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[Mass Effect] “My God,” the asari Council member said feelingly.
Drakensang river of time. Avernum 6? Xenoblade chronicles? Divinity 2. These games aren't a decade old, and all of them have a decent degree of customization.
You don't need to take a hacksaw to RPG elements to improve and polish them. Xenoblade chronicles has one of the most stat heavy rpg systems I've seen in a bit. While it's absolutely adorable you'd apply the special snowflake argument, I, as a fan of classic PC RPGs in general, have been reminded over the last 5 years just how not-special, marginalized, and overall ignored, if not outright mocked my demographic is, so yeah, thanks dude, I noticed, I think we all did?
Needless to say, I saw where bioware was going after awakenings. I won't buy DA2 at any price, won't be buying ME3 despite owning the other two on multiple platforms, and won't be getting the old republic. Instead I'll be tossing cash at Jeff Vogel, Runic games and Pirahna bytes.
Again. That's the thing.
Maybe they aren't trying to fit their game into what you feel an RPG is. Maybe they're trying to create their own kind of game.
Mass Effect has never been a classic RPG. It's always been an action-based one. And since it is for the most part a genre that's only been picking up steam in recent years there have been growing pains.
If you can't accept that games...and hell...everything changes, I can't help you.
As for you not buying Mass Effect 3, well, I mean that's your decision and I'm sure those people you're tossing your cash at will appreciate it. I don't know why you're following a thread for the game though. I mean when I don't want to buy stuff I usually ignore it.
Drakensang river of time. Avernum 6? Xenoblade chronicles? Divinity 2. These games aren't a decade old, and all of them have a decent degree of customization.
You don't need to take a hacksaw to RPG elements to improve and polish them. Xenoblade chronicles has one of the most stat heavy rpg systems I've seen in a bit. While it's absolutely adorable you'd apply the special snowflake argument, I, as a fan of classic PC RPGs in general, have been reminded over the last 5 years just how not-special, marginalized, and overall ignored, if not outright mocked my demographic is, so yeah, thanks dude, I noticed, I think we all did?
Needless to say, I saw where bioware was going after awakenings. I won't buy DA2 at any price, won't be buying ME3 despite owning the other two on multiple platforms, and won't be getting the old republic. Instead I'll be tossing cash at Jeff Vogel, Runic games and Pirahna bytes.
DA2 was done well given the very short development time they had, blame EA for that being rushed out, not Bioware.
And like others have said, I don't think Bioware is aiming for the classic RPG that you want.
Weapon modding coming back is good. I'd like to see armor pieces in ME3 have more significant bonuses, but otherwise I liked the system just fine. I'm fine with ammo mods as abilities.
The execution of equipment in ME1 was terrible. No real tactical choices, just take the shit with the best stats. There were no real trade-offs to make once you made it far enough in to be able to afford Spectre stuff. The handful of guns in ME2 were a massive improvement. Improve the variety just a bit in ME3 and we're good.
I'd kind of like to see ME1 style skill development come back, with the ME2 style evolutions. I hated the lack of granularity in the skill bars and being stuck at level 30 with spare points. Having to invest 4 points in one skill chunk is irritating.
More skills in general, of course. Particularly for squadmates. ME1 had a good number here, though obviously stuff like paragon/renegade/armor/weapons would be gone.
Fortunately, from I understand most of this indeed happening.
The weapon/armor mods were pretty bare. It was 1) make it fire forever 2) increase its damage. Who ever mained phasic rounds or barely-increased enemy cooldowns over the alternatives? Armor was +DR/shields, +regen, or cooldown, since things like physics threshold did literally nothing (stack two combat exos and try the biotic freighter) and mobile accuracy or toxin resistance etc. were hardly relevant.
I like "deep" and "interesting" things. ME1's incrementals were anything but, so let's not lionize them as some kind of stat glory, or adopt the silly fallacy that they're the only possible implementation of gear customization. I know barely anything about ME3's customization and I can already wager it'll be better.
Drakensang river of time. Avernum 6? Xenoblade chronicles? Divinity 2. These games aren't a decade old, and all of them have a decent degree of customization.
You don't need to take a hacksaw to RPG elements to improve and polish them. Xenoblade chronicles has one of the most stat heavy rpg systems I've seen in a bit. While it's absolutely adorable you'd apply the special snowflake argument, I, as a fan of classic PC RPGs in general, have been reminded over the last 5 years just how not-special, marginalized, and overall ignored, if not outright mocked my demographic is, so yeah, thanks dude, I noticed, I think we all did?
