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Hot sauce

DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
edited June 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm looking for something extremely, extremely hot, but also flavorful. I'd like to avoid sauces with chili extract in them, if at all possible, because they tend to taste kinda nasty in my experience.

I was considering this Green Ghost stuff but after looking around it doesn't seem to come too highly recommended.

Suggestions for tasty and painful sauces? I'm aiming for at least 70,000 scovilles.

e: Meant 70,000.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    The hottest sauces I've had always have chile extract in their ingredients. If you want to avoid that you may be better off making some yourself (bhut jolokia or ghost pepper, other peppers, garlic/onion, salt, honey/agave nectar, vinegar to thin and preserve, and any additional spices).

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  • wonderpugwonderpug Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    This site has a lot of good listings, by heat level, and with recommendations:

    http://www.scottrobertsweb.com/scoville-scale.php

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    700,000 or 70,000? 700,000 is pretty ridiculously hot. You can get them over 700,000 but 70,000 is way, way beyond what your average person can tolerate.

    I had some variety of Mad Dog a few years back that I remember being pretty good. I don't remember if it was Mad Dog 357 or Mad Dog Inferno. There's a Mad Dog 357 Ghost that might be what you're looking for. I also had some barbecue a couple of weeks back that we mixed some Da Bomb Ground Zero into that I really liked.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I meant 70,000. But, you know, I guess also 700,000, since my friends eat habanero peppers like they're raisins.

    If I can prepare a sauce, then that could be fun. How might I actually do that?

    I basically just want to make (or buy) an incredibly hot sauce for burritos or nachos or whatever.Tabasco/jalapenos/typical grocery store hot sauce just doesn't really cut it. Especially for my friends.

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  • runethomasrunethomas Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Try anything from heidijosjerky.com
    The beyond sun melting is pretty unique, not your usual hot sauce. It's hot and tasty.
    They come up to the local Big E every year I always get jerky, and hot sauces.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited June 2011
    Friend of mine had a bottle of pure capsaicine. Was funny to see him with plastic gloves treating a teeny dropper bottle with great reverence when cooking. Can't remember how much he used for a big pot of chili, but that bottle lasted for years.

    I like Dave's Ultimate Insanity Sauce myself, but I think that's sub-70k scovilles.

    edit: no wait, my bad. The plain Insanity Sauce is 180k. The Ultimate Insanity Sauce is hotter.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I meant 70,000. But, you know, I guess also 700,000, since my friends eat habanero peppers like they're raisins.

    If I can prepare a sauce, then that could be fun. How might I actually do that?

    I basically just want to make (or buy) an incredibly hot sauce for burritos or nachos or whatever.Tabasco/jalapenos/typical grocery store hot sauce just doesn't really cut it. Especially for my friends.
    Yeah, then I stand by my recommendations above. I liked both of those. For grocery store brands you should look for El Yucateco, especially the green chili and the xxxtra hot kutbil-ik ones. They aren't anywhere near the heat of those high end boutique hot sauces, but they're still a whole lot hotter than the standard Tabasco and similar sauces. In the stores around here they keep them in the Hispanic food sections instead of the Tabasco/Texas Pete/Cholula section.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2011
    Predator Great White Shark is over 100,000. Jerry's Mustard Gas is over 100,000 and is really good with anything that goes good with mustard. TorchBearer has a great one that's around 70,000.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Secret Aardvark's regular habanero sauce out of Portland is amazing, if you can get it where you are. I know it's available in Washington, too.

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  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I'm a recent fan of Wicked Cactus. I like the Aliento de diablo, but I'm pretty sure anything with a ghost pepper is going to be very hot. Also Ghost of the Samurai is nice because it's a spicy teriyaki sauce, to go with the more asian dishes.

    edit - I took out the scoville rating because it's not listed anywhere and I'm terrible at guessing how hot things are. I've had a teaspoon of the Aliento de diablo and I was fine; but I also have a pretty high tolerance. So pretty hot, but not I wish I was dead hot.

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  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    700,000 or 70,000? 700,000 is pretty ridiculously hot. You can get them over 700,000 but 70,000 is way, way beyond what your average person can tolerate.

    I had some variety of Mad Dog a few years back that I remember being pretty good. I don't remember if it was Mad Dog 357 or Mad Dog Inferno. There's a Mad Dog 357 Ghost that might be what you're looking for. I also had some barbecue a couple of weeks back that we mixed some Da Bomb Ground Zero into that I really liked.

