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Loud engine and low oil - Simple cause and effect?
I was on my way to work, but didn't get very far before my engine suddenly went up a few decibels. It happened when I was idle, and is definitely coming from the front end, so it's not a muffler issue. I checked my oil to find it really low, though the oil light never turned on, and the check engine light hasn't come up either. I've read that low engine oil can lead to loud engine sounds, but my question is mainly, if I get the oil flushed and replaced, should the sound go away, or is it already indicative of a larger problem? As far as I can tell, other than the sound, the car runs fine. Accelerates at a normal pace, though I didn't dare try taking it over 20-25 or so, RPMs seem normal and all the other gauges on the dash read fine. I'm taking it in tomorrow, I just want to get a feel or the possible scenarios beforehand.
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Great ScottKing of Wishful ThinkingParagon City, RIRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
My initial thought is that the low oil is a effect and not a cause. Note that you have to be truly out of oil before the oil light will come on - if that light DOES come on, stop the engine immediately.
How recently have you changed your oil (miles or time)? Without more information it's tough to say what this could be.
Yes, more information would be needed. The easiest to get would be to add more oil and see if it gets quieter again.
Also, I'm pretty certain oil changes are supposed to be much more frequent than yours. For synthetic oil I think they recommend 4months/5000 miles.
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Great ScottKing of Wishful ThinkingParagon City, RIRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
It sounds to me like it's time for a oil change anyway - you could wait until after the change to see if the noise continues, or you could ask a mechanic to verify everything is OK at the same time. It depends on your budget and how much longer you will keep the car.
It's quite possible that a car that age with that many miles on it is burning (a little) oil - which means that you could run out at a bad time. I would check it every three months or so just to make sure it's at least at half full.
EDIT: What BlazeFire said. It really should be changed at least twice a year (many mechanics will state 3 months/3000 miles for non-synthetic motor oil).
I can't say much regarding the engine being loud, but typically you want to get an oil change around 3000 - 3500 miles (depends on how new your vehicle is. my 2010 Hyandai can go 6000 per the manual). Usually your car manual will give you an idea of how long you should wait.
Humorously enough, even before this happened I had made an appointment with my mechanic for tomorrow to get an oil change and tire rotation. I have the AAA coverage to get me there by towing anyway, just in case.
Just throwing my two cents in: My cars engine becomes noticeable louder when it's low on oil. It has a constant leak and every few months needs more oil. Quiets right down as soon as I get it filled up properly.
It's very much a direct correlation between the engine noise and oil level in my car.
Last oil change was about a year ago and 10k miles. Car's got 115k on it, 98 camry.
Woah! That's both too much time and miles. Get an oil change every 3-4 months or 4000 miles, whichever comes first.
There's no car made recently that needs oil changes that often. Check your owner's manual, but 7,500-10,000 miles is more in line with reality.
3,000 miles is outdated, but the oil change places still go by it because that's more money you're giving to them. The owners manual is what you should follow.
Last oil change was about a year ago and 10k miles. Car's got 115k on it, 98 camry.
Woah! That's both too much time and miles. Get an oil change every 3-4 months or 4000 miles, whichever comes first.
There's no car made recently that needs oil changes that often. Check your owner's manual, but 7,500-10,000 miles is more in line with reality.
3,000 miles is outdated, but the oil change places still go by it because that's more money you're giving to them. The owners manual is what you should follow.
Exactly. And changing the oil once a year isn't so bad either, as long as you're not operating in a really harsh environment. I'm glad most folks err on the cautious side of the oil-changing frequency, but it can be a bit overkill.
As for the OP, just try adding some oil and see if it goes away. It's not going to do any harm at this point. My initial thought is that your engine has hydraulic tappets that are going to make noise once your engine oil level is excessively low. Topping it up should fix it with no lasting harm.
Well I'm at the mechanic now getting the oil change (I thought of just adding some oil myself but decided I could use filter changes and an oil flush and a tire rotation too, basic tuneup stuff) and asked them to take a look at the exhaust as well, just in case. We'll see what comes of it
So, the problem has been resolved! For less than 50 dollars!
It did turn out to be an exhaust issue. A small piece had rusted off that allowed air to get in, thus causing the noise. They wanted to place the whole thing, 500 bucks all told. I said fuck that, and took it to a 2 man muffler shop down the road. They cut off the rusted bit, welded a new piece on, took about an hour, 50 bucks and the noise disappeared. Made me wish I'd went to them for my oil/tire rotation too, since I'm sure I could have got it cheaper there. On the plus side, I found a new great mechanic. On the downside, I didn't find out about them sooner.
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SpudgeWitty commentsgo next to this blue dot thingyRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
Glad you got it taken care of
But you really shouldn't run your car so low on oil. It takes a couple minutes to check your fluids, air filter and tire pressure. Try to do it once a week at least
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Last oil change was about a year ago and 10k miles. Car's got 115k on it, 98 camry.
