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OBL Really Just Died?
AnonyMoose7
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I am not into conspiracy theories much, btw.
But I've heard Benazir Bhutto, a former female prime minister of Pakistan who was assassinated in 2007, mention "the man who murdered Osama bin Laden" in an interview (@ appx 2:14).
And why was he 'buried at sea' within 24 hours of his death?
I'm not only NOT into conspiracy theories all that much, but lots of them annoy me. But still, when I heard this, I had to really question whether the claims of Osama bin Laden's death actually happened recently rather than years ago.
I know lots of people like to say, "we'll it was on the news, its just a fact, he's dead." And that sounds all proper and normal, but honestly, not everything makes so much sense about this.
What say ye?
But I've heard Benazir Bhutto, a former female prime minister of Pakistan who was assassinated in 2007, mention "the man who murdered Osama bin Laden" in an interview (@ appx 2:14).
And why was he 'buried at sea' within 24 hours of his death?
I'm not only NOT into conspiracy theories all that much, but lots of them annoy me. But still, when I heard this, I had to really question whether the claims of Osama bin Laden's death actually happened recently rather than years ago.
I know lots of people like to say, "we'll it was on the news, its just a fact, he's dead." And that sounds all proper and normal, but honestly, not everything makes so much sense about this.
What say ye?
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"She just didn't know what the fuck she was talking about" would be my favored response.
The only way it could be a conspiracy is if they withheld the information until, say, very close to the 2012 elections. Which they didn't.
I'll go with the Mythbusters here and say it's "Plausible"
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Islamic custom, which where possible we honor because we are not at war with Islam and would like to stay there.
That and for the same reason the Hitler doesn't have a grave.
But if it was a conspiracy, why?
What point would this serve?
Hitler doesn't have a grave?
Well, there goes my vacation plans.
His body would have been a hot-potato of bullshit the US really didn't want to bother dealing with, so dumping him in the ocean is a nice and simple solution so the US can say "bodies gone now, fuck off".
And we're also to assume that Al-Qaeda is just playing along with the US version of what happened out of the goodness of their hearts?
And that's some clearly Tom Clancy shit that I highly doubt happens all that often in the real world. And if it does, then chances are someone in AQ would know Osama's dead long before an announcement was made.
Benazir Bhutto's assassination and that of her husband are actions I can get behind to be honest. The reasons that many people in Pakistan wanted them dead have never really been explained to the american people. Amongst other crimes they completely sold their own countrymen out to foreigners and in the end they got what traitors always deserve. If a politician in america committed the same crimes against my people then I'd support anyone brave enough to take them out. I wish people would at least realize that they are never given the true story about the things that happen in Pakistan.
no u see cuz al queda is just a cia front
Well by all accounts we've heard he was pretty much past his prime as a terrorist leader and was apparently slowly disintegrating in isolation or something like that. It wouldn't explain why so many press have said they were shown the pictures of his death and that they were pretty horrible (large hole in his head.) I'd imagine those would be difficult to fake and I sure as hell know that so many press wouldn't go along with it if pictures of some type didn't exist. The press has shown no compunctions about spreading misinformation about the current administration so if they had a chance I'm sure they'd seize on that instead of saying "Look dudes, this is like those high school drunk driving films, you don't want to see it, really."
I'm pretty sure that her husband is still alive. In fact, isn't he the current president of Pakistan?
As for their 'crimes', basically it's just corruption. Fairly massive corruption, to be sure, but still, pretty bland. No worse or no better than dozens of other leaders around the world. She was assassinated because various extremist groups are trying to destabilize Pakistan. They tried to assassinate Musharraf for the same reasons. (These groups are seperate from the seperatists that just want parts of Pakistan to break off).
It's entirely possible that the ISI was peripherally involved, of course. Mainly because politics and government Pakistan is a riddle wrapped in a mystery surrounded by a giant clusterfuck with nuclear weapons.
Also, Pakistan is still working with the US in the war on terror.
It could probably be said that the information we are freely given is another conspiracy in itself.
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Pretty sure that had the single most important event in the War on Terror transpired during the reign of the man whose largest political contribution was creating and defining the War on Terror, that event would have had international media fanfare no sooner than the instant it was verified.
