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Racist/Bigoted/[Insert something]phobic people that you can't really avoid

ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User regular
edited August 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
It could be someone you work with, a good friend or close family, perhaps it's also their only major character flaw, but you're kinda stuck with them anyway. If you try to confront them then it might cause some problems and just make your life uncomfortable when dealing with this person, and if you don't confront them then you have to continue to put up with them.

Any of the above ringing a bell?

I kinda feel like these types of people flourish so much better when their negative behaviour isn't really punished by people around them for X reason. Perhaps it's not really fair to view it this way, which kinda reminds me of the criticism the muslim moderates gets for not stopping the extremists (different thing, I know.)

Anyone got any interesting experiences to share?

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    My now dead step-grandfather was a friendly bigot.

    He never did anything bad or said anything truly mean spirited about people... but he was always quick to point out how the "blacks" were better athletes, and how they need to get some chinese on the math, etc. etc.

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    I used to work in a Religious-backed retirement home. The head guy was a tea-Partier, one of my bosses was a stanch republican that homeschooled his kids and proudly talked about the time he beat the crap out of a guy that hit on him at a bar, and most of the residents were mostly right-leaning so I got to hear how the country was going to go to shit since we elected a black-socialist-Muslim into office.

    But I got fired from there last year and now work as a security guard while I finish school.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    A friends mother told my friend that she should not move the the place she was moving to, which had significantly more black people living there, because "it is kind of dark around there". My friend didn't know what she meant. Then when she figured it out she said that was terrible, but her mom denied that she meant anything racist.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Yes, someone I live with is incredibly racist. He's my uncle. I actually made a thread about his racism- pretty much the same topic as this- where he agreed to be recorded while we kind of talked about his feelings on race. It's awful shit.

    He is very racist against pretty much every minority, and rants for hours a day (no exaggeration). He hates black people more than the others, though. They are definitely the focus of his bigotry (which, I guess, makes sense since our city is >50% black). He also spent a few years in prison where I strongly suspect that he was the victim of a violent attack from a black guy or maybe a gang. He's not a low key racist, either. He says explicit, hateful, profane things:

    -"n*****s are a cancer"
    -"you act so superior, but if I gave you five million dollars to buy a house anywhere I bet it would be an all white neighborhood; you know as well as I do that they're animals"
    -"stupid monkeys can't even build houses. They live in huts back home and are slowly tearing apart every real community in America"
    -"if you just look at the facts, they commit a disproportionate amount of crime. They blame it on the justice system but won't take accountability for the fact that their little monkey children are beating, raping and killing people five times as often as whites"
    -"when you look at it, Latina women are only good for laying on their back with their legs spread. Other than that, I have no use for them."

    (all direct quotes I've noted)


    On the other hand, he hates homophobia and (despite not having a gay child or best friend or any of the other 'makes bigots think twice' associations) will rant passionately about how fucked up it is that we mistreat gay people so horribly in this country. He will speak for twenty minutes without pause about the unfairness of it- that someone is happy and hurting no one, yet is targeted with hatred and ostracism by large parts of society. He supports gay marriage and gay adoption of children.

    He also (generally) doesn't include older minorities in his bigotry. He says 'old black people' are relaxed and civilized.

    Pretty much 99% of his bigotry is dedicated at young people.

    Real messed up guy.

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  • Fallout2manFallout2man Vault Dweller Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Come to think about it, I've pretty much completely cut anyone I see as racist/sexist/homophobic out of my life. The only person in my biological family I liked (cousin on my dad's side) made a very poorly disguised (and just poor) joke about Mexicans once and that was the last I really considered him anyone worth my time. I had a Boss once that was a hardcore Republican, but he was an economic conservative and not so much a social conservative. In general though, I try to ignore it as long as nobody's talking directly to me. But if someone's in a conversation with me (isn't a customer/client) and lets something fly I won't be able to hold my tongue and will try and basically trick them into agreeing that, logically speaking, they are horrible people.

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    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Every time I hear some guy say "I'm not a racist, but...", I would love to be able to respond with "Oh yeah? Well, I'm not a black guy, but..."

    Unfortunately, I'm not black. So it would be already be literal.

  • RyadicRyadic Registered User regular
    I live in Tennessee.

