COD Modern Warfare 3: New Spec Ops detailed

Senshi

Domhnall wrote: »

Most of them are due to the fact its a console and have nothing to do with the control scheme though. The only problem is auto aim is needed to a certain degree but that leads to quick scoping. Can't think of any others that are caused by the gimped controls.

You're right because they're totally different games after all

it's not like the one defining feature of either system is the control scheme right

right

oh wait

Jaunty

the real question is will this be possible

0Replace4Displace

Bling Pro Pro Pro.

Silenced Scoped Desert Eagle with Stock and Bipod for days.

Senshi

That didn't strike me as odd until I realized underneath all that tacticool was a handgun

at which point I raged

the fact that it was a DESERT EAGLE POINT FIVE OH only exacerbated it

ffffffffffffffffffff

Domhnall

Senshi wrote: »

Domhnall wrote: »

Most of them are due to the fact its a console and have nothing to do with the control scheme though. The only problem is auto aim is needed to a certain degree but that leads to quick scoping. Can't think of any others that are caused by the gimped controls.

You're right because they're totally different games after all

it's not like the one defining feature of either system is the control scheme right

right

oh wait

Yeah, I'm sure the lack of a KBAM is what causes host advantage.

Jaunty

hahahaha yeah it took me a while to identify it too

chiasaur11

Needs a grenade launcher.

Senshi

Domhnall wrote: »

Senshi wrote: »

Domhnall wrote: »

Most of them are due to the fact its a console and have nothing to do with the control scheme though. The only problem is auto aim is needed to a certain degree but that leads to quick scoping. Can't think of any others that are caused by the gimped controls.

You're right because they're totally different games after all

it's not like the one defining feature of either system is the control scheme right

right

oh wait

Yeah, I'm sure the lack of a KBAM is what causes host advantage.

hey guess what that same host advantage is on PC too

remember, we didn't get dedicated servers for MW2

try again

Domhnall

I was talking about Blops. I thought you were too. Welp that's what I get for coming in halfway through a conversation. I do apologise.

edit: The only real difference, as far as I know, between the MW2 versions was the control scheme (unlike BLops which had servers). So...I'm still not really understanding the original comment... What are these 80% of problems which effect the console version that doesn't occur on the PC due to the KBAM? Teleporting knifers, tubers, phantom harriers?

Senshi

oh god this entire discussion was had on the basis of a misunderstanding

sorry

but yeah, 80% we don't have to deal with. Tubers and witches are the 20% but even witches aren't really that big of a deal because they're so easy to kill with a mouse. Quickscoping isn't a problem, getting penetration kills is downright easy on PC (in fact it's a bit of a forte of mine), etc, etc.

Blops I hear is a clusterfuck no matter where you play it

0Replace4Displace

Domhnall wrote: »

I was talking about Blops. I thought you were too. Welp that's what I get for coming in halfway through a conversation. I do apologise.

edit: The only real difference, as far as I know, between the MW2 versions was the control scheme (unlike BLops which had servers). So...I'm still not really understanding the original comment... What are these 80% of problems which effect the console version that doesn't occur on the PC due to the KBAM? Teleporting knifers, tubers, phantom harriers?

The console players don't have a superiority complex.

BLOPS sucks. MW2 sucks but is occasionally fun.

Domhnall

Well, I'll be over here feeling silly. Let's not get into any console warz.

I hear that IW is having help develop this game, howaboutthathuh?

0Replace4Displace

I think the deal is that IW is single player and Sledgehammer is MP.

What this means is that they probably won't pay any attention to any suggestions, then slam out some broken unplayable entirely unbalanced game. A game that we will play for another year, bitch about continuously, then get excited for the next installment like a bunch of naive middle school girls looking for their next boyfriend, thinking "He'll be the one..."

Shady3011

IW isn't working on the multi? That's no good.

BlindPsychic

Well, technically speaking IW as we knew it isn't working on this at all.

Dashui

0Replace4Displace wrote: »

I think the deal is that IW is single player and Sledgehammer is MP.

WRONG!

Infinity Ward and Sledgehammer Games are co-developing the single-player portion, while Raven Software develops the game's multiplayer.

It's kind of sad Raven won't get any credit from the fans and media for the online portion of the game. I doubt many people even realize three studios are tasked with making Modern Warfare 3. Infinity Ward will probably get all the credit for the entire product. Sledgehammer and Raven aren't even listed on the front of the box.

Senshi

Sledgehammer was featured in the trailer at the end

Raven wasn't.

Dashui

Senshi wrote: »

Sledgehammer was featured in the trailer at the end

Raven wasn't.

Poor Raven Software. What I said wasn't false, though, if that's what you're implying. Raven has actually worked on Call of Duty multiplayer content before, but this time it appears they're given a larger role than just creating map packs. I'm sure Infinity Ward is dictating what they want and don't want, however.

Senshi

No, I was trying to say that they really aren't getting any credit, you're right

but with a name like raven software I can't blame activision for making that choice

BlindPsychic

When was the last time Raven software made a good FPS? Jedi Knight 2?

edit: Forgot JLA. That was pretty good.