Or we could believe that it did happen years ago, Bush didn't claim it as a huge victory and instead said "I've done enough, I think I'll let the next peace loving neocommie liberal hippy Yes-We-Can-Man take the credit," and that Bhutto was assassinated because she knew about the clever ploy, and that in the face of all the criticism of his policies and the accusations of wasting time and money without any tangible positive results he allowed the biggest "What I did was relevant" proof to just sit and rot in a filing cabinet for 3+ years. . .
Seriously. Anybody who thinks that, had Bin Laden actually been killed under the watch of the Bush Administration, that George W wouldn't have called an immediate press conference and started breakdancing on the deck of an aircraft carrier while a hundred loudspeakers blared Toby Keith and six hundred million dollars worth of fireworks filled the sky with a gigantic red white & blue phallus spurting "FREEEEEEDOM" all over the night sky, is doing some phenominally strong drugs.
The important thing is that he was never really important to begin with - he was a catalyst to launch a neoconservative mission to establish permanent American hegemonic power. A mission that has since failed, but there you go.
just give it time.
I have heard about some pretty dastardly stuff that goes beyond corruption. The thing that makes me distrust 'offical' reports is that you never hear any of the common rumors from Pakistan anywhere in the american media. They always just trot out the islamic extremism as a motivating factor.
What I've heard concerns the large numbers of 'mysterious' deaths that occurred among the military conscripts who were shanghia'd from separatist and impoverished regions of Pakistan. I've heard stories of very young and very poor conscripts basically locked in their bases for years and years while being forced to donate blood (for sale to drug companies) at an unhealthy rate. Lots of people lost family members who got drafted into the military and then disappeared forever. They are officially listed as deserters but none of them ever return home.
Now I can't sayif any of this happened but lots of what I've heard has the ring of truth to it. The way our press barely reports about how Chinese prisoners are executed for their kidneys to be sold to foreigners only makes me believe that more terrible things happen that don't get reported by our 'free' press. One one hand you have people willing to kill and die for the story they believe in and on the other you have a corporate media and government that lies about everything imaginable. If I had to pick a side I know which side I'd believe first.
Or she meant it in a slang way, like OBL was playing dominoes with someone and lost badly.
Also my litmus test for conspiracy theories is "is there a clear person with something to gain here?" And I don't see that in this case.
But people die in the name of stupid shit all the time. They become totally committed to their version of reality, and are very willing to die and kill for said delusions.
I can agree with all of that but if two groups of people are putting out conflicting information then I tend to believe the people who pay a price to say what they do over the people who are getting paid to tell the story they do. It is just common sense not to believe paid liars and that it is safe to assume that the people who disagree with them might be telling a truth or two.
Of course everyone is a liar in the information age but that doesn't mean you can't filter the bullshit a little bit.
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That was an astronaut.
Anyone want to try that with a Navy SEAL?
[Morgan Freeman]Good luck.[/Morgan Freeman]
The hole in this are large enough to drive a truck through.
The true mantra of a conspiracy theorist.
No.
This is dumb.
The truth almost never has anything at all to do with the wacko conspiracy theories. That's why they are wacko.
We did not kinda-fake the moon landing, the CIA did not sort-of plot 9/11, the earth is not kind of hollow, and Obama is not only one-quarter lizard person on his father's side.
Exactly what I was getting at. :^:
Bush and Cheney obviously saved it to boost Obama's presidency into a 2nd term because Skull & Bones and Illuminati...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS4C7bvHv2w
Paul Revere: Was he REALLY a patriot or the world's greatest double agent?
For fuck's sake
Waterboarding is not a secret Ultra Jitsu Move that we keep close tabs on so as to not drain our limited reserves of Mana.
It's just useless, bullshit fucking torture.
I cannot stand the continued assumption that when we reaaaallly mean it, we torture because it's very important to use your Strongest Technique.
Also, yes, that's a pretty silly and illogical argument construction you've got going on.
Excellent, now just tell me Kennedy's assassination was entirely a one-man job and we can put all the conspiracy silliness behind us once and for all.
the mantra of the conspiracy debunker
The bullet was not magic but Lee Harvey Oswald was a wizard.
...who was acting alone in the assassination of John F. Kennedy
any two people who plot to commit a crime are a conspiracy. I guess that conspiracies only happens rarely and only for small things and small amounts of money and never for large things or large amounts of money. I see your point that why would people bother to plan a crime for something grand.