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Was it protected, or not? If so, how? If not, why not?
Saturday -> Tuesday is pretty quick to be feeling the effects, physically. Get her tested, ASAP, but don't panic yet. It's entirely possible that she's just got the 'flu.
It was protected via Condom, Durex Ultra-Sensitive Brand.
What kind of test should we get? Drug-Store-Test-In-a-Box, or some kind of clinic check?
I just asked her how she's feeling, and she's telling me she's nauseous with pains in her lower abdomen. That suggests to me some very not good things.
It was protected via Condom, Durex Ultra-Sensitive Brand.
What kind of test should we get? Drug-Store-Test-In-a-Box, or some kind of clinic check?
I just asked her how she's feeling, and she's telling me she's nauseous with pains in her lower abdomen. That suggests to me some very not good things.
I don't think there's a drugstore test that will pick up a pregnancy that's 3 days old.
She's probably feeling nauseous because she thinks she's pregnant, and she's freaking out, making herself sick.
Did the condom slip off or anything? Did you decide to re-use it, turning it inside out for the second go-round? Did you use two of them?
If nothing weird happened to the condom, she's probably not pregnant. That doesn't mean she's not causing herself to feel sick. Or that she didn't eat something funky. Condoms are great if they don't fail, and they rarely fail (usually failure is due to user error at that). So what are the odds that she's pregnant? Pretty damn low. What are the odds that she's freaking out or sick otherwise? Well, she's obviously not feeling too well. But, you know, a lot of things make you feel hot and make your guts feel bad.
yeah, if you guys used a condom and used it correctly, i think you're gonna be okay.
i think the real thing that you guys should be thinking here is that if you're freaking out this much about sex when it seems like everything went okay, maybe you guys should hold off for a while.
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"okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
i think the real thing that you guys should be thinking here is that if you're freaking out this much about sex when it seems like everything went okay, maybe you guys should hold off for a while.
That's definitely the plan. We're going to wait a bit then get tested.
As a person who went through an accidental pregnancy (who turned 5 last week, by the way), I can tell ya four days is way too soon. It was two weeks before she even noticed anything funny, and three weeks before the soreness moved from her back to her abdomen and got her worried enough to take a pregnancy test. Just get her to pee on a thirteen-dollar stick.
Yeah, if the power hadn't gone out, what I was about to say was that the odds of a condom failing, when used properly and regularly over a 1-year period, are 50:1. 2%. The odds of her feeling pregnant this soon after conception are... well, let's say "not good," to say the least.
Statistically speaking, she's not pregnant. That's not to say she for-sure isn't, but if she is, you won the fuckin' lottery, man.
I've always been curious how threads like this turn out. Does the OP really go up to his girlfriend and say "look, you're not pregnant. I asked the penny arcade forum and they all agreed that I'd have a better chance winning the lottery than you being pregnant."
And yeah, if she misses her period, get a pregnancy kit. If nothing else, it'll make her feel better.
4 days is really much too early for her to get morning sickness. Don't panic yet, just wait and see if she misses her period. If that happens, then get an EPT from the drug store.
Also, side-question: I heard someone say something about proper use of condoms, I knew all the other stuff but what are the consequences of using two? In this sense I mean doubling up. I always assumed that was a good thing as far as preventing accidents.
Edit: Also, even though I'm fairly confident me and Ms. Shim take all the proper precautions, it still feels nice to hear when she started just to be sure. That happened earlier so I was all like, "Oh awesome."
Also, side-question: I heard someone say something about proper use of condoms, I knew all the other stuff but what are the consequences of using two? In this sense I mean doubling up. I always assumed that was a good thing as far as preventing accidents.
Too much friction between the two can cause tearing/breakage of said condom(s).
One is really sufficient, but a 2nd-backup like "the pill" in addition to a condom is even better.
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
This is bum-fuck awful advice. We're not talking about running clinical studies here; even if ovulation was perfectly regular for all women all the time, your average fertile couple are not going to be able to measure, record and track her cycle with 100% accuracy all the time and then stick to it all the time. ("Not tonight, hon. My mucus is too eggy.") Used correctly, condoms are far more effective and easily used, with fewer worries about being one of "only" 30 women out of 100 who has to decide whether to keep the kid or not.
OP: like everyone said, four days is far too short a time for morning sickness to have set in. Hell, it's not even enough time for fertilization. Don't immediately correlate missed periods with HOLY SHIT BABY, either, as I've missed more than one myself out of work stress or illness, exacerbated by trying to think of the last time I might've been able to get knocked up. No fun.
