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Ants? Ants!!

FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night manChampion of the sunRegistered User regular
edited May 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
For the past few days I've started to see ants on the main level of our house. It's been raining for about a week solid, so I figured maybe a few came in because of that. Today, I noticed it has gotten much worse. I can look in the main hall closet and see maybe 20 or so of them crawling around the shoes and out under the area rug there. I'll spray some cleaner and wipe them up, but more will be back an hour later.

I also noticed several milling about the corner of the cupboards where the sink is, along the floor tile. I opened the cupboards and looked under there, and sure enough there were several there.

Other than that, they seem to be randomly speckled throughout the house.

There is no food lying around or anything like that. Whenever I see them, they're not carrying anything and they're not swarming anything. It's almost like they're just roaming around in a general area. They try to scatter when I come over to wipe them up. Buggers.

Aside from putting a couple of those little round cylinder traps around in key places, what can I do here? Put some caulking around doors and windows where I see any gaps? Any other key places to look?

Technically, a savvy group of ants could just go up into the dryer vent outside and crawl into the ceiling downstairs, thus giving access to the floor in the kitchen. I wouldn't put it past them.

As a last resort, I think calling an exterminator would be a bit tricky, since "pest control" is covered under our condo fee. So, although I wouldn't be out of pocket, it'd be a bit of a song and dance and I'd rather handle this myself if at all possible.

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  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I stomp on the ones I see assuming the other ants will smell their fear and stay away.

    But if that doesn't work, you should try lining areas where you see them with boric acid.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    oldsak wrote: »
    I stomp on the ones I see assuming the other ants will smell their fear and stay away.

    But if that doesn't work, you should try lining areas where you see them with boric acid.

    I forgot to mention I have a cat, so I can't use anything that she can get at.

    Also, I read that ants are attracted to the smell of other dead ants, because they want to carry away the carcass. So, going on a killing spree just attracts more fucking ants. I don't know how true that is.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    We had this problem. The only thing that worked as ant baits, but we also didn't have a cat at the time. My fiancee tried all the old wives tale methods, like spraying vinegar where they enter.

    Motherfuckers loved the vinegar.

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  • RainbulimicRainbulimic Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    If you know where they're getting in, try lining that area in talc, like around the door and on the walls. They don't like getting covered in the powder so they steer clear and its harmless enough to the cats. Its what I use and it seems to work (though I did end up with a lot of white paw prints on my carpet)

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  • RedDeliciousRedDelicious Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    If you can't use poison then just kill them. Ants (assuming they are ants and not a similarly-looking insect) work as a colony, so if you take out the ones who are foraging for food the rest of the population will nosedive.

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  • th3thirdmanth3thirdman Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    what I do is get 2inch masking tape and making a loop around my had sticky side out and use that to pick up every ant I can find. If you want to make the work more entertaining add some tape to your cats paws.

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  • Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I've used hairspray to blast a line of ants with good success. Try baiting the ants to go to another area, like pouring a cup of sugar in the far corner of your lawns.

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  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Figgy wrote: »
    oldsak wrote: »
    I stomp on the ones I see assuming the other ants will smell their fear and stay away.

    But if that doesn't work, you should try lining areas where you see them with boric acid.

    I forgot to mention I have a cat, so I can't use anything that she can get at.

    Also, I read that ants are attracted to the smell of other dead ants, because they want to carry away the carcass. So, going on a killing spree just attracts more fucking ants. I don't know how true that is.

    I believe it's pretty low in toxicity to cats and dogs, and it will probably be fine so long as you don't use it in areas where's she's likely to walk.

    If you're still concerned, you could try lining areas with diatomaceous earth instead.

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  • WildEEPWildEEP Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    To beat the ant, you must undersant the ant.

    Ants are just like any other creature out there trying to make their way - they don't understand the whole land of the giants thing...so figure out what they want. They want the mountain of food thats suddenly appeared in front of them.

    If your in suburbia, Dump a bag of sugar at the far extremes of your property.

    Give them a new mountain somewhere else. We started giving critters reasons to congregate away from our house and its worked surprisingly well.

    As for ridding your house of the colony - Hot water and bleach mixed together. Spray on liberally and scrub every surface - countertops, floors, inside cupboards, and especially the sink. The bleach won't kill them, but it erases the chemical trails they use to navigate. It essentially makes them deaf and blind all at the same time. Just wipe them up with a paper towel and you're all set. Keep applying the bleach spray to any surface they re-appear on. Eventually, with no navigation markers for an area, they simply move elsewhere.

