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The Fermi Paradox

MonkeybombMonkeybomb Registered User regular
edited February 2007 in Social Entropy++
From Wikipedia:
"The extreme age of the universe and its vast number of stars suggest that extraterrestrial life should be common. Considering this with colleagues over lunch in 1950, the physicist Enrico Fermi is said to have asked: 'Where are they?'"


To paraphrase, the Fermi Paradox states that if intelligent life exists, it should exist everywhere. Since the sky has so far appeared to be silent, does this mean that humans are the first intelligent creatures to arise in the galaxy? Perhaps in the whole of the universe? Perhaps life exists but we simply have not observed them yet, despite our best efforts?

A common response to these questions is that the entirety of the sky is too large an area to survey with our current technology. But when we say that life should be everywhere, that means everywhere. Surely there would be obvious evidence even in our own solar system. Maybe we truly are the first.

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  • Jedi RenegadeJedi Renegade Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    ITT: First warning of upcoming alien invasion

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  • SygnonSygnon Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    or maybe everything else is just that big.

    we are very small.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nroo-i8t8vg

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  • HomelessHomeless Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Uh oh mankind is getting too big for its britches

    NEXT STOP: ETERNAL SLAVES TO AN ALIEN RACE

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2007
    I did not mean

    To blow your mind

    But that shit happens to me

    Aaaaaaall the tiiiiiiime

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I always answer the Fermi Paradox with the alternate. What if human life (or carbon based for that matter) was the last, and basically we're alone because everything else has already had its money shot and passed out.

    Suck on that optimists.

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  • Wrench N RocketsWrench N Rockets Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    If we are alone in the universe, it would be a terrible waste of space.

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  • ScrumtrulescentScrumtrulescent Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I suddenly feel really important

    sitting here

    in my pajamas

    eating this box of chocolate doughnuts

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I don't believe for a second that we're alone in the universe or that we're the first; how else do you explain the bloop if not for cyclopean horrors from the edges of space?

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I was watching a show on Apollo 11 the other day. We just don't do stuff like that anymore.

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2007
    the Great Old Ones are laughing right now

    waiting for the day that they awaken

    and rape our souls with madness

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    If we are alone in the universe, it would be a terrible waste of space.

    I've just declared Manifest Destiny on the universe. Everything belongs to us in every direction and we all have to dress in expensive jeans to be part of it.

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  • MonkeybombMonkeybomb Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Uriel wrote: »
    I was watching a show on Apollo 11 the other day. We just don't do stuff like that anymore.


    I know, right. We need us a good Cold War again.

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  • Jedi RenegadeJedi Renegade Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I suddenly feel really important

    sitting here

    in my pajamas

    eating this box of chocolate doughnuts

    share plz

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  • ScrumtrulescentScrumtrulescent Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Hunter wrote: »
    I've just declared Manifest Destiny on the universe. Everything belongs to us in every direction and we all have to dress in expensive jeans to be part of it.

    Ahahaha

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2007
    Hunter wrote: »
    I've just declared Manifest Destiny on the universe. Everything belongs to us in every direction and we all have to dress in expensive jeans to be part of it.

    I am laughing very hard right now.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    Who wants to talk to meat?

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  • The Otaku SuppositoryThe Otaku Suppository Bawstan New EnglandRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Isn't the first race supposed to transcend mortality and become as gods and observers of the millions to follow?

    I somehow don't see that happening.

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2007
    Druhim wrote: »
    Who wants to talk to meat?

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  • ScrumtrulescentScrumtrulescent Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Isn't the first race supposed to transcend mortality and become as gods and observers of the millions to follow?

    I somehow don't see that happening.

    It's like Hunter said, we don't have to be the first. We could be the last.

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  • Jedi RenegadeJedi Renegade Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Just wait. A million years from now, a lowly reptilian race will toil beneath enormous, gilded statues of Britney Spears and anime characters.

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  • J. GrantJ. Grant Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    Druhim wrote: »
    Who wants to talk to meat?

    They're made of meat, sir.