This is bum-fuck awful advice. We're not talking about running clinical studies here; even if ovulation was perfectly regular for all women all the time, your average fertile couple are not going to be able to measure, record and track her cycle with 100% accuracy all the time and then stick to it all the time. ("Not tonight, hon. My mucus is too eggy.") Used correctly, condoms are far more effective and easily used, with fewer worries about being one of "only" 30 women out of 100 who has to decide whether to keep the kid or not.
I agree completely, it'll never happen, and condoms and/or the pill are best. But 30% chance for a year of regular sex isn't that much. Why do so many people end up having fertility treatment?
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
You completely missed the point of that article. For that fertility management system to work you need to be trained and follow precise rules based on multiple indicators of fertility. It does work, but even the experts in FAM (Fertility awareness management, is what its called in the US) refuse to list the information on the internet. For the system to work, you must be trained in person by a professional. I highly reccomend everyone does get trained. Its a great system, as effective as condoms or the pill (<1% chance of pregnancy in a year with perfect use) and combines very well with condoms.
But do not try to use this system untrained!
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Unfortunately, western cultures frown upon arranged marriages, so the vast majority of people have to take risks in order to get into relationships.
You completely missed the point of that article. For that fertility management system to work you need to be trained and follow precise rules based on multiple indicators of fertility. It does work, but even the experts in FAM (Fertility awareness management, is what its called in the US) refuse to list the information on the internet. For the system to work, you must be trained in person by a professional. I highly reccomend everyone does get trained. Its a great system, as effective as condoms or the pill (<1% chance of pregnancy in a year with perfect use) and combines very well with condoms.
But do not try to use this system untrained!
Although I think it's great that people take an interest in how the female reproduction system works, this system must be followed to the letter. I'm not saying anything about the particular demographic of the PA forum, but this method is not for people interested in having sex "when the mood strikes". The more popular methods of birth control discussed in this thread may just be more effective for the type of sex many of us; are having/plan on having/have.
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"What are you dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!"
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
You completely missed the point of that article. For that fertility management system to work you need to be trained and follow precise rules based on multiple indicators of fertility. It does work, but even the experts in FAM (Fertility awareness management, is what its called in the US) refuse to list the information on the internet. For the system to work, you must be trained in person by a professional. I highly reccomend everyone does get trained. Its a great system, as effective as condoms or the pill (<1% chance of pregnancy in a year with perfect use) and combines very well with condoms.
But do not try to use this system untrained!
I didn't miss the point, but my post was awful. I find it really hard to write in these tiny boxes properly. Why is 2/3 of the width of my screen wasted pointlessly?!
My point was a one off go, with a condom used, is ridiculously unlikely to result in pregnancy. Even if it split it probably still won't result in pregnancy. Not to say you shouldn't be worried, but getting so worried is probably unnecessary.
And I agree, using anything other than the pill or condoms or both requires a lot of control and knowledge, and luck. Totally unsuited for anyone who isn't in a long term, mature relationship who for some reason doesn't want to use other protection. Even then, considering the most passionate time of the month tends to be when women are most fertile... Just strikes me as an odd thing to do. "Yeah let's have sex, but only when I'm not really horny, sorry!"
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
You completely missed the point of that article. For that fertility management system to work you need to be trained and follow precise rules based on multiple indicators of fertility. It does work, but even the experts in FAM (Fertility awareness management, is what its called in the US) refuse to list the information on the internet. For the system to work, you must be trained in person by a professional. I highly reccomend everyone does get trained. Its a great system, as effective as condoms or the pill (<1% chance of pregnancy in a year with perfect use) and combines very well with condoms.
But do not try to use this system ever!
I don't know what universe you're living in, but the rhythm method is most certainly not as effective as a condom, which is 4 or 5 times less effective than the pill (.5 pregnancies per 100 woman years vs 2 or so with condoms, iirc). From all the practicing OBGYNs I've talked to, who I'm pretty sure are trained in person by a professional, and all the classes I've taken on human mating and sex, the rhythm method is a really good way to get yourself pregnant. Maybe not as fast as if you just fuck all the time and not pay attention to anything, but still a good way.
Seriously, just use birth control. Rhythm method is about as effective as pulling out.
I don't know what universe you're living in, but the rhythm method is most certainly not as effective as a condom, which is 4 or 5 times less effective than the pill (.5 pregnancies per 100 woman years vs 2 or so with condoms, iirc). From all the practicing OBGYNs I've talked to, who I'm pretty sure are trained in person by a professional, and all the classes I've taken on human mating and sex, the rhythm method is a really good way to get yourself pregnant. Maybe not as fast as if you just fuck all the time and not pay attention to anything, but still a good way.
