you may be able to answer this question, the theatre I'm going to see Avengers in has two (well 3 but I know what the last one is) options for watching it. RealD 3D or IMAX 3D. What the hell is the difference? (for the record the third choice is digital cinema which I assume is just normal 2d on a digital projector)
ok that was fairly simple. The only reason I'm going there is because of the huge screen so that makes it easier. Also because it's 15 minutes from the zoo I'm going to... I consider this a fairly awesome saturday.
... This is what comic book fans have been begging for from their film adaptations for years; just scene after scene of übermenschen punching things into other things.
Every summer blockbuster for twenty years is proof that desire is not limited to comics fans (Whether comics fans want that as a group is a different story). If it was just comics fans, Avengers wouldn't make ten million bucks.
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He's right, though. So many comic movies waste all kinds of time butchering storylines (and origins), they forget to show all the punching. That's all we want, is Cap to throw shields at people, Hulk to smash things, and everyone else to pew pew or break things. Don't waste my time telling me why they're doing it.
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I DO want a little bit more character development..
Don't get me wrong, I'm not like these annoying hipsters who think every goddamn comic book movie has to be a Dark Knight, but at the same time I don't want these movies to end up like the Bayformers movies
I just want the general audience to feel for these characters the same way we have for years
He's right, though. So many comic movies waste all kinds of time butchering storylines (and origins), they forget to show all the punching. That's all we want, is Cap to throw shields at people, Hulk to smash things, and everyone else to pew pew or break things. Don't waste my time telling me why they're doing it.
They have to. The public don't know their origins, with a few exceptions (Spider-man, Superman, Batman). That said, it's important for the movies to balance characterization with good fight scenes. Without the former the latter becomes meaningless when viewers aren't able to connect with the characters.
He's right, though. So many comic movies waste all kinds of time butchering storylines (and origins), they forget to show all the punching. That's all we want, is Cap to throw shields at people, Hulk to smash things, and everyone else to pew pew or break things. Don't waste my time telling me why they're doing it.
They have to. The public don't know their origins, with a few exceptions (Spider-man, Superman, Batman). That said, it's important for the movies to balance characterization with good fight scenes. Without the former the latter becomes meaningless when viewers aren't able to connect with the characters.
The origins aren't important. Black Widow kicked some ass in Iron Man, but did they explain where she came from? Nope, they just presented her as an agent of SHIELD (also an unexplained origin), and throw some bad guys at her. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm fairly certain they don't go into a long, drawn out origin of Hawkeye, either. I must sound like a broken record, but there are decades of comics and other media that explains all kinds of stuff about where heroes come from. The average movie goer doesn't want to read? Fuck em. If they can shit up the best seller list with Twilight, Harry Potter, and Hunger Games books, they can read a 30 page comic book.
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Hawkeye and Black Widow don't have complicated origins and aren't the stars of the film
you don't need to explain where she came from because she is just a skilled secret agent. Those have been in films forever, people know what is going on.
You do however have to explain why there is a God of Thunder running around on Earth, or why Hulk is a big green ragemonster, or how Tony Stark has a hyper advanced robosuit.
He's right, though. So many comic movies waste all kinds of time butchering storylines (and origins), they forget to show all the punching. That's all we want, is Cap to throw shields at people, Hulk to smash things, and everyone else to pew pew or break things. Don't waste my time telling me why they're doing it.
They have to. The public don't know their origins, with a few exceptions (Spider-man, Superman, Batman). That said, it's important for the movies to balance characterization with good fight scenes. Without the former the latter becomes meaningless when viewers aren't able to connect with the characters.
The origins aren't important. Black Widow kicked some ass in Iron Man, but did they explain where she came from? Nope, they just presented her as an agent of SHIELD (also an unexplained origin), and throw some bad guys at her. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm fairly certain they don't go into a long, drawn out origin of Hawkeye, either. I must sound like a broken record, but there are decades of comics and other media that explains all kinds of stuff about where heroes come from. The average movie goer doesn't want to read? Fuck em. If they can shit up the best seller list with Twilight, Harry Potter, and Hunger Games books, they can read a 30 page comic book.
The difference is it wasn't their movie. They only had bit parts in Thor and Iron Man 2 then were in an ensemble cast for Avengers (which was an origin story for the team not individual members). Were they to get solo movies you can bet on their origins being shown or to become relevant to the plot. Origins are dealt with in more than just films, it's on tv shows and novels as well. This makes it easier for the public or new readers/viewers to get acquainted with the main characters. Novels are a much better way to get the public interested, as well. Even if they can find a comic store or buy something online some people just get confused with how to read it and give up. IIRC this happened to Heath Ledger when he was researching Joker.