Needless to say, I saw where bioware was going after awakenings. I won't buy DA2 at any price, won't be buying ME3 despite owning the other two on multiple platforms, and won't be getting the old republic. Instead I'll be tossing cash at Jeff Vogel, Runic games and Pirahna bytes.
Again. That's the thing.
Maybe they aren't trying to fit their game into what you feel an RPG is. Maybe they're trying to create their own kind of game.
Mass Effect has never been a classic RPG. It's always been an action-based one. And since it is for the most part a genre that's only been picking up steam in recent years there have been growing pains.
If you can't accept that games...and hell...everything changes, I can't help you.
As for you not buying Mass Effect 3, well, I mean that's your decision and I'm sure those people you're tossing your cash at will appreciate it. I don't know why you're following a thread for the game though. I mean when I don't want to buy stuff I usually ignore it.
Right ok, since reading is rough and tumble I'll break this down again.
Now lets take your line:
If you can't accept that games...and hell...everything changes, I can't help you.
Maybe they aren't trying to fit their game into what you feel an RPG is. Maybe they're trying to create their own kind of game.
These, of course, suggest that I have not grasped this trend of change in gaming over the past twenty years.
Now lets take my line:
I, as a fan of classic PC RPGs in general, have been reminded over the last 5 years just how not-special, marginalized, and overall ignored, if not outright mocked my demographic is, so yeah, thanks dude, I noticed, I think we all did?
Now this suggests I like classic style RPGs and know that they are no longer being made with the frequency they once were, fans of that specific genre, are often painted as stupid in conversations, or slow to adapt, and that I understand that, but that can't be! I can't possibly understand change, I'm a fan of classic rpgs, I've never seen anything change, and now that everything is changing I'm just slow to adapt.
Now let me state this at the speed you expect.
Me like stats and stuff! , wish bioware fix boring stats and stuff, expand fun stats and stuff, but bioware smash stats , everybody want be bioware, they smash stats too . Me sad. They smash stats until COD has better stats and stuff. Me sad about games, for many, many years. Me not buy as many games as before . Me understand, accessability, hope, change, very important, more important than stat, but me still sad. Me still not buy game . Me notice too, some guys make game, with stat, me like! Guys like old bioware, before new bioware, me happy, me buy games in list up top! They new! But me still tell me not happy new bioware. Internet wonderful tubes.
Also Renegade, sorry, bioware and EA are the same company now. In fact, from one of the doctors themselves:
"BioWare has a message for critical fans who blame the company's perceived inadequacies on its corporate overlords at Electronic Arts. "I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer."
I honestly think ME2's combat is a better shooter on its own merits than most dedicated shooters. I like Gears 3's combat more, but ME2 is just fun to play and I've started several files just to replay the combat. ME3 will be even better.
the kind of brutality you can unleash on the locust absolutely needs to be unleashed on the batarians, and so far Bioware has not delivered on this front
The most interesting thing about ME2 is how it's shone a light on the number of RPG fans who are apparently most attached to sorting through huge inventories for incremental upgrades.
Apparently it's more about the spreadsheet then the story or gameplay.
the kind of brutality you can unleash on the locust absolutely needs to be unleashed on the batarians, and so far Bioware has not delivered on this front
Well..Shepard did blow up a star system containing a colony of hundreds of thousands of Batarians.
the kind of brutality you can unleash on the locust absolutely needs to be unleashed on the batarians, and so far Bioware has not delivered on this front
True. True.
Of course, I don't think Gears of War allows you to burn a Batarian alive and then throw his worthless against a wall so hard he turns into pulp.
the kind of brutality you can unleash on the locust absolutely needs to be unleashed on the batarians, and so far Bioware has not delivered on this front
Well..Shepard did blow up a star system containing a colony of hundreds of thousands of Batarians.
the kind of brutality you can unleash on the locust absolutely needs to be unleashed on the batarians, and so far Bioware has not delivered on this front
Curbstomp, grenade shoved into chest, chainsaw to the chest, double chainsaw to the chest... yes, yes, Shepard needs these options!
