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[Dead or Alive 5] online might be ok, but an online pass is not

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Jann Lee confirmed. El Whatsherface confirmed.

    Tag battle finally revealed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeWPv3vhlLk&feature=player_embedded

    Tag power blows are surprisingly boring. Just a free character switch. Nice to know that the VF characters will get some unique tag throws (even if they're just replacing a partner for an already existing tag throw).

    Also no surprise that the flat stages weren't introduced to appease any competitive players (since there was no real outcry from the tiny DOA competitive community), but are just there for tag battles. Seems ram limitations have struck again.

    Team Ninja is also saying that they've further improved training mode with better AI options, specifically settings for them to struggle out of staggers and stuns. This is very nice.

    They're also saying that the tutorials packed into the story mode will mostly be optional stages. Also very nice.

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    There has been a steady stream of newsish items since my last update, but this is more substantial.

    New official trailer is out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fvOSrg-1c3s

    Characters shown for the first time are Helena, Brad, Eliot, Gen Fu, and good old Alpha-152. Also a few new stages and costumes.

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  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Alpha-152, woo!

    Is she OP? I ask because I seem to do very well with her... and usually something is afoot if I am doing well in fighting game.

    I also did not know that DoA5 was going to include VF characters... that's pretty rad.

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Seems like they're not upgrading the graphics much if at all.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    Alpha 152 is litterally Kasumi++.

    If i am not mistaken she's horrendously overpowered.

    Also yeah, no real upgrade because honestly the new guy is trying to get his footing with the series since, especially with DOA, Itagaki was so involved with the series.

    My hype meter is a cool medium for this, mostly due to "yeah, i am going to take less of an emphasis on tits and ass, by the way, here's a shitton of tits and ass."

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    I am going to risk being uncool and say that the tits and ass are part of the draw for me and I think it's part of what makes DOA DOA.

    Pretty much fine with it being a very fanservicey game. Of course, it seems every fighting game under the sun is now filled with cheesecake these days, so it gets a little grating.

  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Meh. Honestly, tits n' ass is such a non-issue with me as far as this game is concerned.

    Surprisingly...I just happen to think its a fun game.

  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    Oh i have no issues with the gratuitous T&A.

    Its the "no im not doing this, but actually im totally doing this because i am caving to managment"

    The one thing i appreciated about Itagaki was that even
    though he was an asshole, he did exactly what he wanted to do and had a clear vision
    about what he wanted to do. Hyashi, i think, is very clearly getting run over on some of his creative decisions(admittidly most of them are terrible).

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Yeah it's dumb. Just embrace what you are.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    That was part of the theme behind the article that I wrote, and I think it's still the case that the market is too different now. They have to appeal to some nebulous ideas of competitive play even while hedging their bets with t&a, because the Dead or Alive franchise was successful in the past because it had great graphics and lots of jiggling flesh. And it's not like their competition isn't doing the same thing. Look at the TTT2 swimsuit stuff.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    In the older games, the characters always spoke in Japanese, didn't they?

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Nah, they speak English in several of them.

  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    Alpha 152 is litterally Kasumi++.

    If i am not mistaken she's horrendously overpowered.

    She is (or was) a boss character. Of course she's terribly overpowered. Sometimes, beating seemed to involve way more luck than skill. Though that could've just been my impression since I'm not very skilled.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ga2Qe2pxcw&feature=player_embedded

    So the cat is just about out of the bag for the rest of the characters, though Team Ninja says there's some surprises still. I am considering NEC again this year, even though I don't know what I would play. If doa5 is fun enough it will up my chances of going, though.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    Leon, Ein, Tengu, Raidou, Genra/Omega, and Shiden are the only previously playable fighters who aren't returning for this game, correct?

    Oh, and that Spartan.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    Most importantly--and notice that this was kept well under the radar--Dead or Alive 5 is the first proper fighting game to come with an online pass.

    So, basically, fuck Team Ninja all over again. I don't even want to buy it anymore.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    But if you buy it you get a pass and have online.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    I don't even play online, but I think online passes are fucking retarded.

    Also, Mortal Kombat 9 had them, so DOA5 isn't the first. I also bought MK9, but that was before I knew about online passes.

    Ah, well, whatever floats your boat.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    I think you are perhaps overreacting.

  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Yeah, if you were planning on buying the game anyway then the online pass isnt a big deal. Actually, if you want to wait and buy the game used for cheap, you could wait and get it from GameFly and still get the online pass.

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    I don't play fighting games, but I'm thinking about buying this one as a masturbation aid.

    ...What?

