Civilization V GOTY edition coming up but be warned

BlindZenDriver

I'm sure this will be market soon but there are three things you need to know before deciding to invest.

1. This game is flawed. There have been lost of patches put out but there are still major problems with the AI and also plenty of crash problems. So before buying look in the forums at http://forums.2kgames.com/forumdisplay.php?74-Civilization-V-General-Discussion and at http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=375
2. The game manual has so far not been updated so it matches the many patches so there has been put out which impacts the quality of gaming. Basically you may for instance plan to build some unit only to find it has unexpected weaknesses or some wonder may have been made almost useless.
3. The game requires Steam so playing without being online is a pain (and on the original boxed version that was not said so in clear language on the box).

Henroid

I don't ever recall a PC game manual being updated as the game itself was patched up. Expansions, sure, but patches? That's a little unrealistic of you.

Jealous Deva

Oh no!

A game has problems every other strategy game/steam game in history has had.

Thanks for making a brand new post to let us know.

RainbowDespair

For the record, I've never had Civ V crash on me. Also the AI is pretty good with the most recent version of the game.

Henroid

So there's a chance this guy just hates Civ V for some reason and feels the need to campaign against it?

eobet

Jealous Deva wrote:

Oh no!

A game has problems every other strategy game/steam game in history has had.

Thanks for making a brand new post to let us know.

Well superfluous threads aside, I actually can't remember any AAA strategy game with as blatantly abysmal AI as Civ V...

...it's quite game breaking (or at least made me stop playing) which leaves multiplayer the only option... only, play by e-mail insn't supported anymore and the networking code is apparently very buggy and no units are animated (which imo makes it quite difficult to see what is going on, especially after battles).

Absalon

BlindZenDriver wrote:

I'm sure this will be market soon but there are three things you need to know before deciding to invest.

1. This game is flawed. There have been lost of patches put out but there are still major problems with the AI and also plenty of crash problems. So before buying look in the forums at http://forums.2kgames.com/forumdisplay.php?74-Civilization-V-General-Discussion and at http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=375
2. The game manual has so far not been updated so it matches the many patches so there has been put out which impacts the quality of gaming. Basically you may for instance plan to build some unit only to find it has unexpected weaknesses or some wonder may have been made almost useless.
3. The game requires Steam so playing without being online is a pain (and on the original boxed version that was not said so in clear language on the box).

What manual are you talking about here? The pdf version?

But yeah, the game is still about as flawed as it was in the release - AI and MP is still sketchy. You don't have to hate the game to want to warn people.

Maledict66

My gods, show the nice lady on the doll where the Civ game touched you.

What sort of trauma was inflicted to make someone to start a new thread solely to "warn" people about a game of the year edition?

As a counterpoint, Civ 5 has been patched several times, the AI and balance is much better, and it's now a very good game that I'd recommend to any Civ fan. You know, in exactly the same way Civ 4 was tweaked and patched repeatedly to make it work when it launched in a bad, broken state.

Shimshai

Civ 5 is far from perfect, but it's also pretty far from terrible,and they're still not finished with it. Hell, even Civ 4 was still very broken by the time they stopped patching it, but it didn't stop it from being a lot of fun.

BlindZenDriver

Henroid wrote:

So there's a chance this guy just hates Civ V for some reason and feels the need to campaign against it?

"This guy" - was it to hard to type my nick?

Seriously people - I am very sorry starting a new thread is offending but I suggest getting over it.

The reason I post is that it's likely the GOTY edition will see some marketing and in contrast to most games having there problems fixed by GOTY time that is not the case this time.

As for the manual there are extra reasons to mention it in this case. For most games the patches will fix errors but not really touch game rules but this is not the case here which will make things confusing. Also with the original release it was promised that not delivering a printed manual was partly because it would be updated which has not happened and this goes for both the full manual in pdf-form and the in game thing which is updated a little but hugely flawed.

Finally I don't hate Civ V. But I am disappointed in the quality - in my opinion they started selling the game in a beta stage and since then they have spend more effort doing costly DLC than they have fixing the problems. Sure I could have kept that to my self but surely it is relevant info in this place. Note - I have not just posted some dribble I have brought attention to an issue and linked to info so anyone can form their own opinion.

Jealous Deva

I would like to know what games that people are playing that they are comparing the latest civ 5 patch ai to.

