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Seven Soldiers of [chat]

JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
edited April 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
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Plot summary

In the first issue of this story (which was part of a two-issue framework for the project), the Vigilante gathers together a new Spider (called "I, Spyder" and apparently the son of the original), Gimmix (the estranged daughter of Merry, the Girl of a Thousand Gimmicks), a new Boy Blue, Dyno-Mite Dan (owner of two "working fakes" imitations of the explosive rings of T.N.T. and Dan the Dyna-Mite), and the Whip (granddaughter of the Golden Age Whip). The team sets out to battle the Buffalo Spider (later on, the Sheeda are betrayed by Spyder in Seven Soldiers of Victory #1 in another nod to the original), only to be killed during an event known as the Harrowing.
The seven miniseries follow seven other characters with indirect connections to the first group, each with their own art styles, genres, and character arcs. A central part of Morrison's idea for the current series is that, although the seven characters in question are each a part of the same struggle, they never actually meet (although there are references to each other in the various titles). Thus, the team is actually not a team.
An explanation for this is presented in Manhattan Guardian and Zatanna. In the first, a man named Ed Starsgard (Baby Brain) tells Guardian that the Sheeda have been attacking humanity in periodic waves, taking everything of value (physical and mental) and leaving behind just enough for the survivors to rebuild for next time. It is prophesied that the Sheeda will eventually be stopped by seven soldiers, so they target teams of seven, including the Ultramarine Corps and the Justice League of America (JLA: Classified #1-3). However, because the Seven Soldiers have never met, they stand a chance of doing the job.
In Zatanna, a ghost remarks that there are too many coincidences in the story and it feels like there is a "mystery string tying it all together". It eventually emerges that the Seven Unknown Men of Slaughter Swamp are driving the Seven Soldiers to stop the Sheeda.

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  • thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    *Inhales deeply* Ahh, the new thread smell.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Oh Grant Morrison you crazy chaos wizard son of a bitch

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Chaotic Neutral is true chaos in my opinion - not driven by sociopathy or good-will but by utter whimsy. Basically the worst possible Emersonian character.

    Eddy on
    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
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    Wow, I look exactly like Morrison. I have a cleft chin and my ears are a touch bigger but this is seriously spooky.

    edit: I don't dress like that though. Not sure what is up with that outfit.

    edit#2: Further GISing has revealed that I actually don't look as much like him as the first image led me to believe. But I could be his stunt double easily.

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  • CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの 電車内Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I don't think that sociopaths are necessarily chaotic evil. They don't have to enjoy chaos or encourage it.

    Maybe lawful evil...

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I said neutral evil

    Eddy on
    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    western comics are so juvenile

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    someday I will read those

    So It Goes on
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    Neutral evil is pure sociopathy; at least that's how I interpreted it.

    Isn't that Chaotic Neutral?

    Nah, Chaotic Neutral is randomness (or an excuse to not have to actually roleplay a character :P ).

    Neutral evil is pure me-first, id-driven thinking; they just do what they want without any regard for consequences.

    Chaotic evil is sadism and hate and so forth.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    but can you write like Morrison

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    There is only one true Morrison and his first name is Jim.

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Jacob what is that in the OP. That looks like something I should read.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    Organichu wrote: »
    western comics are so juvenile

    troll-face.jpg

    fffffffffuuuUUUUUUUUUUU-

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    can you gentlemen

    please

    not having a fucking D&D Alignment argument

    please

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  • CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの 電車内Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    I said neutral evil

    Ah, my mistake. >.<

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Complicated alignment/ideology systems are like the best part about pen-and-paper rpgs

    Eddy on
    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Pony wrote: »
    can you gentlemen

    please

    not having a fucking D&D Alignment argument

    please

    Sorry, just re-discovered my AD&D books the other night. This line of thought was bound to surface.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Neutral evil is pure sociopathy; at least that's how I interpreted it.

    Isn't that Chaotic Neutral?

    Nah, Chaotic Neutral is randomness (or an excuse to not have to actually roleplay a character :P ).

    Neutral evil is pure me-first, id-driven thinking; they just do what they want without any regard for consequences.

    Chaotic evil is sadism and hate and so forth.

    CN was always a sign you should just ban a player from the table.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    So my eyes are gray and kind of reflect blue/green depending on what I'm wearing and the light etc.

    The blonde highlights are making them kind of bluey

    I am semi-Aryan

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2011
    Lex Luthor, IMHO, is the archetype of Neutral Evil. He's not out to create chaos for the sake of chaos, nor does he adhere to some twisted code. He's in it for himself, he'll do whatever is necessary to advance his own agenda.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    Jacob what is that in the OP. That looks like something I should read.

    Yo

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    Chaotic Neutral is true chaos in my opinion - not driven by sociopathy or good-will but by utter whimsy. Basically the worst possible Emersonian character.

    What about Choatic Apathy?

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Pony wrote: »
    can you gentlemen

    please

    not having a fucking D&D Alignment argument

    please

    look they're chaotic pedant they can't help it

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Neutral evil is pure sociopathy; at least that's how I interpreted it.

    Isn't that Chaotic Neutral?