Also..Batarians are hardly the galaxy's biggest problem at the moment, so I doubt we'll see much of them in ME 3. Between the Reapers attacking the galaxy and Cerberus out to hunt Shep, s/he won't exactly have time to deal with minor annoyances like Batarians.
ME 2 had plenty of Batarian-killing fanservice anyway.
Drakensang river of time. Avernum 6? Xenoblade chronicles? Divinity 2. These games aren't a decade old, and all of them have a decent degree of customization.
You don't need to take a hacksaw to RPG elements to improve and polish them. Xenoblade chronicles has one of the most stat heavy rpg systems I've seen in a bit. While it's absolutely adorable you'd apply the special snowflake argument, I, as a fan of classic PC RPGs in general, have been reminded over the last 5 years just how not-special, marginalized, and overall ignored, if not outright mocked my demographic is, so yeah, thanks dude, I noticed, I think we all did?
Needless to say, I saw where bioware was going after awakenings. I won't buy DA2 at any price, won't be buying ME3 despite owning the other two on multiple platforms, and won't be getting the old republic. Instead I'll be tossing cash at Jeff Vogel, Runic games and Pirahna bytes.
Again. That's the thing.
Maybe they aren't trying to fit their game into what you feel an RPG is. Maybe they're trying to create their own kind of game.
Mass Effect has never been a classic RPG. It's always been an action-based one. And since it is for the most part a genre that's only been picking up steam in recent years there have been growing pains.
If you can't accept that games...and hell...everything changes, I can't help you.
As for you not buying Mass Effect 3, well, I mean that's your decision and I'm sure those people you're tossing your cash at will appreciate it. I don't know why you're following a thread for the game though. I mean when I don't want to buy stuff I usually ignore it.
Right ok, since reading is rough and tumble I'll break this down again.
Now lets take your line:
If you can't accept that games...and hell...everything changes, I can't help you.
Maybe they aren't trying to fit their game into what you feel an RPG is. Maybe they're trying to create their own kind of game.
These, of course, suggest that I have not grasped this trend of change in gaming over the past twenty years.
Now lets take my line:
I, as a fan of classic PC RPGs in general, have been reminded over the last 5 years just how not-special, marginalized, and overall ignored, if not outright mocked my demographic is, so yeah, thanks dude, I noticed, I think we all did?
Now this suggests I like classic style RPGs and know that they are no longer being made with the frequency they once were, fans of that specific genre, are often painted as stupid in conversations, or slow to adapt, and that I understand that, but that can't be! I can't possibly understand change, I'm a fan of classic rpgs, I've never seen anything change, and now that everything is changing I'm just slow to adapt.
Now let me state this at the speed you expect.
Me like stats and stuff! , wish bioware fix boring stats and stuff, expand fun stats and stuff, but bioware smash stats , everybody want be bioware, they smash stats too . Me sad. They smash stats until COD has better stats and stuff. Me sad about games, for many, many years. Me not buy as many games as before . Me understand, accessability, hope, change, very important, more important than stat, but me still sad. Me still not buy game . Me notice too, some guys make game, with stat, me like! Guys like old bioware, before new bioware, me happy, me buy games in list up top! They new! But me still tell me not happy new bioware. Internet wonderful tubes.
Also Renegade, sorry, bioware and EA are the same company now. In fact, from one of the doctors themselves:
"BioWare has a message for critical fans who blame the company's perceived inadequacies on its corporate overlords at Electronic Arts. "I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer."
So basically what you're saying is what I've been saying all along. You're mad that Bioware isn't making the type of game you want them to make.
So for the sake of keeping things simple I'll make this short and sweet.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
i don't think @reddeath knows what the word "optional" means
Also..Batarians are hardly the galaxy's biggest problem at the moment, so I doubt we'll see much of them in ME 3. Between the Reapers attacking the galaxy and Cerberus out to hunt Shep, s/he won't exactly have time to deal with minor annoyances like Batarians.
ME 2 had plenty of Batarian-killing fanservice anyway.
The Reapers will probably induct the Batarians as auxiliaries halfway through the game. And then you will want an omni-saw.
I would bet money on us working with some Batarians to enlist their aid at some point, maybe a temporary henchman. What with the Leviathan of Dis and all that.
If you attempt to try and recruit the Batarian's Shepard is automatically thrown into a Batarian prison. The game then precedes to give you a game over and delete the save.