Because I think there may be a fair bit of rose colored glasses going on here.

sumwar

Personally I've never had civ 5 crash on me, pc games can be buggy but I don't think its fair for me to call it buggy. That isn't to say others haven't had problem.

Mojo_Jojo

So, lets focus on the real issue here.

What does the GotY edition include beyond the game itself? Expansions?

Lawndart

Mojo_Jojo wrote:

So, lets focus on the real issue here.

What does the GotY edition include beyond the game itself? Expansions?

According to the press release it includes most of but not all of the DLC.

Edit: Which according to the forum post linked in the surprisingly cranky OP, means no Korea or Ancient Wonders DLC.

TheStig

I hope they're getting enough money from their DLC to make a full on expansion for this...

They haven't even announced that they're working on one

Mojo_Jojo

Hmm, a bunch of maps isn't quite as much as I was hoping for.

Now, an Alpha Centauri expansion. That would hit the spot.

Still, if this was to show up in a Steam sale, then I would be all over it.

eobet

Mojo_Jojo wrote:

Still, if this was to show up in a Steam sale, then I would be all over it.

You're a weekend too late...

Klyka

Crash problems? I have played the game since Day 1 for 100+ hours and never once did my game crash.

Mojo_Jojo

eobet wrote:

Mojo_Jojo wrote:

Still, if this was to show up in a Steam sale, then I would be all over it.

You're a weekend too late...

It's not out yet!

Future Blues

I'll chime in here and say that I'm one of the people who has sort of given up on Civ V.

I've never been able to get past the first turn in a multiplayer game (over LAN or internet) and in single player skirmishes I crash pretty consistently (even on small maps with few computer opponents) after the renaissance era (once the really long turns start) without fail despite having 8Gb and a video card and processor that runs everything modern at high or medium settings. My rig handles other games fine and I rarely get the slew of problems most people have with new games, but Civ V is a black sheep. It's unplayable.

I love the game, but I can't be bothered to play it and worry about saving constantly and/or restarting the application every 2 hours to avoid crashes that may happen anyway.

Henroid

BlindZenDriver wrote:

Henroid wrote:

So there's a chance this guy just hates Civ V for some reason and feels the need to campaign against it?

"This guy" - was it to hard to type my nick?

Seriously people - I am very sorry starting a new thread is offending but I suggest getting over it.

Typically when a thread is started about a game, it has positive connotations. If there are negative ones, it is evidenced by actual events / news stories. Everything you've had to say about the game is anecdotal at best, as far as I can tell, since many of the posts here refute your claims.

As for the 'this guy' thing, I do that a lot with people, it wasn't anything personal. In short, 'I suggest getting over it.' ;-)

BlindZenDriver wrote:

The reason I post is that it's likely the GOTY edition will see some marketing and in contrast to most games having there problems fixed by GOTY time that is not the case this time.

As evidenced by what? You need to show us something to prove this, not just say, "The game glitches when I play" or "I don't enjoy it." You're confusing fact and opinion there.

BlindZenDriver wrote:

As for the manual there are extra reasons to mention it in this case. For most games the patches will fix errors but not really touch game rules but this is not the case here which will make things confusing. Also with the original release it was promised that not delivering a printed manual was partly because it would be updated which has not happened and this goes for both the full manual in pdf-form and the in game thing which is updated a little but hugely flawed.

Most manuals for PC games contain clauses that updates to the game can invalidate things mentioned in the manual. I'm willing to bet this is the case for Civ V. Don't bother answering and telling me, "NUH UH," I'm gonna wait for someone else to mention it because I'm not taking your word on anything.

BlindZenDriver wrote:

Finally I don't hate Civ V. But I am disappointed in the quality - in my opinion they started selling the game in a beta stage and since then they have spend more effort doing costly DLC than they have fixing the problems. Sure I could have kept that to my self but surely it is relevant info in this place. Note - I have not just posted some dribble I have brought attention to an issue and linked to info so anyone can form their own opinion.

It's fine to not like a game. But when you jump in and say "WARNING, WARNING," people look at your opinion different. Especially since you're the thread maker. Furthermore, instead of apologizing for being aggressive in your opinion in the wake of many people here saying things are fine, contrary to what you say, you tackle it harder.

Henroid

Future Blues wrote:

I'll chime in here and say that I'm one of the people who has sort of given up on Civ V.