    No bigotry here. No sir. This is the bible belt. Nothing but good upstanding Christians tolerating everyone.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited August 2011
    A co-worker at the store I just transferred out of was really racist. "Towel-head," "sand n*," "spic," you name it, he said it. His night shifts were not night shifts, they were "n* night shifts." No one did anything, even when I complained about his bullshit.

    Also, can I bring up customers here? We have an international food aisle. At the last store I was in, it was labeled "Italian, Mexican, International" (yes, those two things are International, the people designing our signage are stupid). I had a couple customers bitch about "those dirty Mexicans" coming here, and they can't even eat our food, they've got to take up space in "my grocery store" with their "wetback food."

    Another one, when we were flooding in April, said it was because of the country becoming more and more Godless. She also said the company must be run by Jews because it paid people poorly (that's retail, not some crazy religious conspiracy).

    A different customer used to constantly call our lottery machine a "Jew machine" because he never won on scratch tickets (that's the point). He said a number of other slurs as well, and I told him that I would no longer be able to ring him up. One of the other managers told him "I'll ring you up, but I'm a dyke so you might not be happy with the service." He hasn't been back since.

    The real issue I have is that I'm not allowed to say anything to these people. I mean, I still do.. if they're being racist geese, I refuse to service them myself, but I've gotten in trouble for that before (I gave that manager a shrug and a "meh" for that bit of trouble). For a company that breaks its arm patting itself on the back for supporting LGBT groups, and promoting a healthy, safe, and welcoming work environment, we sure don't back it up when the fucking customers are causing the problem.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Today my professor brought up race for no real reason. Granted he was trying to tell us not to be racist but the way in which he brought it up made it really weird. Like, David or Michael from The Office weird.

    "Okay, so that's Organic Chemistry. If you were just walking out of a restaurant and somebody came running towards you, what would your first reaction be?"

    *silence as everyone tries to figure out where this question came from and where he wants it to go*

    "Okay let's get a little more detailed. It's a black man running at you."

    *...okay, I can't believe this...*

    "How do you feel as this black man is running at you? It's dark outside and a little bit spooky. I bet you feel like you're about to be raped."

    *...Nooooooo...*

    "What would you do in this situation?"

    *Say, hello there?*

    "But I bet you'd find out that he was just running towards you to give your checkbook back to you. You shouldn't have those preconceived notions."

    It was really, really bizarre and out of left field. Especially the rape thing.

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    I just call these people out now. Depending on the situation I'll be more polite or more aggressive, but my general goal is to make them as uncomfortable as possible. Because, fuck that.

    Fortunately I live in an area where there's comparatively little racism, so there aren't really many social consequences (for me, anyway.)

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  • StrayDogStrayDog Registered User regular
    Ryadic wrote:
    I live in Tennessee.

    No bigotry here. No sir. This is the bible belt. Nothing but good upstanding Christians tolerating everyone.

    I am "mixed race" and I took my blonde white California girlfriend with me to visit my mom in Knoxville. The looks we got made her really uncomfortable. I felt really bad because it may have ruined what was an otherwise fun vacation.

    Also, everyone I know is racist, regardless of their own background. It's actually a very touchy subject for me. Maybe I'm just uptight, but it's one of the few things that gets me angry very quickly. It's a wonder I have any friends at all.

    I'll try to post some stories when I get my head right.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    A few years back, I had a coworker who bragged about "beating up queers" with his friends at a mall. He also said that he "liked Elton John before he got all gay and shit" and refused to listen when we pointed out that he had never once in his showbiz career been the pinnacle of heterosexual masculinity.

    Yeah, we were glad when he got fired after a few months.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    I have someone who's actually a really good friend of mine who is... I don't really know how to put it. Generically racist? He was raised in an extraordinarily bigoted household - giant confederate flags on the walls, parents who openly talk about "uppity [censored]," basically every bad stereotype of rural Mississippi you can think of. But he's not real serious about it.

    Like, he dislikes black people in general. Doesn't think they're scum who should be cleansed from the earth or anything, just makes dumb racist comments and hates affirmative action and whatever. But in one-on-one situations, assuming everyone's being cool, hanging out and shooting the shit and having a couple beers, he's fine. Like, he hates black people, but he's really good friends with Jamal. It's weird. I call him out on his dumb shit, which he usually only starts spouting when he's super pissed about something, and he's apologetic. I dunno.