Woah! That's both too much time and miles. Get an oil change every 3-4 months or 4000 miles, whichever comes first.
There's no car made recently that needs oil changes that often. Check your owner's manual, but 7,500-10,000 miles is more in line with reality.
I'm with Six. The old rules of thumb no longer apply. Even at 10k miles, odds are that your filter needs replacing more than the oil itself does (though you might as well do both at the same time).
Last oil change was about a year ago and 10k miles. Car's got 115k on it, 98 camry.
Woah! That's both too much time and miles. Get an oil change every 3-4 months or 4000 miles, whichever comes first.
There's no car made recently that needs oil changes that often. Check your owner's manual, but 7,500-10,000 miles is more in line with reality.
I'm with Six. The old rules of thumb no longer apply. Even at 10k miles, odds are that your filter needs replacing more than the oil itself does (though you might as well do both at the same time).
It very much depends on the vehicle. I say follow whatever the manufacturer recommends, be it 3k, 5k, 10k.
There are still vehicles that require a minimum of an oil top off every 3k miles, the RX-8 for instance.
Last time I got an oil change I got synthetic instead of petroleum based, which I thought was supposed to last longer? I was under the impression that the "3 month/3k miles" was a mantra that was repeated by automakers way back in the day because the oil degraded faster than what they put out now? It was more to prevent sludge than anything else, which is much less common in todays cars/ motor oils.
I'm not exactly sure how much the oil I got put in last time claimed to be good for, probably closer to 7k miles, so either way I was still overdue, but when I mentioned to the guy how long it'd been since my last oil change, he didn't see any sludge or warning signs of a damaged engine. So I guess under the circumstances of what it could have been, I ended up pretty lucky.
Not to get off subject but changing your own oil is criminally easy. For many cars it's a single bolt to drain the oil, changing the filter by hand (screw on/off) and then refilling the oil.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
changing your own oil is easy, but many other things that should be done for a regular service (tyre rotation, etc) are not unless you're experienced with the car, and the timing on oil changes tends to line up with regular servicing of a car anyway, so you might as well get it all done at once.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
Not to get off subject but changing your own oil is criminally easy. For many cars it's a single bolt to drain the oil, changing the filter by hand (screw on/off) and then refilling the oil.
The main problem is what to do with the oil after you've changed it. Oil changes are infrequent enough that the expense is worth the hassle.
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SixCaches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhexRegistered Userregular
Not to get off subject but changing your own oil is criminally easy. For many cars it's a single bolt to drain the oil, changing the filter by hand (screw on/off) and then refilling the oil.
The main problem is what to do with the oil after you've changed it. Oil changes are infrequent enough that the expense is worth the hassle.
I change mine outside of autozone or pep boys - wherever I buy the oil. They'll dispose of it for free for you. I also use an extractor so the old oil's in a nice container ready to go. The whole process takes 15 minutes and costs me the price of an oem filter kit ($12) and oil (about $40).
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
Not to get off subject but changing your own oil is criminally easy. For many cars it's a single bolt to drain the oil, changing the filter by hand (screw on/off) and then refilling the oil.
The main problem is what to do with the oil after you've changed it. Oil changes are infrequent enough that the expense is worth the hassle.
I change mine outside of autozone or pep boys - wherever I buy the oil. They'll dispose of it for free for you. I also use an extractor so the old oil's in a nice container ready to go. The whole process takes 15 minutes and costs me the price of an oem filter kit ($12) and oil (about $40).
Wow. I pay like $35 to have a shop do everything.
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SixCaches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhexRegistered Userregular
Not to get off subject but changing your own oil is criminally easy. For many cars it's a single bolt to drain the oil, changing the filter by hand (screw on/off) and then refilling the oil.
The main problem is what to do with the oil after you've changed it. Oil changes are infrequent enough that the expense is worth the hassle.
I change mine outside of autozone or pep boys - wherever I buy the oil. They'll dispose of it for free for you. I also use an extractor so the old oil's in a nice container ready to go. The whole process takes 15 minutes and costs me the price of an oem filter kit ($12) and oil (about $40).
Wow. I pay like $35 to have a shop do everything.
What kind of oil and filter are you getting for that price?
Edit: $35 for just the oil I'm using (Mobil 1 0w-40) would be a pretty great deal, let alone filter and labor.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
Uh... whatever is cheapest that the shop uses. Probably Quaker State or something similar, 10w-40.
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jefe414"My Other Drill Hole is a Teleporter"Mechagodzilla is Best GodzillaRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
Yeah the 3K miles thing was pretty much BS for the last 20+ years. Always check the owners manual (my Xterra needs it every 4K if the majority of use is HEAVY off road/4WD. otherwise, it's 7,500). You should be checking your oil every gas fill up. It takes a minute. Have you tried topping it off? Maybe you have a leak or something.
Changing your oil frequently never hurt anybody though, maybe your wallet (a bit) but it's never a bad idea to get your oil changed.