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  • rockmonkeyrockmonkey Little RockRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Terro. Put it near where you think they are coming in. Leave if for a couple days. The fuckers will swarm that shit at first but eventually you won't see any more ants and you can pick it up and toss the it.

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  • jefe414jefe414 "My Other Drill Hole is a Teleporter" Mechagodzilla is Best GodzillaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I used combat ant traps. Pet safe. I put them in the two places where the ants seemed to congregate. In a few days/ almost a week I never saw them again.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    rockmonkey wrote: »
    Terro. Put it near where you think they are coming in. Leave if for a couple days. The fuckers will swarm that shit at first but eventually you won't see any more ants and you can pick it up and toss the it.


    Costs about $3 too

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Didn't see any Tarro traps at Home Depot. I grabbed a few of those red cylinder bait traps and a little bottle of the liquid variety. Squirted some liquid around the door frame, under the baseboard in the closet where they're most prominent, and a few other places. The traps, same deal.

    Now that I think back, I actually put down some large grain salt into a gap in the baseboard by the patio door the other day when we first saw a couple of ants in the kitchen. It seems that has prevented them from going into the kitchen, because there are very few in there. Now, they're mostly in the hall closet/foyer. That leads me to believe they're getting in through a gap somewhere in the patio door, crawling under the floor/tiles/between the hardwood and the hall closet is where they've "come up."

    I'll report back as to the success of these traps.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Xaquin wrote: »
    rockmonkey wrote: »
    Terro. Put it near where you think they are coming in. Leave if for a couple days. The fuckers will swarm that shit at first but eventually you won't see any more ants and you can pick it up and toss the it.


    Costs about $3 too

    Terro traps are like dropping a nuke on the ant colony only it kills them instead of turning them into giant fire-breathing monsters.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
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    So I moved a second trap into the closet because it's now clear this is their preferred point of entry. Despite how dire the situation looks here, there were only ever 1/4 of them before I put those traps down. They dig it.

    You can see where they are coming in though along the back wall where the baseboard is. On the other side of that wall is the garage, and I went in there today and cleaned up and examined the entire area--not a single ant in there. There was however a strange little hole where some drywall is built up off the regular garage wall and it creates a 2x2 sort of channel for maybe a foot and a half. Intended design, it seems, but it's odd. Hard to explain, but again I could not find a single ant in that area.

    I'm thinking they got through somewhere and have a colony in the floor or wall. Possibly close to that closet, since that's where I saw most of them scouting for food (even though there was nothing in there.)

    The traps say it will take 24-48 hours before an ant dies from exposure to the poison, so I'm hoping the colony will be dead by the end of the week. If not, I guess I start bothering the condo board. I don't like the idea of 1000 dead ants somewhere in my floors though

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  • KhoalaKhoala Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Often times its the dirty next door neighbors with an overabundance of ants. When it rains, they start scattering and exploring. I'm an OCD clean/organize type of person so my ant problems have never been due to food.

    I have found that ants are attracted to the crushed bodies of their brethren, and they carry them away. However, its been my experience that there is a limit to how many dead bodies they are willing to carry away before they forsake an area. I will look for an area where there is a lot of them and hover over them as I crush them with my bare fingers (probably necessary to leave my human scent?) and leave their corpses where they were crushed. I usually kill about 30 ants, and then leave for a few hours and come back to see if they dragged away the dead ones. If all the dead ants are gone, and they are still scouting the area, I repeat the ant slaughter again the same way. They usually stop after the second time. This method has worked 7 out of 8 times for me.

    There was this one time a colony of ants did not get my subtle hint. I tried the Terro Liquid Ant Bait for about 2-3 weeks without real success. They ate it and died immediately, but it didn't stop them from coming. It seems they were actually MORE of them by the time I gave up on that method. It was weird because it worked with the ants at my workplace. So I sprayed the edges of my apartment with Hot Shot's clear spray that will probably end up giving me cancer. I outlined the entire apartment with it, including windows, and wore gloves as I took a small cloth to rub it into the edges. I left the apartment for the whole day with the windows open to air it out. While it doesn't have a distinct smell, it will FEEL as if its slowly burning the insides of your nose. I hated using this, but it works and I never saw another ant (or spider, yay) in that place for the extra year I lived there.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Terro shockingly didn't work for me. People seem to like it, but I haven't gotten the nuke effectiveness from it. It did reduce the number, but I've still got ants. Maybe there's a megahive under my house, I wouldn't be surprised. Definitely gonna try that sugar thing, but I've also had success with Diatemaceous earth (Spelling?). It's pet safe and it physically kills ants (and fleas and other awful things) when they step on it. It microscopically cuts open their exoskeleton protection and they dry out and die. But for humans and pets it's totally safe. You can eat it! Just don't breathe it in, tiny particles bad for your lungs. I've had success using it in wall cracks and such to keep ants from coming in in those places.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Terro shockingly didn't work for me. People seem to like it, but I haven't gotten the nuke effectiveness from it. It did reduce the number, but I've still got ants. Maybe there's a megahive under my house, I wouldn't be surprised. Definitely gonna try that sugar thing, but I've also had success with Diatemaceous earth (Spelling?). It's pet safe and it physically kills ants (and fleas and other awful things) when they step on it. It microscopically cuts open their exoskeleton protection and they dry out and die. But for humans and pets it's totally safe. You can eat it! Just don't breathe it in, tiny particles bad for your lungs. I've had success using it in wall cracks and such to keep ants from coming in in those places.