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited September 2012
    I will not support online passes. I may buy it used, but I will not pay for a new copy.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Well that's kinda the manner of thinking that leads to online passes in the first place.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    Pure greed leads to online passes. Not paying for something does not lead to the existence of the thing not being payed for.

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  • B:LB:L I've done worse. Registered User regular
    I don't play fighting games, but I'm thinking about buying this one as a masturbation aid.

    ...What?

    Should've sprung for the Collector's Edition.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    edited September 2012
    Page- wrote: »
    Pure greed leads to online passes. Not paying for something does not lead to the existence of the thing not being payed for.

    It's like you think online passes are a thing that exists for no reason instead of a reaction to the market.

    Online passes are a thing because of lots of people not buying games new, so companies do it to try and make up some of that lost revenue by either making the choice to go used over new harder, or getting some later income from used buyers getting a pass.

    It's "pure greed" in the same way putting out a product to make money to begin with is "pure greed". It is not this horrible immoral thing you are making it out to be. Their actual customers are not effected, and the people that aren't their customers will either become one by buying a pass or not have as good of a product as their customers.

    Like, dude, you are getting bent out of shape over a company trying to make money off of their product. If "pure greed" is such an awful thing than you might as well stop buying any games.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Page- wrote: »
    I will not support online passes. I may buy it used, but I will not pay for a used copy.

    So basically you'll pirate the game because you got upset over a slip of paper.

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    I don't think he was saying he was gonna pirate, I think he just made a typo and wrote used instead of new at the end there.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    If they think they're losing money they can add value. If they want to remove features then they can bite me. Like I said, I don't even play fighting games online, but I will not support this type of action, especially when I'd already be charged for an online service to begin with. Team Ninja, and every other developer who pulls this stuff, is not running dedicated servers for me or something. They're piggybacking already established p2p setups.

    They're not losing money on this, they're just not getting all the money they want. abloobloo

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Online passes are an A-okay service, as are any other incentive items like Cerberus or BL2's Mechromancer

    And after hearing this talked about on the Bombcast this week, I am kind of interested in trying it out even though I've never really given DOA a shot before

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    edited September 2012
    They didn't remove features! The pass in in the freaking box!

    And saying that "adding value" is the solution is silly as hell. Just a totally nebulous suggestion that doesn't really mean anything and suggests that any game that loses sales to the used market doesn't have "enough value"...whatever the fuck that even means.

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    Alright, adding a pointless money barrier for a feature that has been, and should be, free.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited September 2012
    It's not pointless

    They're making way more money off of people that don't have foolish pride about things that are literally meaningless to them than they would have if they didn't put out an online pass. Making any money off of it makes it instantly not-pointless.

    Like me, for example

    I wanna try DOA, but I'm sure as shit not gonna spend $60 to try it

    But at a reduced price like $30 or something used, sure, maybe

    And if I like it, I may just pay that $10 to pay online and now Tecmo gets theirs instead of GameStop getting all of it

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    edited September 2012
    It is free. It comes with the game.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    It's not pointless

    They're making way more money off of people that don't have foolish pride about things that are literally meaningless to them than they would have if they didn't put out an online pass. Making any money off of it makes it instantly not-pointless.

    Like me, for example

    I wanna try DOA, but I'm sure as shit not gonna spend $60 to try it

    But at a reduced price like $30 or something used, sure, maybe

    And if I like it, I may just pay that $10 to pay online and now Tecmo gets theirs instead of GameStop getting all of it

    Hell, odds are you'll be able to get this new for thirty or even less between now and the end of the year, thanks to the one-two punch of Black Friday and Christmas. Ditto for nearly every other major release this year.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited September 2012
    Hence greed.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    edited September 2012
    Yeah we kinda already discussed how your "b...but...GREEEEEEED" argument is kinda silly.

    Oh noes! A company giving their paying customers the same thing they've always got and then doing something that will maybe make them profit a little off of used sales! How scandalous!

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  • WarcryWarcry I'm getting my shit pushed in here! AustraliaRegistered User regular
    Page- wrote: »
    Hence greed.

    Dude. The online pass is only something you buy if you buy it used. The devs get no money whatsoever from used game sales, that is why online passes exist. I have no problem with this and I shall be buying the game anyway, because I don't even have XBL. The DOA series has always been games designed for you to have fun with friends. And that's exactly why I'll buy this one.

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    I am one of those people who will wait for a sale. Not because I think the game has bad value, but because I don't stick with fighting games for very long after buying them. I'll snatch it up the first time I see a decent sale.

  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    I'll be honest, online passes bother me way, way less than, say, paid Day 1 DLC.

    'Course, I don't play online, so online passes are of no value to me anyway.

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