Dashui

Senshi wrote: »

No, I was trying to say that they really aren't getting any credit, you're right

but with a name like raven software I can't blame activision for making that choice

Ah. Usually when I mention Raven is behind the multiplayer for MW3, they just go, "Huh? What?"

I actually like Raven's portfolio. They've been around for quite awhile (and are based in my state!) and I've enjoyed their games growing up. I just hope their recent layoffs last year haven't hurt them too much. They did create the Call of the Dead zombie map for Black Ops' Escalation map pack, though, so fingers crossed for them doing good work on Modern Warfare 3's multiplayer.

Shady3011

Singularity was alright. Still, you know what they say about too many chefs in the kitchen.

zllehs

Already know what my favorite multiplayer map will be...

THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN!

might as well be named THE BATTLE OF AWESOMENESS lol

Jaunty

So wait what other multiplayer shooters have raven made

Dashui

Jaunty wrote: »

So wait what other multiplayer shooters have raven made

Here's a list from wikipedia of their games:

Black Crypt (1992)
Shadowcaster (1993)
CyClones (1994)
Heretic (1994)
Heretic expansion pack: Shadow of the Serpent Riders (1994)
Hexen (1995)
Hexen expansion pack: Deathkings of the Dark Citadel (1996)
Necrodome (1996)
Mageslayer (1997)
Take No Prisoners (1997)
Hexen II (1997)
Hexen II: Portal of Praevus (1998)
Heretic II (1998)
Soldier of Fortune (2000)
Star Trek: Voyager – Elite Force (2000)
Star Trek: Voyager Elite Force: Virtual Voyager (2001)
Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (2002)
Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix (2002)
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy (2003)
X-Men Legends (2004)
X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse (2005)
Quake 4 (2005)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (2006)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
Wolfenstein (2009)
Singularity (2010)
Call of Duty: Black Ops DLC Call of the Dead (2011)[5][6]
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 multiplayer (2011)
Untitled James Bond Game (TBA)

0Replace4Displace

Sure is superhero games in there.

Senshi

Singularity

ohboyherewego.jpg

I have fond memories of Soldier of Fortune and Jedi Knight, although Jedi Knight basically amounted to "wait by cliff, force grip people off cliff"

Lind

I wonder how they will handle multiplayer in MW3 on the PC. Dedicated servers is pretty rad and all but it sucks balls when trying to play with a couple of friends and constantly ending up on the wrong team thanks to autobalancing if there even is room on the server for everyone.

I actually hope the party system from MW2 still is in the game.

Senshi

Lind wrote: »

I wonder how they will handle multiplayer in MW3 on the PC. Dedicated servers is pretty rad and all but it sucks balls when trying to play with a couple of friends and constantly ending up on the wrong team thanks to autobalancing if there even is room on the server for everyone.

I actually hope the party system from MW2 still is in the game.

whoa there bucko, hold your horses

think about what you're saying

think long and hard

Lind

I know... but its just so darn simple and easy to get 4-5 friends together, form a party and hit the play button instead of playing whack a mole on a server browser screen. The best would be some combination of the 2 worlds of course.

Jaunty

if we get anything on PC where I have to wait five minutes before randomly being able to join a game and still having no real guarantee that the game I join will be playable instead of just being able to hit a button and seeing a beautiful, sexy list of games I can join with little numbers beside them telling me exactly how responsive my game will feel when I join them I am holding you personally responsible

mosssnack

I tend to agree with that. Finding a decent server to play blops on was frustrating at best for me. Anything that was <100 ping and not some bullshit nuketown 24/7 was rare and usually always full. If I was back on the east coast that probably wouldn't have been an issue. MW2 was usually pretty quick to throw me in a game that I wanted to play.

However I do believe I may be in the minority on this stance.

Jaunty

I hate all of you

Willeth

Hey guys let's play MW2 360 so I can shield you all from marshmallows with my perspex screen

Dragkonias

0Replace4Displace wrote: »

What this means is that they probably won't pay any attention to any suggestions, then slam out some broken unplayable entirely unbalanced game. A game that we will play for another year, bitch about continuously, then get excited for the next installment like a bunch of naive middle school girls looking for their next boyfriend, thinking "He'll be the one..."

Pretty much.

mosssnack

I honestly hope the pc version has dedicated servers because if I was anywhere else I know that's what I would want. Besides, I've gotten rather proficient shooting mans on the xbox.

Jaunty

I never knew that servers could suck for people outside of the party-system, I've been East coast all my life and Quebec seems to love itself some shooters my ping is always from 30-50 when I want to find a game. See, the MW3 thread is teaching me empathy.

Musicool

You wanna know the advantage of consoles? When you go to the PA thread for a predominantly console game you don't have to endure post after mindnumbing post of specs, tech problems and comparisons of the deals from various retailers.

Game set match. 8-)

Spoiler: Although the above comes from a real pet peeve it is still a mostly loving jab at you PC dudes. It is not meant to be taken seriously.

Dragkonias

I just like that the CoD thread is mostly console people because I don't have to listen to those inane PC vs. console arguments that people can't seem to stop having because they really...really matter.

Musicool

That too. Mind you, the BC2 thread is fine that way for the equal and opposite reason (PC majority). It's the melting pot that does it.