    My mom is kind of the same way, although it's far less explicit, and pretty much entirely the result of being passed over for promotion in favor of a less-qualified black woman. Which is understandable, I guess, but I still call her out on it when necessary.

  • Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco I wanna be an owl, Jerry! Owl York CityRegistered User regular
    edited August 2011
    It blows my mind whenever my mother lets something racist fly. Not because I expect her not to say anything, but because I've grown up in Scarborough my whole life. Shit is multicultural as fuck and I like it that way. So when there's a small group of teenagers loitering by the store when she pulls into the parking lot and I happen to be in tow, she'll ask me "Can you go into the store and grab some bread for me? I'd go but there are Muslims hanging out there." Like, what? So what? Maybe because they're a group of teenagers hanging out by a store you could be concerned, but because you think they might be Muslim, which isn't even a race? I know she grew up in the country, but she came to Toronto when she was a teenager so whatever excuse she had is just gone. There's never a time when I don't give her a ton of shit for it.

    My dad doesn't generally seem racist, but if anyone cuts him off in traffic he'll let out the most obscene string of profanity he can muster, targeting the person with whatever he can. I don't necessarily believe he's racist, but when you hear "Why don't you fucking learn to drive you goddamn fucking shitheaded [REDACTED], asshole prick, fucking piece of shit motherfucker." it can be a little jarring. You can freely swap out the censored word with any racial epithet for anyone who isn't white and you'll get something he might say. Add in colourful descriptors like "wrinkly" or "dried out" for old people, or any other insulting thing that acts as a slight descriptor if you like!

    Oh, and my sister, after buzzing my hair down, told me I looked like I had a "n*****" haircut. So that was interesting.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    My mother is very homophobic (...I suspect that she's probably a closeted homosexual), and has zero bones about blaming the genesis of HIV on 'the gays' / 'the gay lifestyle'). She's also sort-of casually racist & anti-Semitic, occasionally letting out the typical crap about 'the rich Jews' or the 'stupid Indians' (referring to Native Americans in that sense) while prefacing the little racist rant with, "Y'know I'm not a racist, but..." (I don't know why people do that. Yes, you are a fucking racist, because if you weren't that kind of garbage would never cross your mind).

    I've never really been in a position to call her out on anything because she's not exactly civil when it comes to arguments (the moment she realizes she won't win an argument, she starts screaming and /or threatening to do things like eviction), and everyone else mostly just ignores it.


    ...Also, everyone who plays League of Legends becomes a racist if they lose a game. Like, wearing a red armband racist.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote:
    My now dead step-grandfather was a friendly bigot.

    He never did anything bad or said anything truly mean spirited about people... but he was always quick to point out how the "blacks" were better athletes, and how they need to get some chinese on the math, etc. etc.

    I think that is more of a reflection of the time he perhaps grew up in rather than his true character. That's just how attitudes were and its hard to change after a lifetime.

    That's just my supposition, however.

  • Orochi_RockmanOrochi_Rockman __BANNED USERS regular
    Most of my family and everyone I work with is either a complete racist, a homophobe, or a delightful combination of both. One thing that all of them are, would be narrow minded, backwards thinking, Christians. I'm not knocking Christians. I know Christianity itself is not the problem, these people down here (Tennessee) just have no idea how to correctly apply it to reality.

  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote:
    syndalis wrote:
    My now dead step-grandfather was a friendly bigot.

    He never did anything bad or said anything truly mean spirited about people... but he was always quick to point out how the "blacks" were better athletes, and how they need to get some chinese on the math, etc. etc.

    I think that is more of a reflection of the time he perhaps grew up in rather than his true character. That's just how attitudes were and its hard to change after a lifetime.

    That's just my supposition, however.

    Same for me. My late great-grandmother referred to little black children as "pickanninies". As in, "oh, look at those cute little pickanninnies!" when seeing a snazzily-dressed black family on their way to church. She was a nice person, but it's how she grew up I guess.

  • StrayDogStrayDog Registered User regular
    I had a long post about all the people I know and the bigoted things they do, but it got to be overwhelming. I have friends of just about every ethnicity, religion, and sexual preference. And they ALL have crazy prejudices of all sorts of people. So I'll just post about those that induce rage consistently.

