I like when terrans bitch about infestors. They apparently think their marines should kill everything.
Well they don't have much choice because mutas
Sure. But Terran have a fantastic unit (Ghosts) that counters Infestors (Ghosts) pretty hard from a longer range than fungal (Ghosts) and can Snipe and murder other Zerg units really easily (Ghosts).
BUILD MOAR GHOSTS seriously they're like, the best unit Terran has.
I like when terrans bitch about infestors. They apparently think their marines should kill everything.
Well they don't have much choice because mutas
Sure. But Terran have a fantastic unit (Ghosts) that counters Infestors (Ghosts) pretty hard from a longer range than fungal (Ghosts) and can Snipe and murder other Zerg units really easily (Ghosts).
BUILD MOAR GHOSTS seriously they're like, the best unit Terran has.
No, that's the Marauder. Or Hellion. Or Banshee. Or whatever is in vogue these days.
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not to mention Thors suck against mutas in a straight up fight compared to marines. The only thing the Thor is good for is punishing hit and run attacks on your tanks, because of its huge range and high burst damage. The sustained damage of a marine army is much higher than a Thor army when it comes to ground to air, or so it seems whenever I watch a few thors tackle a muta ball.
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On the subject of SC2 on TV, I think the format could work. There's a few models you can use. You could emulate live Basketball, having rotating ads/banners that are everpresent. There's a handful of places on a SC stream where you could have static ads rotating. Instead of commercial breaks and 30sec of airtime, you can sell batches of 2 minutes of banner time.
The much easier alternative is PPV. But then you might as well just stream it off your computer.
Which brings us to the point, that Starcraft doesn't need to be on TV. Even for Barcrafts, people are just using internet streams.
not to mention Thors suck against mutas in a straight up fight compared to marines. The only thing the Thor is good for is punishing hit and run attacks on your tanks, because of its huge range and high burst damage. The sustained damage of a marine army is much higher than a Thor army when it comes to ground to air, or so it seems whenever I watch a few thors tackle a muta ball.
Yeah, seems like Thors are best used in conjunction with either marines or turrets, something to force the mutas to move around or not have a safe magic box.
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I still haven't seen anyone propose a solution to the fact that SC2 matches are so dynamic in their length. Until that's solved, we can't have live SC2 on TV. And pre-recording the shows isn't much of an answer because then a) it isn't live which is a bit drawcard and b) you can guess how the matches are going to go based on the length of the show.
not to mention Thors suck against mutas in a straight up fight compared to marines. The only thing the Thor is good for is punishing hit and run attacks on your tanks, because of its huge range and high burst damage. The sustained damage of a marine army is much higher than a Thor army when it comes to ground to air, or so it seems whenever I watch a few thors tackle a muta ball.
Thors are good to sprinkle with your army because they make marines way more effective against mutas. Mutas either have to run away or magic box, and if they magic box they basically have to be right on top of all the marines in order to do it.
I still haven't seen anyone propose a solution to the fact that SC2 matches are so dynamic in their length. Until that's solved, we can't have live SC2 on TV. And pre-recording the shows isn't much of an answer because then a) it isn't live which is a bit drawcard and b) you can guess how the matches are going to go based on the length of the show.
BW in Korea was on TV right? Correct me if I'm wrong but they had dedicated channels for that didn't they? That seems to be the only way to go. And when there isn't any live content to air, simply air prerecorded content such as Day9's show. It's definately possible to put it on TV. I just don't see the demand for it growing that much because streaming works so well.
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does anyone have a recommendation for any of the Starcraft universe novels that are reasonably okay?
My standards aren't high...I'm someone who has read a good 60-70% of the Star Wars Extended Universe novels and enjoyed nearly all of them, so no need to be too discerning...
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does anyone have a recommendation for any of the Starcraft universe novels that are reasonably okay?
My standards aren't high...I'm someone who has read a good 60-70% of the Star Wars Extended Universe novels and enjoyed nearly all of them, so no need to be too discerning...
Read most of them and Liberty's Crusade and Speed of Darkness are the only decent ones.
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does anyone have a recommendation for any of the Starcraft universe novels that are reasonably okay?
My standards aren't high...I'm someone who has read a good 60-70% of the Star Wars Extended Universe novels and enjoyed nearly all of them, so no need to be too discerning...
Read most of them and Liberty's Crusade and Speed of Darkness are the only decent ones.
Liberty's Crusade is pretty good.
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they don't need to have live games, at least at first. you would do something like a 1-2 hour show where you get content from, say, mlg. I think they'd be more concerned about the concept catching on than the excitement of following the tournament scene.
to us that may sound ridiculous but think about HD and Husky's enormous influence on the competitive scene. they didn't bring people in by have the freshest games per se, and they certainly weren't live, didn't contain results people were waiting for. they just had a product people wanted, they made it available and with a very accessible style.
it would be MLG making a deal with some channel, giving their best games, and either keeping the original casters or if necessary for some reason re-casting from replays.
at least that's what I think it would happen as. the last game would be spoiled because you'd know the length (still wouldn't know the winner) but it would be like opening up youtube and seeing how long husky's latest cast is. not ruinous, especially to the people you're trying to bring in.
