Sceptre gamer monitor. I will be putting a new machine together soon, but my current one has a pretty weak graphics card. Nividia cards let you do 1:1 through the drivers, not sure if my Radeon will be able to.

    However, even on Newegg its more expensive then its Chimei equivalent, and Micro Center has the Chimei for 269.99. I could do in store pickup and not pay shipping, 20 bucks is 20 bucks. The Chimei also seems to get better reviews on average then most of these 22 inch screens. Not sure if thats just luck or actual high quality. They make most of the panels anyway so I guess it kind of makes sense that their own branded screens would be pretty good.

    ATI also offers it trough their drivers...kinda. See, the problem with ATI's solution is that for this to work, the resolution you want to use has to be of the same aspect ratio as your monitors default one. This means that if you have a native resolution of 1680x1050, you could do 1:1 on a 1280x800 res, but not on let's say 1024x768. This pretty much makes it useless.

    I just replaced my ATI card with a Nvidia one today, and this is one of the reasons.

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