I mean, "super-skilled secret agent" pretty much is an origin story.
Not all the time. Sure you've got Mission: Impossible and James Bond (though Casino Royale is sort of Bond's origin being his first mission as a Double 0), but there's also Burn Notice and Alias which delved into the main characters origins after setting their "new origins" post-super spy in the pilots.
I'm saying that if you've got a guy who knows a lot of weird things (from gun-fighting to lock-picking) and has some tech gadgets, and someone says "what's this guy's deal, where did he get all that?", you can say "Oh, he's a secret agent", and that will probably be enough. Just like how in the Marvel U, if someone says "How is that guy able to shoot burning bees out of his fingertips?", you can just say "Oh, he's a mutant", and that will just about cover it.
Certainly, a good secret agent character is deeper and has more motivations than just "he's a secret agent". That being said, "secret agent" is enough to give you a starting point. It will probably cover most questions about the origin story, and you can fill in any relevant and unique bits later on. Secret agents are better integrated into pop culture than guys who built complicated suits of battle-armor in a cave, so you can just drop the former in, but you will probably need to explain the latter a bit more.
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This discussion made me realize that even as a lifelong comics fan, I'm not 100% clear on what Hawkeye's origin is anyway. I mean, all I know is:
1) he started off as a criminal/villain, fighting ... Iron Man, I think?
2) he was trained by the Swordsman ... which doesn't make a lot of sense, but okay.
3) At some point he rehabilitates and becomes part of Captain America's team of Avengers.
Even as someone who read about 4/5ths of the West Coast Avengers books, that's about it. And unlike some other heroes, it really doesn't seem to matter to much to my enjoyment of the character. I think the "secret agent" thing is just about spot on. You don't really need to know much about Hawkeye other than "he shoots a bow really, really well."
The other important thing to know about Hawkeye is that when he was a teenager, he ran away and joined the circus, which is where he spent his young adulthood learning to be a trick archer.
I'm saying that if you've got a guy who knows a lot of weird things (from gun-fighting to lock-picking) and has some tech gadgets, and someone says "what's this guy's deal, where did he get all that?", you can say "Oh, he's a secret agent", and that will probably be enough. Just like how in the Marvel U, if someone says "How is that guy able to shoot burning bees out of his fingertips?", you can just say "Oh, he's a mutant", and that will just about cover it.
Certainly, a good secret agent character is deeper and has more motivations than just "he's a secret agent". That being said, "secret agent" is enough to give you a starting point. It will probably cover most questions about the origin story, and you can fill in any relevant and unique bits later on. Secret agents are better integrated into pop culture than guys who built complicated suits of battle-armor in a cave, so you can just drop the former in, but you will probably need to explain the latter a bit more.
He's right, though. So many comic movies waste all kinds of time butchering storylines (and origins), they forget to show all the punching. That's all we want, is Cap to throw shields at people, Hulk to smash things, and everyone else to pew pew or break things. Don't waste my time telling me why they're doing it.
They have to. The public don't know their origins, with a few exceptions (Spider-man, Superman, Batman). That said, it's important for the movies to balance characterization with good fight scenes. Without the former the latter becomes meaningless when viewers aren't able to connect with the characters.
The origins aren't important. Black Widow kicked some ass in Iron Man, but did they explain where she came from? Nope, they just presented her as an agent of SHIELD (also an unexplained origin), and throw some bad guys at her. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm fairly certain they don't go into a long, drawn out origin of Hawkeye, either. I must sound like a broken record, but there are decades of comics and other media that explains all kinds of stuff about where heroes come from. The average movie goer doesn't want to read? Fuck em. If they can shit up the best seller list with Twilight, Harry Potter, and Hunger Games books, they can read a 30 page comic book.
never put those three titles with twilight ever again
I liked the trailer actually, and that's largely because they're not playing the origin angle. It'd be nice if that was how the movie really was, but everything else they shown points that won't be the case.
Just got back from the Avengers. It's excellent. Every character gets a chance to shine, including Black Widow and Hawkeye. The action is wonderful, it's hilarious, and everyone in it is just about perfectly cast. It's probably the perfect summer blockbuster. Take that as you will.
And I like Ruffalo in the part better than Bana and Norton. He's great.