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L Ron HowardThe duckMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
In the US, any auto parts store will take the used oil off your hands when you're done, free of charge.
There are also some cities and counties that also do that. Where I live, there are two places in the city that the city takes care of to dump old, used oil. There's also a county site, and like four or 5 auto stores that will do it.
I don't know what kind of setup anyone has overseas, but in the US I'd say it's a non-issue.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
Funny this thread should happen, my car abruptly was low on oil the other day. I refilled it once I realized it, but the car was vibrating at 45-50 MPH on the way back. I pray it's not related.
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SpudgeWitty commentsgo next to this blue dot thingyRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
Yes most primary recycle centers also have a hazmat fluid center where you can drop off oil, coolant, tranny fluid, etc
You should know how to do these things yourself. Not only does it help you understand your vehicle(s) more, but (until we lose dependence on dinosaurs) you learn a valuable life skill
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How recently have you changed your oil (miles or time)? Without more information it's tough to say what this could be.
Also, I'm pretty certain oil changes are supposed to be much more frequent than yours. For synthetic oil I think they recommend 4months/5000 miles.
It's quite possible that a car that age with that many miles on it is burning (a little) oil - which means that you could run out at a bad time. I would check it every three months or so just to make sure it's at least at half full.
EDIT: What BlazeFire said. It really should be changed at least twice a year (many mechanics will state 3 months/3000 miles for non-synthetic motor oil).
It's very much a direct correlation between the engine noise and oil level in my car.
Woah! That's both too much time and miles. Get an oil change every 3-4 months or 4000 miles, whichever comes first.
As far as your engine sound, it can be nothing or it can be bad. Can't really tell unless we hear it, so good luck at the mechanic!
There's no car made recently that needs oil changes that often. Check your owner's manual, but 7,500-10,000 miles is more in line with reality.
3,000 miles is outdated, but the oil change places still go by it because that's more money you're giving to them. The owners manual is what you should follow.
Exactly. And changing the oil once a year isn't so bad either, as long as you're not operating in a really harsh environment. I'm glad most folks err on the cautious side of the oil-changing frequency, but it can be a bit overkill.
As for the OP, just try adding some oil and see if it goes away. It's not going to do any harm at this point. My initial thought is that your engine has hydraulic tappets that are going to make noise once your engine oil level is excessively low. Topping it up should fix it with no lasting harm.
It did turn out to be an exhaust issue. A small piece had rusted off that allowed air to get in, thus causing the noise. They wanted to place the whole thing, 500 bucks all told. I said fuck that, and took it to a 2 man muffler shop down the road. They cut off the rusted bit, welded a new piece on, took about an hour, 50 bucks and the noise disappeared. Made me wish I'd went to them for my oil/tire rotation too, since I'm sure I could have got it cheaper there. On the plus side, I found a new great mechanic. On the downside, I didn't find out about them sooner.
But you really shouldn't run your car so low on oil. It takes a couple minutes to check your fluids, air filter and tire pressure. Try to do it once a week at least
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Engine seized up. Car dead. Had to buy a new one.
Car was sort of a POS anyway. Lights on the dash went out so Im not sure if the oil light ever came up. But apprarently I was pretty much out of oil.
Dont let this happen to you. Get your oil changed frequently!
I'm with Six. The old rules of thumb no longer apply. Even at 10k miles, odds are that your filter needs replacing more than the oil itself does (though you might as well do both at the same time).
It very much depends on the vehicle. I say follow whatever the manufacturer recommends, be it 3k, 5k, 10k.
There are still vehicles that require a minimum of an oil top off every 3k miles, the RX-8 for instance.
I'm not exactly sure how much the oil I got put in last time claimed to be good for, probably closer to 7k miles, so either way I was still overdue, but when I mentioned to the guy how long it'd been since my last oil change, he didn't see any sludge or warning signs of a damaged engine. So I guess under the circumstances of what it could have been, I ended up pretty lucky.
The main problem is what to do with the oil after you've changed it. Oil changes are infrequent enough that the expense is worth the hassle.
I change mine outside of autozone or pep boys - wherever I buy the oil. They'll dispose of it for free for you. I also use an extractor so the old oil's in a nice container ready to go. The whole process takes 15 minutes and costs me the price of an oem filter kit ($12) and oil (about $40).
Wow. I pay like $35 to have a shop do everything.
What kind of oil and filter are you getting for that price?
Edit: $35 for just the oil I'm using (Mobil 1 0w-40) would be a pretty great deal, let alone filter and labor.
There are also some cities and counties that also do that. Where I live, there are two places in the city that the city takes care of to dump old, used oil. There's also a county site, and like four or 5 auto stores that will do it.
I don't know what kind of setup anyone has overseas, but in the US I'd say it's a non-issue.
You should know how to do these things yourself. Not only does it help you understand your vehicle(s) more, but (until we lose dependence on dinosaurs) you learn a valuable life skill
PSN - MicroChrist
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WordsWFriends - zeewoot