I've never been able to get past the first turn in a multiplayer game (over LAN or internet) and in single player skirmishes I crash pretty consistently (even on small maps with few computer opponents) after the renaissance era (once the really long turns start) without fail despite having 8Gb and a video card and processor that runs everything modern at high or medium settings. My rig handles other games fine and I rarely get the slew of problems most people have with new games, but Civ V is a black sheep. It's unplayable.

I love the game, but I can't be bothered to play it and worry about saving constantly and/or restarting the application every 2 hours to avoid crashes that may happen anyway.

Curious, have you contacted tech support, given over your Direct X diag dump, etc?

Free Giraffe Rides!!!

RainbowDespair wrote:

For the record, I've never had Civ V crash on me. Also the AI is pretty good with the most recent version of the game.

Well, if we're tossing out "it didn't crash for me" anecdotal evidence- It did crash for me, many times. High end computer, everything up to date, blah blah.

Lawndart

TheStig wrote:

I hope they're getting enough money from their DLC to make a full on expansion for this...

They haven't even announced that they're working on one

It seems like they've shifted from the Civ IV expansion model to a smaller-scale DLC model for Civ V, but maybe when they run out of scenarios and civilizations to add they'll add some new gameplay aspects.

Drez

Free Giraffe Rides!!! wrote:

RainbowDespair wrote:

For the record, I've never had Civ V crash on me. Also the AI is pretty good with the most recent version of the game.

Well, if we're tossing out "it didn't crash for me" anecdotal evidence- It did crash for me, many times. High end computer, everything up to date, blah blah.

It hasn't crashed for me.

I haven't actually tried to run the game yet though.

Future Blues

Henroid wrote:

Future Blues wrote:

I'll chime in here and say that I'm one of the people who has sort of given up on Civ V.

I've never been able to get past the first turn in a multiplayer game (over LAN or internet) and in single player skirmishes I crash pretty consistently (even on small maps with few computer opponents) after the renaissance era (once the really long turns start) without fail despite having 8Gb and a video card and processor that runs everything modern at high or medium settings. My rig handles other games fine and I rarely get the slew of problems most people have with new games, but Civ V is a black sheep. It's unplayable.

I love the game, but I can't be bothered to play it and worry about saving constantly and/or restarting the application every 2 hours to avoid crashes that may happen anyway.

Curious, have you contacted tech support, given over your Direct X diag dump, etc?

When a buddy and I were trying to get multiplayer working, I googled our problem (computer players never complete their first turn) and ended up with a few dead end forum threads and after that I just didn't bother. I haven't played it much since I lost two or three games I was pretty far along in because I forgot to save.

Spoit

But really, which civ V DLC are worth it?

BionicPenguin

Future Blues wrote:

Henroid wrote:

Future Blues wrote:

I'll chime in here and say that I'm one of the people who has sort of given up on Civ V.

I've never been able to get past the first turn in a multiplayer game (over LAN or internet) and in single player skirmishes I crash pretty consistently (even on small maps with few computer opponents) after the renaissance era (once the really long turns start) without fail despite having 8Gb and a video card and processor that runs everything modern at high or medium settings. My rig handles other games fine and I rarely get the slew of problems most people have with new games, but Civ V is a black sheep. It's unplayable.

I love the game, but I can't be bothered to play it and worry about saving constantly and/or restarting the application every 2 hours to avoid crashes that may happen anyway.

Curious, have you contacted tech support, given over your Direct X diag dump, etc?

When a buddy and I were trying to get multiplayer working, I googled our problem (computer players never complete their first turn) and ended up with a few dead end forum threads and after that I just didn't bother. I haven't played it much since I lost two or three games I was pretty far along in because I forgot to save.

You didn't have any autosaves? Did you turn that feature off?

12gauge

You know the one thing that pisses me off - the game is available for OSX and Windows, but the games are not compatible at the moment...granted, there is apparently a patch in the works, but it basically means I can't play with my GF unless she buys a copy of Windows fucking 7 because Lion decided to be a pain in the ass and not allow XP (which is a different story).

Bacon-BuTTy

I was amazed to find they had just removed the animations in multiplayer.

Apparently they were causing "problems" so they just removed the animations. Removed them.

Seriously, I couldn't believe that when I saw that.

A duck!

There's already a Civ thread.