    Nah, Chaotic Neutral is randomness (or an excuse to not have to actually roleplay a character :P ).

    Neutral evil is pure me-first, id-driven thinking; they just do what they want without any regard for consequences.

    Chaotic evil is sadism and hate and so forth.

    CN was always a sign you should just ban a player from the table.

    Oh God it is so awkward when someone uses a PnP for unacceptable wish fulfillment.

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Cokebotle wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    I said neutral evil

    Ah, my mistake. >.<

    Nah, there's a reason they cleaned up the alignment system :P

    Sparked way too much confusion I guess

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    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの 電車内Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    You know what's a fun RPG?

    Munchkin!

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    Complicated alignment/ideology systems are like the best part about pen-and-paper rpgs

    omega-level wrongness here

    like

    on a near incomprehensible scale

    eddy you basically just said the equivalent of unpleasant curry-shits the next day are the best part about Indian food

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  • South hostSouth host I obey without question Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    40k is so fucking great

    It's ok.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Cokebotle wrote: »
    You know what's a fun RPG?

    Munchkin!

    Munchkin is great because I'm a spiteful person in competitive games and Munchkin not only allows that

    it nurtures it

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    So my eyes are gray and kind of reflect blue/green depending on what I'm wearing and the light etc.

    The blonde highlights are making them kind of bluey

    I am semi-Aryan
    Pics, or it didn't happen.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Lex Luthor, IMHO, is the archetype of Neutral Evil. He's not out to create chaos for the sake of chaos, nor does he adhere to some twisted code. He's in it for himself, he'll do whatever is necessary to advance his own agenda.

    It really depends on whose Lex Luthor we're talking about

    Red Son's Lex Luthor is not evil, exactly, to my mind

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Pony wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Complicated alignment/ideology systems are like the best part about pen-and-paper rpgs

    omega-level wrongness here

    like

    on a near incomprehensible scale

    eddy you basically just said the equivalent of unpleasant curry-shits the next day are the best part about Indian food

    So if eddy's opinion was reflective of an alignment...

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    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2011
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Neutral evil is pure sociopathy; at least that's how I interpreted it.

    Isn't that Chaotic Neutral?

    Nah, Chaotic Neutral is randomness (or an excuse to not have to actually roleplay a character :P ).

    Neutral evil is pure me-first, id-driven thinking; they just do what they want without any regard for consequences.

    Chaotic evil is sadism and hate and so forth.

    CN was always a sign you should just ban a player from the table.

    Any alignment can be bad in the hands of a jackass player. CN is no different. You can play CN like a retard, but you can also do the same thing with LN or CG or whatever. There are lots of nuanced CN characters that would be great opportunities for RPing.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Cokebotle wrote: »
    You know what's a fun RPG?

    Munchkin!

    oh man munchkin is awesome

    especially when you mix more than one set together

    at my house we have Star Munchkin, Munchkin, and Munchkin Booty

    sci-fi, fantasy, and pirate themed sets, respectively

    so you get like

    dwarf cyborg buccaneers with a chainsaw duct-taped to a crossbow

    on a viking longboat crewed by kittens

    Pony on
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Pony wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Complicated alignment/ideology systems are like the best part about pen-and-paper rpgs

    omega-level wrongness here

    like

    on a near incomprehensible scale

    eddy you basically just said the equivalent of unpleasant curry-shits the next day are the best part about Indian food
    Yeah, alignment is pretty much the worst part about D&D.

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  • CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの 電車内Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Also, it appears that based on internet research the us postal system sucks for sending stuff overseas cheaply. Where's the 'by boat' option? :(

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    grrrr

    the republic of venice has a regiment of nine thousand troops

    but if it goes anywhere, that will decrease rapidly, because when an army is in a province, any troops beyond the limit that the province will support get a large chunk taken out every month from attrition

    so by the time venice's men get anywhere, they're down to more like five thousand

    and you can't split a single regiment

    grrr!

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2011
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Lex Luthor, IMHO, is the archetype of Neutral Evil. He's not out to create chaos for the sake of chaos, nor does he adhere to some twisted code. He's in it for himself, he'll do whatever is necessary to advance his own agenda.

    It really depends on whose Lex Luthor we're talking about

    Red Son's Lex Luthor is not evil, exactly, to my mind

    The canon one, not the "What if" Lex Luthors or whatever.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Neutral evil is pure sociopathy; at least that's how I interpreted it.

    Isn't that Chaotic Neutral?

    Nah, Chaotic Neutral is randomness (or an excuse to not have to actually roleplay a character :P ).

    Neutral evil is pure me-first, id-driven thinking; they just do what they want without any regard for consequences.

    Chaotic evil is sadism and hate and so forth.

    CN was always a sign you should just ban a player from the table.

    Oh God it is so awkward when someone uses a PnP for unacceptable wish fulfillment.

    I...I TOUCH THE BOOBS

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Jacob what is that in the OP. That looks like something I should read.

    Yo

    I am going to finish Green Arrow: Year One and then I'm going to decide whether or not to buy Daredevil Vol 2 (Frank Miller), but then I am going to buy the shit out of that.

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