Personally, I'm pretty against the idea of starcraft on TV. It would just get filtered and edited to fit into a 24 minute time slot, leaving fans unhappy and yet wouldn't let people who don't know the game get introduced to it.
The EXACT same situation happened to Drum Corps International (DCI).
For those of you not familiar with drum corps, it's basically a league of some of the best marching bands in the US. It has a pretty loyal and large fan base, and the people who love it absolutely fucking love it. For the longest time, the only way to watch performances was to order special VHS tapes from the organization that ran the whole thing, or to see it live. However, this proved unwieldy, because the performances and shows were far more popular, and sales of the video tapes struggled for the longest time, mainly because it was not a convenient process to order tapes of the performances. The executives up top were trying to figure out better ways to distribute these taped performances to people, but nothing really seemed to work (except for a small surge in popularity once they started releasing DVD's).
At the time, they thought it would be a great idea to try and figure out how to put the shows on television. They thought this would have a few advantages: One, people who wanted to see the performances but couldn't would be able to have an opportunity to see them. Not only this, but DCI could play ads for the DVD's, hopefully encouraging sales. Two, this would introduce a whole new market to the program, and start a new wave of interest in the sport.
So they contacted ESPN and started going through the process of putting drum corps on TV. Contrary to what you might think however, ESPN did not pay THEM for the air time. DCI as an organization had to pay to broadcast on ESPN 2, which was exorbitantly expensive. The next big hurdle they ran into was that because of the formatted nature of television (everything has to fit into 30/60 minute time slots) they were forced to heavily edit the performances, which left many fans unhappy and ultimately they didn't watch. The content matter was too bizarre for most regular viewers, and they didn't tune in either.
So what ended up happening was that DCI nearly went bankrupt because they were paying ESPN a huge sum of money to broadcast shows that no one was watching. Hardcore fans (us) wouldn't watch because the content just wasn't designed to work around a television format. New people wouldn't watch because who really wants to watch a whole bunch of marching bands for an hour, especially when you dont know anything about marching band.
After the whole TV debacle fell through, things looked really really rough for a few years. DCI almost fell through a number of times, the organization kept getting bail outs from some of the more successful competitors in the organization. What ended up revitalizing the whole thing was when they developed an internet content delivery program. On this website, you could stream performances of any group, from any year you wanted, instantly. The performances weren't edited, and there were a ton of extras involved for anyone that signed up. In short, DCI discovered the ideal medium to deliver their content.
To me, by going to TV, e-sports would essentially be making the same mistake. We already have the content in a place where it is easily accessible in the ideal format. It hasn't been edited to fit time restraints, and quite simply it works. Would putting starcraft 2 on TV attract more people to the scene? Maybe. Would any of us really want to watch it?
Probably not.
Also, because I marched DCI and I love the shit out of it, I'm going to shamelessly post some self-promotion
A pretty good hypothetical concept of what the new zerg unit is:
Spoiler
I imagine if it does an AoE ranged attack there will be some heavy limitations on the unit, like if it fires while burrowed then its burrow won't conceal it (basically a zerg siege tank). Or it will attack while burrowed and be concealed but the range will be like 5.
Because the reason zerg don't have a long ranged aoe damage attack unit like a siege tank or colossus right now is because it would be fucking ridiculous with fungal growth.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was like a zerg siege tank: decent attack while mobile, awesome attack when it burrows into the ground (but stays visible).
I very much doubt they'd just stick the "bio" stat on a siege tank and call it a day. Don't think blizzard is too hot on copying units over to other races, no matter how badly zerg need that ranged aoe. It'll have some other function, like spitting out little acid gobs on the ground that work like shitty psionic storms or something I dunno.
Edit: Or it'll be exactly like a siege tank but antiair only heh. Now that I think about maybe that wouldn't be so shitty after all if one or two of them twoshots medivacs...
Blizzard never unit copies in Starcraft but they do a ton of role copying, combining and removing certain aspects. Zergling/Zealot, Medivac/Warp Prism, Roach/Marauder, HT/Infestor, and so on.
Obviously we're talking about a siege tank-like bio unit whose strengths and weaknesses will probably twisted around but it will still serve a very similar purpose.
That would be cool if its attack was like an acid stream that hit one unit directly but created an acid pool that damaged surrounding units, and the splash damage would either build up in strength or size up to a certain point (as the acid pool widens I suppose).
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Sure. But Terran have a fantastic unit (Ghosts) that counters Infestors (Ghosts) pretty hard from a longer range than fungal (Ghosts) and can Snipe and murder other Zerg units really easily (Ghosts).