    Anyways, I have a close Filipino friend who is racist against white people. He introduced my girlfriend as "the snow bunny" once. I threatened him with violence if he ever called her that again. He still refers to other white girls as "snow bunnies" though. I brought a Jewish friend to one of his parties, and he did the sieg heil salute all night. He didn't do it to offend my Jewish friend, he just thinks the sieg heil is a thing that all white people do. He and many of my friends will insist white people have no culture, which bothers me deeply.

    I have another friend who hates asians. She thinks they're small-minded people who are only successful through deceit. She believes Japan deserved the earthquake because of Pearl Harbor. I think the craziest thing she's said is that all asians speak the same language, and Chinese, Japanese, and Korean being different languages is a liberal myth. She believes Japan is a socialist nation on par with Chinese communism. She also fervently believes Muslims are trying to take over the U.S. and Obama is a secret Muslim carrying out their agenda. There's really no reasoning with her on the matter.

    There's a funny story about my father and I visiting my step-mom's family in Ireland. Quick background, my father is ethnically Croatian, but has very Mediterranean features including darker skin. My step-mom's cousin greeted us:

    "You lads foreign?"

    "Uh, yeah, we're American."

    "No, what I mean is, are you lads foreign?"

    My step-mom had to intervene and assure him that my father and I are not Muslim. :?

    You know, I can understand the initial prejudices people have. I think it's a very human thing to do. But when people cling to malicious stereotypes despite their personal experiences, it becomes a big problem. It's a very dehumanizing way to think.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    My grandma called me a pickaninnie growing up. 'Pip' and 'pickaninnie' were her pet names for me and I'm pretty sure I'm white.

  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    StrayDog wrote:
    I had a long post about all the people I know and the bigoted things they do, but it got to be overwhelming. I have friends of just about every ethnicity, religion, and sexual preference. And they ALL have crazy prejudices of all sorts of people. So I'll just post about those that induce rage consistently.

    Anyways, I have a close Filipino friend who is racist against white people. He introduced my girlfriend as "the snow bunny" once. I threatened him with violence if he ever called her that again. He still refers to other white girls as "snow bunnies" though. I brought a Jewish friend to one of his parties, and he did the sieg heil salute all night. He didn't do it to offend my Jewish friend, he just thinks the sieg heil is a thing that all white people do. He and many of my friends will insist white people have no culture, which bothers me deeply.

    I have another friend who hates asians. She thinks they're small-minded people who are only successful through deceit. She believes Japan deserved the earthquake because of Pearl Harbor. I think the craziest thing she's said is that all asians speak the same language, and Chinese, Japanese, and Korean being different languages is a liberal myth. She believes Japan is a socialist nation on par with Chinese communism. She also fervently believes Muslims are trying to take over the U.S. and Obama is a secret Muslim carrying out their agenda. There's really no reasoning with her on the matter.

    There's a funny story about my father and I visiting my step-mom's family in Ireland. Quick background, my father is ethnically Croatian, but has very Mediterranean features including darker skin. My step-mom's cousin greeted us:

    "You lads foreign?"

    "Uh, yeah, we're American."

    "No, what I mean is, are you lads foreign?"

    My step-mom had to intervene and assure him that my father and I are not Muslim. :?

    You know, I can understand the initial prejudices people have. I think it's a very human thing to do. But when people cling to malicious stereotypes despite their personal experiences, it becomes a big problem. It's a very dehumanizing way to think.

    Jesus, get new friends! I came in here to talk about the OP but I think you needing new friends who are not appalling is a more important matter.

    I figure I could take a bear.
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    I have an uncle who in the same sentence once decried the media's presumptions of the Tea Party's inherent racism and then called Obama the n-word.


    There's no weapon for that.

  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    StrayDog wrote:
    I have another friend who hates asians. She thinks they're small-minded people who are only successful through deceit.
    This sort of stuff always seems a bit weird to me, the way it's almost always phrased is like there's a secret racists' monstrous manual somewhere.

  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2011
    The Ender wrote:
    ...Also, everyone who plays League of Legends becomes a racist if they lose a game. Like, wearing a red armband racist.

    Look I'm not a racist buf if you feed the AP carry in LoL you are a terrible Korean or Brazilian huehuehuehuehue.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    My mother is ridiculously racist and homophobic and unfortunately I inherited a lot of assumed stereotypes from her. It's hard to be around that for 20 years and not have it pop into your thinking every so often even still and I absolutely hate it.

