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[Gay Rights] Gays Ran The Holocaust. No, really.
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It sounds like your problem is with the concept of free speech. If they fly the confederate flag, we'll criticize them for supporting bigotry and advocate bombing the institution flying a rebel flag, but won't say that they don't have the right to put up a flag.
No the problem is the idea that this will let Government (if they are) institutions put up flags and other things that will back any political agenda when they should remain pretty much neutral. The employees can say and support all they like but putting up a flag says the institution itself supports it and that can lead to bribes and lobbying and lots of other distasteful things.
Agreed.
This would accurately describe a problem if it was not a privately owned corporation, but it is so ...
It's "kind of" private. The Federal Reserve really skates a little too close to the public sector for my tastes. Flying the flag is poor judgment, imo.
Best to nip this tangent in the bud, unless you want to start another thread about the IRS and the Federal Reserve.
The first part of the bolded statement kind of contradicts the second part, no?
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They would be announcing their membership in a rebellion. That rebellion will be put down.
Like I said, I think that your argument and concerns will carry the day, if only because the Fed doesn't want to have to publicly point out that are privately owned, and therefore wouldn't fight a lawsuit (or even the realistic threat of a lawsuit) to force them to remove the flag.
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If people think the Federal Reserve is a government body and they see the building fly a flag with a political message, they might think the government is trying to push that message, no?
I mean, this is about an institution that is believed to be governmental using the confusion to potentially propagate political messages, no? When we talk about political message, It's more about the public's perceptions than reality.
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Those aren't rebellions, although the anarchist flag is skating close. The confederate flag has one meaning: rebellion against the United States in support of slavery. That's it.
That's why I say that even though this is a touching act of positivity and support toward a very beat-down group of people, likely the objectors will win this fight.
If you really want to confuse a conservative, don't partake in the pledge of allegiance and when they ask why tell them that as a Christian you can't.
Edit: Not that I think Mormons are any weirder than any other religious cult in which members surrender most of their self-determination and free-will, but all the other varieties of Christian Conservative I've met universally think that Mormons are weird, creepy even.
He called it a class 6 felony. And I was correct, the bank is flying the flag for Gay Pride Month, something other federal places do as well.
Doncha know.
The argument is that the Federal Reserve shouldn't fly "political" flags, but I guess political statements are okay when you agree with them.
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What are you talking about? He said it was a class six felony, of which the only charge that even remotely fits is for crimes against nature.
So flying a flag that supports equality is a crime against nature.
Well, i never saw a gay pride flag grow in nature, so I'd say he might be on to something.
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I guess joking around is pretty much proof that I'm always wrong, right?
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Yes it did which is why I moved this post:
It is a federally recognized month designation right? If so then the government really is doing nothing more than celebrating a officially designated special period not unlike Arbor Day, and the "supporting a political position" argument vanishes in a puff of smoke. If that turns out to be the case, then no need to worry about a KKK or Rebel Battle flag on government buildings because they will never get an officially designated celebration/recognition period.
Also, fuck this Marshall guy. Who cares what your sodomy law is, douche? It doesn't prove anything except you have dumb, unenforceable laws that are the epitome of governmental overreach, which you favor despite your professed desire to get the government out of people's affairs (you are a Republican - remember?). Sodomy laws outside of rape, sexual assault, and statutory rape are totally unenforceable in practical terms except when performed in public (which has its own existing laws) and are a clear violation of the privacy rights of citizens. This SCOTUS isn't really strong on privacy rights, but an earlier SCOTUS banned sodomy laws on those grounds (in Lawrence v Texas).
Equating a government institution recognizing a federally-appointed month of respect and deference to the contributions of LGBT individuals to the United States to a free-for-all where government institutions can fly religious, separatist, or racist flags is pretty stupid.
Unless you think black history month shouldn't be recognized either.
Great, yeah, again with the wild accusations.
Yeah, you're right. i am a racist prick and a homophobe and i also eat babies.
Again, I didn't say that it was my argument or even what my opinion on the whole thing was. People always assume crap for no reason when i point out the opposition's argument.
Also people who defend accused murderers are pro-murder and people who defend accused rapists are pro-rape.
Edit: I forgot to mention the 2nd and 4th lines are sarcastic. I don't really eat babies.
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I have absolutely no idea who or what you're talking about, and that post had absolutely nothing to do with you and was not in response to anything to you said.
Is there a flag for Black History month?
This post is funny.
(Because adytum didn't accuse you of anything, but you really did accuse him of calling you a rasict baby eater)
I'm not sure what was stupid about it. If old racist Virginian representative didn't want to be thought a fool, he shouldn't have opened his mouth and had it put in print for the world to ridicule.
As far as black history month, not that I know of, but there are federally-funded print/television/radio advertisements in addition to many schools having a specific curriculum that recognizes and addresses it.
Which goes a bit beyond an institution in a rinky-dink southern city flying a flag.
The part about you missing 21stCentury's use of sarcasm, then taking them to task, followed by 21stCentury's confusion was what I saw as silly, not your views and not yourself (read back and you'll find I agree with you). I can't speak for Magic Pink, but I believe that was what was being referred to as stupid in Magic Pink's post as well, not the actual arguments themselves, nor you or 21stCentury either.
I was referring mostly to your repeated and pathetic straw man arguments.
But no, feel free to keep proving me right.
You'd have to make a point to be proved right.
It's pretty absurd to assume that because a federal institution recognizes a federally-appointed month of, well, recognition , that suddenly they'll be able to fly whatever flag or back up whatever political message they want without prior approval.
If you have a problem with Obama recognizing LGBT month, then do your best to mobilize voters during the next election cycle so he won't be reelected. I'm sure whatever Republican that theoretically succeeds Obama will be happy to do away with it.
First they're flying flags, next they'll be bringing for their new Gay Order, and leading the Gaygenda will be instituting their ruler; a disabled minority transexual lesbian doctor that performs abortions and only uses pages of the Quran and Bible to wipe after taking a dump.
Can't you see? We're already half way there, and thus we must stop the flags!
No we do not.
Unless you're talking about some other special provision.
and this is a pretty disingenuous statement too