BUILD MOAR GHOSTS seriously they're like, the best unit Terran has.
No, that's the Marauder. Or Hellion. Or Banshee. Or whatever is in vogue these days.
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maybe you missed the unit they called the "thor" or "viking"
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Well, compared to Marines and Thors.
The much easier alternative is PPV. But then you might as well just stream it off your computer.
Which brings us to the point, that Starcraft doesn't need to be on TV. Even for Barcrafts, people are just using internet streams.
Thors are good to sprinkle with your army because they make marines way more effective against mutas. Mutas either have to run away or magic box, and if they magic box they basically have to be right on top of all the marines in order to do it.
But yeah Thors only aren't that good.
BW in Korea was on TV right? Correct me if I'm wrong but they had dedicated channels for that didn't they? That seems to be the only way to go. And when there isn't any live content to air, simply air prerecorded content such as Day9's show. It's definately possible to put it on TV. I just don't see the demand for it growing that much because streaming works so well.
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Read most of them and Liberty's Crusade and Speed of Darkness are the only decent ones.
Liberty's Crusade is pretty good.
to us that may sound ridiculous but think about HD and Husky's enormous influence on the competitive scene. they didn't bring people in by have the freshest games per se, and they certainly weren't live, didn't contain results people were waiting for. they just had a product people wanted, they made it available and with a very accessible style.
it would be MLG making a deal with some channel, giving their best games, and either keeping the original casters or if necessary for some reason re-casting from replays.
at least that's what I think it would happen as. the last game would be spoiled because you'd know the length (still wouldn't know the winner) but it would be like opening up youtube and seeing how long husky's latest cast is. not ruinous, especially to the people you're trying to bring in.
as people have pointed out, these things are not actually very good against mutas.
The EXACT same situation happened to Drum Corps International (DCI).
For those of you not familiar with drum corps, it's basically a league of some of the best marching bands in the US. It has a pretty loyal and large fan base, and the people who love it absolutely fucking love it. For the longest time, the only way to watch performances was to order special VHS tapes from the organization that ran the whole thing, or to see it live. However, this proved unwieldy, because the performances and shows were far more popular, and sales of the video tapes struggled for the longest time, mainly because it was not a convenient process to order tapes of the performances. The executives up top were trying to figure out better ways to distribute these taped performances to people, but nothing really seemed to work (except for a small surge in popularity once they started releasing DVD's).
At the time, they thought it would be a great idea to try and figure out how to put the shows on television. They thought this would have a few advantages: One, people who wanted to see the performances but couldn't would be able to have an opportunity to see them. Not only this, but DCI could play ads for the DVD's, hopefully encouraging sales. Two, this would introduce a whole new market to the program, and start a new wave of interest in the sport.
So they contacted ESPN and started going through the process of putting drum corps on TV. Contrary to what you might think however, ESPN did not pay THEM for the air time. DCI as an organization had to pay to broadcast on ESPN 2, which was exorbitantly expensive. The next big hurdle they ran into was that because of the formatted nature of television (everything has to fit into 30/60 minute time slots) they were forced to heavily edit the performances, which left many fans unhappy and ultimately they didn't watch. The content matter was too bizarre for most regular viewers, and they didn't tune in either.
So what ended up happening was that DCI nearly went bankrupt because they were paying ESPN a huge sum of money to broadcast shows that no one was watching. Hardcore fans (us) wouldn't watch because the content just wasn't designed to work around a television format. New people wouldn't watch because who really wants to watch a whole bunch of marching bands for an hour, especially when you dont know anything about marching band.
After the whole TV debacle fell through, things looked really really rough for a few years. DCI almost fell through a number of times, the organization kept getting bail outs from some of the more successful competitors in the organization. What ended up revitalizing the whole thing was when they developed an internet content delivery program. On this website, you could stream performances of any group, from any year you wanted, instantly. The performances weren't edited, and there were a ton of extras involved for anyone that signed up. In short, DCI discovered the ideal medium to deliver their content.
To me, by going to TV, e-sports would essentially be making the same mistake. We already have the content in a place where it is easily accessible in the ideal format. It hasn't been edited to fit time restraints, and quite simply it works. Would putting starcraft 2 on TV attract more people to the scene? Maybe. Would any of us really want to watch it?
Probably not.
Also, because I marched DCI and I love the shit out of it, I'm going to shamelessly post some self-promotion
People are rapidly moving away from using TVs.
Because the reason zerg don't have a long ranged aoe damage attack unit like a siege tank or colossus right now is because it would be fucking ridiculous with fungal growth.
Edit: Or it'll be exactly like a siege tank but antiair only heh. Now that I think about maybe that wouldn't be so shitty after all if one or two of them twoshots medivacs...
Obviously we're talking about a siege tank-like bio unit whose strengths and weaknesses will probably twisted around but it will still serve a very similar purpose.
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