    The weird thing is, she was also anti-semetic but didn't really comment on that stuff so I actually had no idea people hated Jews for stupid reasons until I was about 28 and a friend of mine converted to Judaism. I mean, I knew all bout the Holocaust but the whole they live in trash piles, they steal money, etc etc I had never heard of. I knew a lot of Jewish people and so when he explained it to me I just thought it was the funniest thing I'd ever heard.

  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    "snow bunny" is supposed to be offensive?

  • StrayDogStrayDog Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    poshniallo wrote:
    StrayDog wrote:
    StrayDog's crazy friends

    Jesus, get new friends! I came in here to talk about the OP but I think you needing new friends who are not appalling is a more important matter.

    I should mention that other than those weird racist behaviors, they are good people. They are reliable and supportive, but they say and do illogical racist things. As mentioned in the OP other people being unresponsive about it makes them think it's ok. I tend to be the only person calling them out on it, and it makes me look uptight and crazy. "Mexicans don't believe in education, hence..." should bother some folks, but no one bats an eye.
    Deebaser wrote:
    "snow bunny" is supposed to be offensive?

    It's derogatory. It's both racist and sexist.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    Deebaser wrote:
    "snow bunny" is supposed to be offensive?

    I always thought it meant white stripper... sometimes it carries a cocaine-flavored connotation

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    My granddad has that awesome kind of old people racism where he'll just bust out with some bigotry at a group you either didn't know existed or didn't know that they were persecuted minorities.

    "The TV news station hired a goddamned coon-ass for a weatherman."

    "That goddamned squarehead at the butcher shorted me on brisket."

    "If those goddamned celestials come around here in their smelly shrimp-carts one more time . . . "


    It's like having Al Swearengen for a grandparent.

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Clestials? Squareheads?

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote:
    Clestials? Squareheads?

    Vietnamese and people of Nordic ancestry, respectively.

  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2011
    Squareheads are Germans and people of that region.

    My girlfriend is kind of racist. I don't really care because it's kind of funny sometimes.

    Back when my grandfather was getting on in years, he could no longer clean his house reliably, so my mother/uncles/aunts hired a cleaning service to clean his house every couple of days.

    They sent an asian woman the first time. Oh lord was that a bad idea. You see, my grandfather was part of the occupational force in Japan after World War II. Being there for a few years made him have a certain disposition towards all asians.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Squareheads are Germans.

    Or Dutch, or Danes, traditionally.

  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    I always thought Snow Bunny was a pretty white chick who was easiest after an 8-Ball.

    I was in Walmart, a kid runs up to the Star Wars toys, grabs one, and says "I want this one, Dad!". The Dad looks at it, says "You can't have that one, its a [Censored] toy".

    It was Lando. I don't know why, but I always figured Lando would get a pass from the racist fucks of the world.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote:
    Clestials? Squareheads?

    Vietnamese and people of Nordic ancestry, respectively.

    I don't know if it's good or bad that's there's still racial epithets I haven't heard.

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    I always found that the best course of action in dealing with a racist person I couldn't avoid is to find something else that we could talk about, and focus on that.

    I will probably annoy that person with talk of my epic level artificer in eberron just as much as they annoy me with their racist bullshit, so lets talk the Giants. Or the stock market. Or pretty much anything else we can bond on, and always direct the conversation there whenever they start getting all shitty.

    You can't un-racist someone in a day, and if you have to deal with the person, it is best to find a way to talk to them without hating them all the time.

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  • StrayDogStrayDog Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Snow bunny in the way my friends, cousins, and their friends and cousins use it means a white girl who is only good for sex.

    I'm pretty disgusted by it.
    syndalis wrote:
    I always found that the best course of action in dealing with a racist person I couldn't avoid is to find something else that we could talk about, and focus on that.

    I will probably annoy that person with talk of my epic level artificer in eberron just as much as they annoy me with their racist bullshit, so lets talk the Giants. Or the stock market. Or pretty much anything else we can bond on, and always direct the conversation there whenever they start getting all shitty.

    You can't un-racist someone in a day, and if you have to deal with the person, it is best to find a way to talk to them without hating them all the time.

    I agree, wholeheartedly.

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  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Shit, I thought a 'snow bunny' was a hot girl skiing.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Anyone care to look up snow bunny in the urban dictionary? Get some closure on this one.

    I know its not racist, more sexist if you will, but chicken head is one I can't help but giggle at.

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