I would bet money on us working with some Batarians to enlist their aid at some point, maybe a temporary henchman. What with the Leviathan of Dis and all that.
Remember what was already said...."Bioware is the best at trolling their own fanbase."
Man, you guys are going to be so mad when we get a Batarian squadmate.
His loyalty mission will be bombing a London orphanage.
My safeguard against the mandatory batarian romance (all genders) will be Ashley, whose racist tendencies I spent an entire game encouraging and who has proven herself happy to gun down an alien in broad daylight.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
I would bet money on us working with some Batarians to enlist their aid at some point, maybe a temporary henchman. What with the Leviathan of Dis and all that.
Remember what was already said...."Bioware is the best at trolling their own fanbase."
Heh....heh heh.
I mean think about it.
Why do you think its taken so long for them to announce the next squadmate?
They're going to wait until the demo in January, when you're already hooked.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
So basically what you're saying is what I've been saying all along. You're mad that Bioware isn't making the type of game you want them to make.
So for the sake of keeping things simple I'll make this short and sweet.
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I know right, I'm pretty funny, and super cool, it's because of all the reading, writing, and talking, it led to conversating, understanding, and groove.
So check this out:
"You're +mad+ that Bioware isn't making the type of game you want them to make."
When actually,
I said pretty clearly I'm sad, and that implies disappointment, yes, but not wrath. My style of dealing with it, will mirror how I've been dealing with bioware since dragon age 2, not funneling parts of my stacks of money dollars into their content platforms, and occasionally posting on the internet like, hey bioware, plz make with the baldurs gate style again, check it out, I'll pay you money dollars(that this is increasingly frequently met with hurf durf u mad bro, is disheartening, but hey, lolopinions).
Saying you aren't buying something, isn't like stating you are some wrathful mongrel. You use a forum to share opinion and stuff. Thats groovy. I'm trying to make this your speed, but I just don't know if thats possible when you seem so intent on painting me with the u mad bro brush, and I kinda touched on that in post #1 there(again with the reading stuff, right?).
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
I'm not trying to paint you in any brush. You were the one who decided to lose in it that last post, I was just making fun of that because I don't take the internet seriously. I mean honestly, your petty insults amuse me if anything.
That being said. As far as I'm concerned this discussion has ran its course. I've said my piece, you've said yours, and I can't see anything else of value being obtained from it.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
Dragkonias, you are a gentleman and a scholar. I salute you. :^:
"excuse my French
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
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Again. That's the thing.
Maybe they aren't trying to fit their game into what you feel an RPG is. Maybe they're trying to create their own kind of game.
Mass Effect has never been a classic RPG. It's always been an action-based one. And since it is for the most part a genre that's only been picking up steam in recent years there have been growing pains.
If you can't accept that games...and hell...everything changes, I can't help you.
As for you not buying Mass Effect 3, well, I mean that's your decision and I'm sure those people you're tossing your cash at will appreciate it. I don't know why you're following a thread for the game though. I mean when I don't want to buy stuff I usually ignore it.
DA2 was done well given the very short development time they had, blame EA for that being rushed out, not Bioware.
And like others have said, I don't think Bioware is aiming for the classic RPG that you want.
The execution of equipment in ME1 was terrible. No real tactical choices, just take the shit with the best stats. There were no real trade-offs to make once you made it far enough in to be able to afford Spectre stuff. The handful of guns in ME2 were a massive improvement. Improve the variety just a bit in ME3 and we're good.
I'd kind of like to see ME1 style skill development come back, with the ME2 style evolutions. I hated the lack of granularity in the skill bars and being stuck at level 30 with spare points. Having to invest 4 points in one skill chunk is irritating.
More skills in general, of course. Particularly for squadmates. ME1 had a good number here, though obviously stuff like paragon/renegade/armor/weapons would be gone.
Fortunately, from I understand most of this indeed happening.
I like "deep" and "interesting" things. ME1's incrementals were anything but, so let's not lionize them as some kind of stat glory, or adopt the silly fallacy that they're the only possible implementation of gear customization. I know barely anything about ME3's customization and I can already wager it'll be better.
it is ironically Story Mode which de-emphasizes the importance of customization, but nobody seems to be mad at that one
Right ok, since reading is rough and tumble I'll break this down again.
Now lets take your line:
If you can't accept that games...and hell...everything changes, I can't help you.
