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DVD Archivey dealie? (!)

ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
edited February 2007 in Games and Technology
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Basically, I'm sick and tired of having to store all my DVDs - roughly 70 or so with more bought every few weeks. So it struck me while I was dropping the kids at the pool that I might store all my films and that on some sort of hard drive type jobber, then stream them to my TV.

Of course, as you can see from my oh-so-not-good technical mouth-words, I have no fucking idea what I'm doing.

So I come to you fine nerd-folk for some assistance.

My current setup (well, the bits I think might be useful), so you can tell me what to buy:
Intel iMac with about 100GB of HD space free
Xbox 360
Godawful shitty ethernet router modem thing.
A really big amount of cash
A really small amount of personal time to dick about with stuff to make this work.

My idea:
Some sort of fancy automated software, a networked hard drive and an AppleTV. Any good?

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  • SushisourceSushisource Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Well, seems to me like a big fatty external hard drive and some "DVD Backup" software (it can be found for free, I don't want to link to anything for fear of the banstick). As for outputting to a TV I don't know what Mac people do for that, but any mid-high end video card should have S-Video out which can be used to produce a good HDTV signal.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Well, I'm ripping "Children of Men" in HandBrake as we speak*. My hope is that I can add it to FrontRow's list of movies, then run a really long cable through my house (or buy an AppleTV and stream it wirelessly)


    Going to take fucking ages to do all of them though. Assuming this one works nice and dandy.




    *Chosen because it's recent, so I figured it would have the besterest copy protection.

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  • fogeymanfogeyman Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    AppleTV only streams content in iTunes so you're limiting yourself to one app. The SlingCatcher is more universal in that it should stream virtually any file format to your TV. This would probably work a lot better. I don't think it's available yet, however.

    Windows Home Server is a new product from MS (currently in closed beta-testing) that can provide a centralized location to stream digital content to other computers and your 360. That may also work well, but it's also far more costly. It can also automatically back up data on Macs and PCs.

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  • The CheeseThe Cheese Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/24032

    Mediafork is the new Handbrake. It should be able to rip to an iTunes (and iTV) compatible h264 file.

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  • Palmer EldritchPalmer Eldritch Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Got an Xbox?

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Why yes, yes I do.

    And it's sat unused in my cupboard.

    Why didn't I tihnk of that sooner?

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited February 2007
    Xbox + XBMC = sweet sweet looove.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    After looking at google:


    Wow, that seems mad complicated crazy-time. I don't think I have the time, energy or give-a-shit-ness to go that far. I know it would do just about everything I could want it to do, but frankly I was hoping to just throw money at this rather than time.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    I was hoping to just throw money at this rather than time.

    In that case, Mac mini for under the TV, one of these (if necessary, your TV may take DVI):

    http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=4BB568D3&nplm=M9267G%2FA

    and one of these:

    http://www.buffalo-technology.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=97

    Rip your movies to the terastation, stream them to the mac mini. Try and run a cable for that, though, I've had iffy results with streaming over wireless.

    I would make this post neater, but I haven't figured out the new bbcode yet.

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  • robaalrobaal Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    If the iMac has a DVI output then you could, possibly, get a really nice HDTV with DVI or HDMI inputs and just connect the computer directly to it.

    Wiki says that high quality HDMI/DVI cables can be as long as 15m without loss of picture quality.

    External hard drives connectible to the PC should be much cheaper than NAS.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    robaal wrote: »
    If the iMac has a DVI output then you could, possibly, get a really nice HDTV with DVI or HDMI inputs and just connect the computer directly to it.

    Wiki says that high quality HDMI/DVI cables can be as long as 15m without loss of picture quality.

    External hard drives connectible to the PC should be much cheaper than NAS.

    He could also use the DVI -> TV thing with the iMac, and NAS is just cooler. He did specify "A really big amount of cash."

    Personally, I use Thoggen to rip and re-encode (before I switched to Linux I used DVD-Decrypter + AutoGK), my FreeBSD fileserver and XBMC, which essentially amounts to a ghetto version of what I posted above. Money no object, I'd get a huge NAS box and one of those tiny new shuttles running MythTV.

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  • robaalrobaal Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    japan wrote: »
    He could also use the DVI -> TV thing with the iMac
    How does an analog signal look for such long cables though?
    I think an digital->analog converter would be a bit more expensive than $20, so I assume it uses the analog part of the DVI-I output...
    I'm guessing it will also be cheaper/easier to extend a digital video signal with a repeater or some such thing.

    and NAS is just cooler. He did specify "A really big amount of cash."
    He probably won't have much leftover with the HDTV though ;-)

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    Well, I'm ripping "Children of Men" in HandBrake as we speak*. My hope is that I can add it to FrontRow's list of movies, then run a really long cable through my house (or buy an AppleTV and stream it wirelessly)


    Going to take fucking ages to do all of them though. Assuming this one works nice and dandy.