Seriously, just use birth control. Rhythm method is about as effective as pulling out.
The Rhythm method is to FAM what walking is to taking the Concord. Not even remotely equated.
I don't know what universe you're living in, but in mine accuracy is valued more than ignorance.
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Unfortunately, western cultures frown upon arranged marriages, so the vast majority of people have to take risks in order to get into relationships.
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
If you're using a condom, you're only likely to end up with 1-2 women pregnant a year from a sample of 100.
And given the fact that, y'know, if you're one of the 30, you're fucking pregnant, I'd say that the condom is probably a good idea.
I believe her point wasn't that "planning" or the "rhythm method" is practical, rather that "even if there's a problem, the probability of getting pregnant with NO birth control is statistically favorable."
As in, every instance of sex doesn't equate to baby. Which is true, and a good thing to keep in mind if you're using condoms and may one day have an accident. It's still good to have a pregnancy test in said situations, of course.
I didn't miss the point, but my post was awful. I find it really hard to write in these tiny boxes properly. Why is 2/3 of the width of my screen wasted pointlessly?!
My point was a one off go, with a condom used, is ridiculously unlikely to result in pregnancy. Even if it split it probably still won't result in pregnancy. Not to say you shouldn't be worried, but getting so worried is probably unnecessary.
And I agree, using anything other than the pill or condoms or both requires a lot of control and knowledge, and luck. Totally unsuited for anyone who isn't in a long term, mature relationship who for some reason doesn't want to use other protection. Even then, considering the most passionate time of the month tends to be when women are most fertile... Just strikes me as an odd thing to do. "Yeah let's have sex, but only when I'm not really horny, sorry!"
Back in August of 2003, my insurance was changing, so my wife was stuck without the patch (which she'd be using for quite some time) for a week or two. We have a daughter who is turning three this year.
Back in June of 2005, because she was nursing, my wife had been on a different birth control pill than normal women would use, but when she stopped nursing, she switched back...sure enough, a few days after switching, she was pregnant again.
It's incredibly stupid to assume the odds will work out in your favor when the sacrifice is so fucking simple. Yes, condoms suck. They don't feel as nice, you have to buy them and keep them around, and it's a pain in the ass.
You know what's a bigger pain in the ass? Kids you're not ready for.
I kind of want to add that it's surprisingly common for a woman to be late or to skip her period entirely after she has sex the first time, so don't immediately panic and think that she's pregnant if she's late or misses it. I'm sure the stress isn't going to help things on her end either.
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
My son says that this is a load of shit.
Well, he says nothing really because he is only 15 months old. But the point stands.
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Bickering aside, the moral of the story is better safe than sorry. The more forms of contraception you use, the better your odds are of not getting pregnant.
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
My son says that this is a load of shit.
Well, he says nothing really because he is only 15 months old. But the point stands.
Just because your son is part of that roughly 1/3 minority doesn't mean the rest of it is a load of shit.
Biologically women aren't "ready" to become pregnant 365 days a year. That's why some couples spend time "trying" to have a kid, doesn't happen in that honeymoon suite every time.
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Saturday -> Tuesday is pretty quick to be feeling the effects, physically. Get her tested, ASAP, but don't panic yet. It's entirely possible that she's just got the 'flu.
What kind of test should we get? Drug-Store-Test-In-a-Box, or some kind of clinic check?
I just asked her how she's feeling, and she's telling me she's nauseous with pains in her lower abdomen. That suggests to me some very not good things.
She's probably feeling nauseous because she thinks she's pregnant, and she's freaking out, making herself sick.
Did the condom slip off or anything? Did you decide to re-use it, turning it inside out for the second go-round? Did you use two of them?
She's probably just got a cold.
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i think the real thing that you guys should be thinking here is that if you're freaking out this much about sex when it seems like everything went okay, maybe you guys should hold off for a while.
That's definitely the plan. We're going to wait a bit then get tested.
I wouldn't worry unless she misses her period.
...which she probably will, now that she's all stressed out
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Statistically speaking, she's not pregnant. That's not to say she for-sure isn't, but if she is, you won the fuckin' lottery, man.
until then, do your best to chill her out.
And yeah, if she misses her period, get a pregnancy kit. If nothing else, it'll make her feel better.
Edit: Also, even though I'm fairly confident me and Ms. Shim take all the proper precautions, it still feels nice to hear when she started just to be sure. That happened earlier so I was all like, "Oh awesome."
Too much friction between the two can cause tearing/breakage of said condom(s).