    Something like that might work if you know where they're getting in exactly or if you're in an apartment.

    In an end-unit townhome (1800 sq feet + finished basement) there are just too many places they can get out of the floors/walls where they are maneuvering. I can't seem to find exactly where they're getting in, but I don't see how I could ever track that down. There are so many tiny holes in a house's exterior. For starters, how could you stop them just crawling into the weeping holes in the bricks?

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  • TerraTerra Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I had a really bad infestation this past winter and Terro didn't work. After two weeks of little sleep and food, I finally lost it and bought a chemical spray: Home Defense Max.

    I sprayed where they were coming in, all around the doors, and even took some up to the neighbors. The stuff worked instantly. Haven't seen an ant indoors since. It's a neurotoxin that works on ants and spiders. You spray it directly on them for insta-kill and make a line of it they can't cross without dying soon after. It's also dangerous to fish, so if you decide to use it, keep that in mind.

    Supposedly it's safe for mammals. I still wash my hands thoroughly and leave home for a couple hours after use. It smells, but it's not necessarily noxious.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Terra wrote: »
    I had a really bad infestation this past winter and Terro didn't work. After two weeks of little sleep and food, I finally lost it and bought a chemical spray: Home Defense Max.

    I sprayed where they were coming in, all around the doors, and even took some up to the neighbors. The stuff worked instantly. Haven't seen an ant indoors since. It's a neurotoxin that works on ants and spiders. You spray it directly on them for insta-kill and make a line of it they can't cross without dying soon after. It's also dangerous to fish, so if you decide to use it, keep that in mind.

    Supposedly it's safe for mammals. I still wash my hands thoroughly and leave home for a couple hours after use. It smells, but it's not necessarily noxious.

    I think I saw a bottle of that when I was at Home Depot. I'll keep that in mind if my current plan of attack fails. So far, the amount of ants seems to be decreasing.

    My fear with spraying a deterrent is that if they're indeed nesting somewhere in the house, they'll just keep popping up in random spots while I keep spraying each new crevice they find to escape their lair.

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  • shutzshutz Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Just get the same kind of ant poison that's in ant traps: look for bottles that contain a mixture of boric acid (or borax) and sugar (corn sugar, or something similar.) I use one branded RAID, but what's important is the mix of boric acid and sugar.

    Whenever I find an area that is regularly traversed by ants, I take a small piece of cardboard (turns out the little boxes you get chewing gum in, such as Trident, etc.) then squirt some of the stuff into it, and then leave that lying around where the ants are sure to go past it.

    The box mostly serves to create a dark spot, because I've discovered that the ants tend to hide under things.

    What will happen then is that the ants will take the stuff, and bring it back to their queen, eventually killing the whole colony. The reason it does this is that the boric acid doesn't kill them immediately, giving them time to take it back.

    So all you have to do is tolerate the ants for a few days, after which they'll stop bothering you.

    You can also make certain areas off-limits, forcing the ants into only certain parts of your house/appartment by spreading some diatomaceous earth. It's a white powder that looks like talc, but to the ants, it's like broken glass, which will shred their exoskeletons, leaving the fragile flesh inside to be exposed, and eventually dry out. The ants will usually avoid this, and go around. It's not a solution in itself, but it can prevent an infestation from spreading, and control the areas where ants can be found.

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  • ApogeeApogee Lancks In Every Game Ever Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Just wanted to second Shutz. My cottage had a massive ant infestation in the kitchen once, and we used the borax juice on scraps of wax paper. Bastards slurped it up for a good week, bringing it home - then one day, none came out at all. Magic.

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