Avengers was great. It felt like wall to the wall fanservice...which might have been a little too much fanservice...but it was a wonderful ride nonetheless
I waited four years for this movie, four years of building it up in my own head and dreading the possibility it might disappoint me in a way that any movie can. Now that all my expectations have been exceeded by Avengers I honestly don't know what to do with myself.
I think my movie cynicism is cured guys!
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This is exactly my opinion about the Nolan films to a T, as well. I don't consider TDK a super-hero movie, more of an anti-superhero movie.
Batman Begins wasn't as bleak though.
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Link to an article with screencap of the second post-credit scene I already told you about.
I checked when Hensler said. He has co-writer credit.
Fair enough.
I imagine it is a mixture of other people fixing his work to make it better and studios interfering to make it worse.
No one should have credits on both "Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD" and "The Dark Knight"
He seems like a real goofball
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not like these annoying hipsters who think every goddamn comic book movie has to be a Dark Knight, but at the same time I don't want these movies to end up like the Bayformers movies
I just want the general audience to feel for these characters the same way we have for years
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They have to. The public don't know their origins, with a few exceptions (Spider-man, Superman, Batman). That said, it's important for the movies to balance characterization with good fight scenes. Without the former the latter becomes meaningless when viewers aren't able to connect with the characters.
Whereas the others (as much as I most other fans) didn't really.
I actually saw a couple walk out of TFA
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That train fight is still one of my favorite action scenes in any super hero movie.
The origins aren't important. Black Widow kicked some ass in Iron Man, but did they explain where she came from? Nope, they just presented her as an agent of SHIELD (also an unexplained origin), and throw some bad guys at her. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm fairly certain they don't go into a long, drawn out origin of Hawkeye, either. I must sound like a broken record, but there are decades of comics and other media that explains all kinds of stuff about where heroes come from. The average movie goer doesn't want to read? Fuck em. If they can shit up the best seller list with Twilight, Harry Potter, and Hunger Games books, they can read a 30 page comic book.
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Hawkeye and Black Widow don't have complicated origins and aren't the stars of the film
you don't need to explain where she came from because she is just a skilled secret agent. Those have been in films forever, people know what is going on.
You do however have to explain why there is a God of Thunder running around on Earth, or why Hulk is a big green ragemonster, or how Tony Stark has a hyper advanced robosuit.
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
The difference is it wasn't their movie. They only had bit parts in Thor and Iron Man 2 then were in an ensemble cast for Avengers (which was an origin story for the team not individual members). Were they to get solo movies you can bet on their origins being shown or to become relevant to the plot. Origins are dealt with in more than just films, it's on tv shows and novels as well. This makes it easier for the public or new readers/viewers to get acquainted with the main characters. Novels are a much better way to get the public interested, as well. Even if they can find a comic store or buy something online some people just get confused with how to read it and give up. IIRC this happened to Heath Ledger when he was researching Joker.
Not all the time. Sure you've got Mission: Impossible and James Bond (though Casino Royale is sort of Bond's origin being his first mission as a Double 0), but there's also Burn Notice and Alias which delved into the main characters origins after setting their "new origins" post-super spy in the pilots.
Certainly, a good secret agent character is deeper and has more motivations than just "he's a secret agent". That being said, "secret agent" is enough to give you a starting point. It will probably cover most questions about the origin story, and you can fill in any relevant and unique bits later on. Secret agents are better integrated into pop culture than guys who built complicated suits of battle-armor in a cave, so you can just drop the former in, but you will probably need to explain the latter a bit more.
1) he started off as a criminal/villain, fighting ... Iron Man, I think?
2) he was trained by the Swordsman ... which doesn't make a lot of sense, but okay.
3) At some point he rehabilitates and becomes part of Captain America's team of Avengers.
Even as someone who read about 4/5ths of the West Coast Avengers books, that's about it. And unlike some other heroes, it really doesn't seem to matter to much to my enjoyment of the character. I think the "secret agent" thing is just about spot on. You don't really need to know much about Hawkeye other than "he shoots a bow really, really well."
True.
It feels to me like an inverse Raimi situation, where Spidey himself feels right, but Peter just seems off.
Always up for some Spidey
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I liked the trailer actually, and that's largely because they're not playing the origin angle. It'd be nice if that was how the movie really was, but everything else they shown points that won't be the case.
And I like Ruffalo in the part better than Bana and Norton. He's great.
I think my movie cynicism is cured guys!