One is really sufficient, but a 2nd-backup like "the pill" in addition to a condom is even better.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6375261.stm?ls
So you can merrily not bother with a condom, avoiding the most fertile point of the month, and have a lower chance of pregnancy than just using a condom. Article says that even if you just go for it you're only likely to end up with 30ish pregnant women a year from a sample of 100.
This is bum-fuck awful advice. We're not talking about running clinical studies here; even if ovulation was perfectly regular for all women all the time, your average fertile couple are not going to be able to measure, record and track her cycle with 100% accuracy all the time and then stick to it all the time. ("Not tonight, hon. My mucus is too eggy.") Used correctly, condoms are far more effective and easily used, with fewer worries about being one of "only" 30 women out of 100 who has to decide whether to keep the kid or not.
OP: like everyone said, four days is far too short a time for morning sickness to have set in. Hell, it's not even enough time for fertilization. Don't immediately correlate missed periods with HOLY SHIT BABY, either, as I've missed more than one myself out of work stress or illness, exacerbated by trying to think of the last time I might've been able to get knocked up. No fun.
I agree completely, it'll never happen, and condoms and/or the pill are best. But 30% chance for a year of regular sex isn't that much. Why do so many people end up having fertility treatment?
You completely missed the point of that article. For that fertility management system to work you need to be trained and follow precise rules based on multiple indicators of fertility. It does work, but even the experts in FAM (Fertility awareness management, is what its called in the US) refuse to list the information on the internet. For the system to work, you must be trained in person by a professional. I highly reccomend everyone does get trained. Its a great system, as effective as condoms or the pill (<1% chance of pregnancy in a year with perfect use) and combines very well with condoms.
But do not try to use this system untrained!
Although I think it's great that people take an interest in how the female reproduction system works, this system must be followed to the letter. I'm not saying anything about the particular demographic of the PA forum, but this method is not for people interested in having sex "when the mood strikes". The more popular methods of birth control discussed in this thread may just be more effective for the type of sex many of us; are having/plan on having/have.
I didn't miss the point, but my post was awful. I find it really hard to write in these tiny boxes properly. Why is 2/3 of the width of my screen wasted pointlessly?!
My point was a one off go, with a condom used, is ridiculously unlikely to result in pregnancy. Even if it split it probably still won't result in pregnancy. Not to say you shouldn't be worried, but getting so worried is probably unnecessary.
And I agree, using anything other than the pill or condoms or both requires a lot of control and knowledge, and luck. Totally unsuited for anyone who isn't in a long term, mature relationship who for some reason doesn't want to use other protection. Even then, considering the most passionate time of the month tends to be when women are most fertile... Just strikes me as an odd thing to do. "Yeah let's have sex, but only when I'm not really horny, sorry!"
I don't know what universe you're living in, but the rhythm method is most certainly not as effective as a condom, which is 4 or 5 times less effective than the pill (.5 pregnancies per 100 woman years vs 2 or so with condoms, iirc). From all the practicing OBGYNs I've talked to, who I'm pretty sure are trained in person by a professional, and all the classes I've taken on human mating and sex, the rhythm method is a really good way to get yourself pregnant. Maybe not as fast as if you just fuck all the time and not pay attention to anything, but still a good way.
Seriously, just use birth control. Rhythm method is about as effective as pulling out.
The Rhythm method is to FAM what walking is to taking the Concord. Not even remotely equated.
I don't know what universe you're living in, but in mine accuracy is valued more than ignorance.
And given the fact that, y'know, if you're one of the 30, you're fucking pregnant, I'd say that the condom is probably a good idea.
As in, every instance of sex doesn't equate to baby. Which is true, and a good thing to keep in mind if you're using condoms and may one day have an accident. It's still good to have a pregnancy test in said situations, of course.
Back in June of 2005, because she was nursing, my wife had been on a different birth control pill than normal women would use, but when she stopped nursing, she switched back...sure enough, a few days after switching, she was pregnant again.
It's incredibly stupid to assume the odds will work out in your favor when the sacrifice is so fucking simple. Yes, condoms suck. They don't feel as nice, you have to buy them and keep them around, and it's a pain in the ass.
You know what's a bigger pain in the ass? Kids you're not ready for.
Wait a week or two, and get a pregnancy test.
My son says that this is a load of shit.
Well, he says nothing really because he is only 15 months old. But the point stands.
Just because your son is part of that roughly 1/3 minority doesn't mean the rest of it is a load of shit.
Biologically women aren't "ready" to become pregnant 365 days a year. That's why some couples spend time "trying" to have a kid, doesn't happen in that honeymoon suite every time.