    *Chosen because it's recent, so I figured it would have the besterest copy protection.


    Considering its not even "out" yet on DVD, im going to guess that it has no copy protection.

    Also the easiest way to do this would be just to make ISO images of them and then mount them with a virtual drive program and use regular dvd watching software. Preferably on a PC thats dedicated to the television.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Zeon wrote: »
    Considering its not even "out" yet on DVD, im going to guess that it has no copy protection.

    Also the easiest way to do this would be just to make ISO images of them and then mount them with a virtual drive program and use regular dvd watching software. Preferably on a PC thats dedicated to the television.



    Eh? I have it sat right in front of me here!
    Ta Dah!

    Anyway, my ripping attempt was a success using HandBrake. From looks of I think I'll buy some thing huge:
    Like this
    Or maybe this

    And attach it to my iMac (using FireWire), then use an alias in my "Movies"folder to get the files on it to show up in Front Row. Then either run a big long wire (or buy an AppleTV, which would be really handy for streaming my iTunes librabry as well - the 360 with Connect360 works but it feels like a hack job and doesn't lay out stuff at all nicely)


    Are there any immediate flaws that I'm missing with this plan?

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Aside from the cost and lock-in caused?

    Not particularly. If you don't mind those, you're good to go.

    Once you can get an AppleTV, that is.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    Aside from the cost and lock-in caused?

    Not particularly. If you don't mind those, you're good to go.

    Once you can get an AppleTV, that is.

    Well, I have about 100GB free on my iMac, so I'll only want to buy a new HD about 30ish movies from now. And even including HDMI cables (already have the HDTV) the AppleTV comes to £220ish, which ain't too unreasonable.


    The lock in does bother me a bit, but I imagine myself using a Mac for a good long while, and even then everything is pretty standrad except the ATV, so I houldn't be too buggered.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Well okay then. About all you'll need now is a method of getting from imac to AppleTV. Long ethernet corrd, wireless router, it'll all suffice. But, you'll want your iMac on a wired connection.

    Either way, good luck, and be sure to tell us how it all works out. I might consider buying one of my own if it turns out to be a good setup.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    Well okay then. About all you'll need now is a method of getting from imac to AppleTV. Long ethernet corrd, wireless router, it'll all suffice. But, you'll want your iMac on a wired connection.

    Either way, good luck, and be sure to tell us how it all works out. I might consider buying one of my own if it turns out to be a good setup.


    To the bank then!


    And yep, you can expect to see how it pans out. Probably with pictures involving kittens.


    (And now I have the agonising job of ripping all those gorram DVDs.)

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    To the bank then!


    And yep, you can expect to see how it pans out. Probably with pictures involving kittens.


    (And now I have the agonising job of ripping all those gorram DVDs.)

    Yes, ripping DVDs is often a task that is time consuming. It's really bad for these season boxsets I'm doing. My little brother watches them too, so what I have to do is do a full disc rip, rip the individual episodes from the resulting video_ts folder, then work the disc rip down to fit on a full DVD and burn it to a DVD-R so I can put these things into cold storage. It's like 2 or 3 hours a disc, so I've only gotten a few done.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    Yes, ripping DVDs is often a task that is time consuming. It's really bad for these season boxsets I'm doing. My little brother watches them too, so what I have to do is do a full disc rip, rip the individual episodes from the resulting video_ts folder, then work the disc rip down to fit on a full DVD and burn it to a DVD-R so I can put these things into cold storage. It's like 2 or 3 hours a disc, so I've only gotten a few done.

    My iMac is pretty fast so trhey aren't takking too long, and at a push I could also use my brother's eMac to do two at once. Bit concerned with how to do seasons and stuff though, you're right. I'd rather not have a big messy liust with every episode listed, but then I'm not sure how well Front Row (and by extension ATV) handle folders.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I organise TV series' into folders, then use filenames like s02e12 - Episode Title.avi,
    so I get paths like TV/Scrubs/s02e04 - My Big Mouth.avi. I do this partly because XBMC runs up against the FATX maximum path length pretty quickly, but it does make it easy to find what you want and looks pretty neat in a list.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    japan wrote: »
    I organise TV series' into folders, then use filenames like s02e12 - Episode Title.avi,
    so I get paths like TV/Scrubs/s02e04 - My Big Mouth.avi. I do this partly because XBMC runs up against the FATX maximum path length pretty quickly, but it does make it easy to find what you want and looks pretty neat in a list.

    I use the same method. However, I also add the series name, so that way when you do a big multi-show playlist, you know what's what without having memorized the titles.

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