    I don't think 70,000 is way beyond the average person. Excluding people who think any level of hot is too much, I'd say the habanero is usually too hot, but cayenne pepper is not bad at all. If the habanero is around 200K, and the cayenne pepper is around 30K, I'd say around 70K is still very tolerable, but noticeably hot.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jebus314 wrote: »
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    700,000 or 70,000? 700,000 is pretty ridiculously hot. You can get them over 700,000 but 70,000 is way, way beyond what your average person can tolerate.

    I had some variety of Mad Dog a few years back that I remember being pretty good. I don't remember if it was Mad Dog 357 or Mad Dog Inferno. There's a Mad Dog 357 Ghost that might be what you're looking for. I also had some barbecue a couple of weeks back that we mixed some Da Bomb Ground Zero into that I really liked.

    I don't think 70,000 is way beyond the average person. Excluding people who think any level of hot is too much, I'd say the habanero is usually too hot, but cayenne pepper is not bad at all. If the habanero is around 200K, and the cayenne pepper is around 30K, I'd say around 70K is still very tolerable, but noticeably hot.
    Most people think a jalapeno is really hot. An average jalapeno is something like 4k-6k. I've never met anyone who enjoys the heat of a cayenne pepper other than other people who eat real hot sauces. Your average popular hot sauce among normal folk is around 1k-3k. I'm sure it varies depending on where you live, my understanding is that out in the southwest US, people eating truly hot foods is way more common than the east coast or midwest.

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  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    Most people think a jalapeno is really hot. An average jalapeno is something like 4k-6k. I've never met anyone who enjoys the heat of a cayenne pepper other than other people who eat real hot sauces. Your average popular hot sauce among normal folk is around 1k-3k. I'm sure it varies depending on where you live, my understanding is that out in the southwest US, people eating truly hot foods is way more common than the east coast or midwest.

    Hmm, I guess I'll just say that maybe it does vary regionally. I'm from oregon, but I can't think of anyone who thinks a jalapeno is really hot. There's certainly people who flat out don't like things hot at all, but most people I know wouldn't think twice about eating jalapenos.

    That being said, I was thinking of jalapenos, not cayanne peppers; so 70,000 is probably pretty hot for most people.

    It's also going to depend on how much sauce you want to use. Nobody is going to drench their nacho's in a 500,000+ sauce. I like using really really hot sauces as a dipping sauce, but if your looking for something to use as the main sauce for cooking taco meat, or something like that, then something much less will go a long way.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Secret Aardvark's regular habanero sauce out of Portland is amazing, if you can get it where you are. I know it's available in Washington, too.

    They sell it at the pizza place catty-corner from my apartment. That reminds me that I need to grab some.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jebus314 wrote: »
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    Most people think a jalapeno is really hot. An average jalapeno is something like 4k-6k. I've never met anyone who enjoys the heat of a cayenne pepper other than other people who eat real hot sauces. Your average popular hot sauce among normal folk is around 1k-3k. I'm sure it varies depending on where you live, my understanding is that out in the southwest US, people eating truly hot foods is way more common than the east coast or midwest.

    Hmm, I guess I'll just say that maybe it does vary regionally. I'm from oregon, but I can't think of anyone who thinks a jalapeno is really hot. There's certainly people who flat out don't like things hot at all, but most people I know wouldn't think twice about eating jalapenos.

    That being said, I was thinking of jalapenos, not cayanne peppers; so 70,000 is probably pretty hot for most people.

    It's also going to depend on how much sauce you want to use. Nobody is going to drench their nacho's in a 500,000+ sauce. I like using really really hot sauces as a dipping sauce, but if your looking for something to use as the main sauce for cooking taco meat, or something like that, then something much less will go a long way.

    Huh, interesting. Out here in Virginia most people start sucking down the first thing they can find to drink if they eat a jalapeno and top out with a few drops of Tabasco for hot sauces. Those El Yucateco sauces I recommended for normal grocery store brands are something like 8k-10k. One of Mexican restaurants here has them on the table and whenever I go with groups of people the "I like a little bit of spice" people can't deal with them. It was pretty much the same back when I lived in Iowa.

    It's not too surprising, though. You see it with Indian, Thai, and Mexican foods all the time, or at least hear about it - the restaurants around here don't serve the fabled "really hot" stuff. I've been warned to be careful with the Sriracha at restaurants here.

