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FoolproofFoolproof thats what my hearts becomein that place you dare not look staring back at youRegistered User regular
edited May 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
This guy, Tommy Schrader

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won a primary election for a city council seat while homeless but the Democrats got him ruled ineligible to run. Here is the way the local media covered the story.

http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/schrader-ill-see-you-in-court

I get the feelings this has to do with his earrings more than anything else. The day after the election reports on the local news brought up how they couldn't contact him at his listed address. I have never seen them run a story about a city council primary winner before that. All the attention they gave the story seemed fishy then and now it makes more sense.

I'm so pissed about my city politics lately. There was a contest to name the new courthouse and when the people decided to name it after Harry Baals they were overruled. Now they are resorting to court maneuvers to keep 'undesirables' out of the elections.

I hope this guy gets to run and wins. Failing that I hope he sues the hell out of this town or our democratic party.


So does everyone live in a town where democracy is just a sham or am I special?

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited May 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....
    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.
    He missed the deadline. If he has a legitimate reason as to why, then we can go further. Until then, there isn't much to go on. There's also the one-year residency issue. He could run in the next election regardless of his social status, he just didn't make the move early enough this year.

    I did enjoy this quote:
    he said he kept himself busy drinking beer and watching pornography.
    I find the honesty refreshing.

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  • FoolproofFoolproof thats what my hearts become in that place you dare not look staring back at youRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I meant to include that quote in the OP.:winky:

    I don't think a homeless person would have any campaign financing to declare. I'm not sure of the law but if you don't have any financing would you need to declare that?

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Foolproof wrote: »
    I meant to include that quote in the OP.:winky:

    I don't think a homeless person would have any campaign financing to declare. I'm not sure of the law but if you don't have any financing would you need to declare that?

    I would think so.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Pretty sure campaign finance law states you have to disclose your funding and where it comes from as the canidate. Now this isn't true for Super PACs and such. You also have to declare your personal income even if its zero and such as well.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

    I will bet you that if an establishment was late filing paperwork it would basically be ignored.

    In fact that's not even a prediction. It's a thing I am pretty sure has happened.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

    I will bet you that if an establishment was late filing paperwork it would basically be ignored.

    In fact that's not even a prediction. It's a thing I am pretty sure has happened.

    Ok but that doesn't make doing it legal.

    Just because OJ got off doesn't mean I'm ok to shoot someone.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

    I will bet you that if an establishment was late filing paperwork it would basically be ignored.

    In fact that's not even a prediction. It's a thing I am pretty sure has happened.

    Yup. McCain and Obama both missed the deadline in Texas by more than a bit, and Barr sued to have them thrown off the ballot. The judge threw out his suit without any explanation, and it ended there.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited May 2011
    There is still the residency issue, which is debatable.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

    I will bet you that if an establishment was late filing paperwork it would basically be ignored.

    In fact that's not even a prediction. It's a thing I am pretty sure has happened.

    Yup. McCain and Obama both missed the deadline in Texas by more than a bit, and Barr sued to have them thrown off the ballot. The judge threw out his suit without any explanation, and it ended there.

    It's kind of an appropriate cross-over with the other "Above the Law" thread currently on the front page, isn't it?

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    shryke wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

    I will bet you that if an establishment was late filing paperwork it would basically be ignored.

    In fact that's not even a prediction. It's a thing I am pretty sure has happened.

    Yup. McCain and Obama both missed the deadline in Texas by more than a bit, and Barr sued to have them thrown off the ballot. The judge threw out his suit without any explanation, and it ended there.

    It's kind of an appropriate cross-over with the other "Above the Law" thread currently on the front page, isn't it?

    This is where it gets sticky. It's easy to say that he violated the rules and thus should be ineligible, but it's arguably more important to be fair than to follow the rules in each discrete instance even if it leads to inequality against the small fries.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Cervetus wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

    I will bet you that if an establishment was late filing paperwork it would basically be ignored.

    In fact that's not even a prediction. It's a thing I am pretty sure has happened.

    Yup. McCain and Obama both missed the deadline in Texas by more than a bit, and Barr sued to have them thrown off the ballot. The judge threw out his suit without any explanation, and it ended there.

    It's kind of an appropriate cross-over with the other "Above the Law" thread currently on the front page, isn't it?

    This is where it gets sticky. It's easy to say that he violated the rules and thus should be ineligible, but it's arguably more important to be fair than to follow the rules in each discrete instance even if it leads to inequality against the small fries.

    I don't really care that much which way they fall on the issue as long as it's consistant.

    If he's a few days late with his paperwork, I don't think it's a big deal as long as it's in within a reasonable timeframe.

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    shryke wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

    I will bet you that if an establishment was late filing paperwork it would basically be ignored.

    In fact that's not even a prediction. It's a thing I am pretty sure has happened.

    Yup. McCain and Obama both missed the deadline in Texas by more than a bit, and Barr sued to have them thrown off the ballot. The judge threw out his suit without any explanation, and it ended there.

    It's kind of an appropriate cross-over with the other "Above the Law" thread currently on the front page, isn't it?

    This is where it gets sticky. It's easy to say that he violated the rules and thus should be ineligible, but it's arguably more important to be fair than to follow the rules in each discrete instance even if it leads to inequality against the small fries.

    I don't really care that much which way they fall on the issue as long as it's consistant.

    If he's a few days late with his paperwork, I don't think it's a big deal as long as it's in within a reasonable timeframe.

    Right, but my point is that a person might be consistent and say that a major candidate who files late shouldn't be on the ballot either, but the system will never go with that so it's better to fight for outsiders to stay on if they're late too and try to maintain a semblance of fairness.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    The presidential primary deadlines aren't really useful comparisons because frankly, they're kind of a mess. Texas' registration deadline, for example, passed before Obama or McCain had been officially nominated. Somebody makes a fuss about this every presidential primary year because one state or another has a filing deadline in april or something ridiculous, and the courts tell that person "the legislature didn't intend to keep major party candidates off the ballot, thanks." IIRC most state laws have exceptions for this exact circumstance, generally for parties whose candidates have previous received some minimum percentage of the vote.

    This is pretty much completely different from (usually nonpartisan) local races, where candidates aren't waiting on a drawn out nomination process to decide that they'd like to run and to file their campaign documents.

    ed: to wit:
    Texas Secretary of State spokesperson Ashley Burton said that upon further checking, "Both parties filed before the deadline. We expect their amended filings after both parties finish their nominating process at the conventions." Texas law, changed in 2005, requires that the parties submit their candidates names 70 days before the election. Problem is, neither party has gotten through their nominating process. The Texas Republican Party listed John McCain and "running mate" as their candidates, with an amended certification after the GOP convention in St. Paul. Obama and Biden will be certified after the Democratic Convention.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Also, reading the rest of that article, the guy was living in Green Bay Wisconsin on the day of the election and for months prior, was registered to vote in Wisconsin, and only returned to Fort Wayne upon learning he'd won the primary?

    One wonders if he was also running for city council in green bay

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    After his success, neither the Democratic Party nor the Allen County Election board had been able to reach Schrader by mail or phone. He had also missed the deadline to file his campaign finance reports.

    I mean I don't see how this is any great hit on democracy....

    A de facto ban on a social classes ability to take part in democracy is a pretty big failing.

    Yet things like campaign finance reports are still important and need to be done appropriately.

    I will bet you that if an establishment was late filing paperwork it would basically be ignored.

    In fact that's not even a prediction. It's a thing I am pretty sure has happened.

    Not always - there's a scandal with NJ not filing for federal funding on time currently.

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