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  • SygnonSygnon Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Isn't the first race supposed to transcend mortality and become as gods and observers of the millions to follow?

    I somehow don't see that happening.

    definitely not to us

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2007
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  • The Otaku SuppositoryThe Otaku Suppository Bawstan New EnglandRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I don't believe for a second that we're alone in the universe or that we're the first; how else do you explain the bloop if not for cyclopean horrors from the edges of space?

    That's just a 300 foot long whale shark monster swimming in our ocean depths waiting to rise and feast upon unsuspecting denziens of the beach.

    Or maybe there's a big party going down in R'lyeh

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    It's like Hunter said, we don't have to be the first. We could be the last.

    Fermi, like most people, like to pretend they're far more important in the comings and goings on of universes.

    In reality, we are but a heartbeat on the history of this planet, let alone the universe. Who fucking knows why or if we're alone. Maybe we're the assbackwards country bumbkins of the universe and people avoid us like Alabama.

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  • bongibongi regular
    edited February 2007
    the only sensible answer is god

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Monkeybomb wrote: »
    I know, right. We need us a good Cold War again.

    But with whom?

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  • AWIYAWIY Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    J. Grant wrote: »
    They're made of meat, sir.

    Nobody loves you because you're tiny and made of meat.

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  • MonkeybombMonkeybomb Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    This thread was inspired by the books Manifold: Time, Manifold: Space and Manifold: Origin by Stephen Baxter.

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Isn't the first race supposed to transcend mortality and become as gods and observers of the millions to follow?

    I somehow don't see that happening.

    Of course you don't because we're still relatively in the dark ages of our specie.

    Give it a million years, we'll be godlike beings of spirit and energy who chuckle at the hundreds of sentient races scattered throughout the cosmos, making important strides in their civilizations that we realize are but the first steps of an infant on the cosmic scale.

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Or maybe there's a big party going down in R'lyeh

    I like the thought of Cthulhu just chillin' and sippin' on a cold one. I dunno why, it just appeals to me.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Uriel wrote: »
    But with whom?

    By the looks of things, Russia wants another go at it.

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  • bongibongi regular
    edited February 2007
    i bet the bloop was a load of whales playing a prank

    "haha check this out todd we're gonna fuck with the humans

    okay guys on three"

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  • RedeemerRedeemer Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
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  • MonkeybombMonkeybomb Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Butters wrote: »
    By the looks of things, Russia wants another go at it.

    Really, I think they were doing better with Communism.

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  • AWIYAWIY Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    We're gonna run run run to the cities of the future
    Take what we can, and bring it back home
    So take me down to the cities of the future
    Everybody's happy and I feel at home

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Butters wrote: »
    By the looks of things, Russia wants another go at it.

    I saw this movie already, and Rocky, Rambo, the Wolverines, and Chuck Norris win.

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I really do like the idea of us being the most advanced species in the universe just because it turns the conventional notion of extraterrestrials on its head.

    When we finally explore the other life-bearing planets, they'll be at a lower level of tech, and we'll realize that, oh shit, we're the UFOs.

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  • ScrumtrulescentScrumtrulescent Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Hunter wrote: »
    Fermi, like most people, like to pretend they're far more important in the comings and goings on of universes.

    In reality, we are but a heartbeat on the history of this planet, let alone the universe. Who fucking knows why or if we're alone. Maybe we're the assbackwards country bumbkins of the universe and people avoid us like Alabama.

    It's funny because I just got finished reading that Carl Sagan quote about the pale blue speck.

    About how every single inventor, hero, villain, scientist, philosopher, every single general who sacrificed thousands of lives to rule over one fraction of a tiny dot in space has lived here.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Harrier wrote: »
    I really do like the idea of us being the most advanced species in the universe just because it turns the conventional notion of extraterrestrials on its head.

    When we finally explore the other life-bearing planets, they'll be at a lower level of tech, and we'll realize that, oh shit, we're the UFOs.

    Then we'll drop A-bombs on them from F-16's while they're still pumping out spearmen and looking into Monotheism.

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