    Oh well, enough de-railing this here thread, eh?

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jebus, that's exactly what I'm looking for: A super hot dipping sauce.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2011
    Also, if it comes down to it, Buffalo Wild Wings has probably the hottest you can get at a restaurant. It's hot but tolerable. The restaurants probably sell bottles of the stuff.

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  • Namel3ssNamel3ss Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Secret Aardvark's regular habanero sauce out of Portland is amazing, if you can get it where you are. I know it's available in Washington, too.

    I came into this thread to recommend http://www.secretaardvark.com/

    This stuff is amazing; not quite as hot as you are looking for, but it is so good.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    I've been warned to be careful with the Sriracha at restaurants here.
    ?
    Does that vary by region, because I have a tendency to use it in a capacity similar to ketchup.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Just got back from the corner pizza place with the Aardvark. Can't wait to toss it on some burritos later.
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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    I've been warned to be careful with the Sriracha at restaurants here.
    ?
    Does that vary by region, because I have a tendency to use it in a capacity similar to ketchup.
    Yeah, the regional difference in what is considered way too hot is what we were discussing. Apparently I've just lived in regions full of sissies.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wait, that chart lists Tobasco and Cholula as hotter than Sriracha? I can use those all day but Sriracha burns the fuck out of my mouth in quantity.

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  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Maybe it's because the Sriracha is all goopy so you usually use a larger volume of it, while the Tabasco comes out dripwise.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Esh wrote: »
    Wait, that chart lists Tobasco and Cholula as hotter than Sriracha? I can use those all day but Sriracha burns the fuck out of my mouth in quantity.

    Yeah, I'm not sure that chart is completely accurate. I always found Sriracha to be much hotter than Tabasco and Cholula, too. It also lists regular Dave's Insanity Sauce as 180k, but I'm pretty sure I looked it up when I first started taking an interest in the boutique hot sauces and it was estimated at closer to 80k. Most of it seems close enough as far as I can tell, though.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Wait, that chart lists Tobasco and Cholula as hotter than Sriracha? I can use those all day but Sriracha burns the fuck out of my mouth in quantity.

    Yeah, I'm not sure that chart is completely accurate. I always found Sriracha to be much hotter than Tabasco and Cholula, too. It also lists regular Dave's Insanity Sauce as 180k, but I'm pretty sure I looked it up when I first started taking an interest in the boutique hot sauces and it was estimated at closer to 80k. Most of it seems close enough as far as I can tell, though.

    I'm curious where Aardvark ranks.

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  • shutzshutz Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I find that, the hotter the hot sauce, the less actual flavor it has, especially since you normally use less of it.

    One source of "heat" that I found brings a lot of interesting flavor is harissa, which is, as far as I know, an arab / middle-eastern thing, so it tastes very different from the mexican/southwestern sources of "heat". It's probably not as hot as Tabasco, but you can use more of it with less fear of the result being too hot. I mix it with mayo and spread it on my hamburger buns. The stuff I buy comes in a tube like the ones used for toothpaste. For my hamburgers, I'll use an amount equivalent to half the amount of toothpaste I put on my toothbrush, on each hamburger bun.

    I doubt this will be hot enough for the OP's needs, but I thought I'd take the opportunity to share this different option. The OP did mention he was looking for something hot that also brings some flavor. Pure cap is not going to add much flavor, and neither will will the more extreme hot sauces.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    Esh wrote: »
    Wait, that chart lists Tobasco and Cholula as hotter than Sriracha? I can use those all day but Sriracha burns the fuck out of my mouth in quantity.


    i find the spicyness of sriracha varies greatly depending on what you eat it with.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    I bought my step-dad a bottle of Mad Dog 357. It's supposedly 600,000 scoville units. It's delicious and extremely hot, but not intolerably hot.

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  • grouch993grouch993 Both a man and a numberRegistered User regular
    My wife has brought home a ghost pepper salsa that is pretty good. http://www.burn-blog.com/2408/mrs-renfros-ghost-salsa-scary-hot-and-wicked-good/

    Used to have a Habanero BBQ sauce that I liked, but that was a local company back in Indiana.

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  • Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    If there's a Kroger's near you, their generic Hot Wing Sauce is delicious! Not very hot, but super tasty.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    (eh, nevermind)

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