Maybe they aren't trying to fit their game into what you feel an RPG is. Maybe they're trying to create their own kind of game.
These, of course, suggest that I have not grasped this trend of change in gaming over the past twenty years.
Now lets take my line:
I, as a fan of classic PC RPGs in general, have been reminded over the last 5 years just how not-special, marginalized, and overall ignored, if not outright mocked my demographic is, so yeah, thanks dude, I noticed, I think we all did?
Now this suggests I like classic style RPGs and know that they are no longer being made with the frequency they once were, fans of that specific genre, are often painted as stupid in conversations, or slow to adapt, and that I understand that, but that can't be! I can't possibly understand change, I'm a fan of classic rpgs, I've never seen anything change, and now that everything is changing I'm just slow to adapt.
Now let me state this at the speed you expect.
Me like stats and stuff!
Also Renegade, sorry, bioware and EA are the same company now. In fact, from one of the doctors themselves:
"BioWare has a message for critical fans who blame the company's perceived inadequacies on its corporate overlords at Electronic Arts. "I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer."
from:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/03/bioware-founders-we-make-the-decisions-not-ea/3
I picture Story Mode being like Deus Ex's "Tell Me A Story" mode, only much more literal.
Does Gears of War have Charge? No?
Fuck Gears of War.
the kind of brutality you can unleash on the locust absolutely needs to be unleashed on the batarians, and so far Bioware has not delivered on this front
Apparently it's more about the spreadsheet then the story or gameplay.
Well..Shepard did blow up a star system containing a colony of hundreds of thousands of Batarians.
True. True.
Of course, I don't think Gears of War allows you to burn a Batarian alive and then throw his worthless against a wall so hard he turns into pulp.
It's so .. impersonal though.
this is impressive, sure
but have you beaten Gears 3?
Curbstomp, grenade shoved into chest, chainsaw to the chest, double chainsaw to the chest... yes, yes, Shepard needs these options!
Can't say that I have, no.
Also..Batarians are hardly the galaxy's biggest problem at the moment, so I doubt we'll see much of them in ME 3. Between the Reapers attacking the galaxy and Cerberus out to hunt Shep, s/he won't exactly have time to deal with minor annoyances like Batarians.
ME 2 had plenty of Batarian-killing fanservice anyway.
Of course, we might also have to make nice with them to save the galaxy or something too.
Haha...you're funny, dude.
So basically what you're saying is what I've been saying all along. You're mad that Bioware isn't making the type of game you want them to make.
So for the sake of keeping things simple I'll make this short and sweet.
The Reapers will probably induct the Batarians as auxiliaries halfway through the game. And then you will want an omni-saw.
Peace with batarians isn't a price I'm willing to pay to save the galaxy.
I would bet money on us working with some Batarians to enlist their aid at some point, maybe a temporary henchman. What with the Leviathan of Dis and all that.
Remember what was already said...."Bioware is the best at trolling their own fanbase."
Heh....heh heh.
His loyalty mission will be bombing a London orphanage.
My safeguard against the mandatory batarian romance (all genders) will be Ashley, whose racist tendencies I spent an entire game encouraging and who has proven herself happy to gun down an alien in broad daylight.
I mean think about it.
Why do you think its taken so long for them to announce the next squadmate?
They're going to wait until the demo in January, when you're already hooked.
Would it make you more or less angry to find out in ME3 that the Reapers have destroyed all Batarians off screen before the game starts?
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
Haha...you're funny, dude.
So basically what you're saying is what I've been saying all along. You're mad that Bioware isn't making the type of game you want them to make.
So for the sake of keeping things simple I'll make this short and sweet.
I know right, I'm pretty funny, and super cool, it's because of all the reading, writing, and talking, it led to conversating, understanding, and groove.
So check this out:
"You're +mad+ that Bioware isn't making the type of game you want them to make."
When actually,
I said pretty clearly I'm sad, and that implies disappointment, yes, but not wrath. My style of dealing with it, will mirror how I've been dealing with bioware since dragon age 2, not funneling parts of my stacks of money dollars into their content platforms, and occasionally posting on the internet like, hey bioware, plz make with the baldurs gate style again, check it out, I'll pay you money dollars(that this is increasingly frequently met with hurf durf u mad bro, is disheartening, but hey, lolopinions).
Saying you aren't buying something, isn't like stating you are some wrathful mongrel. You use a forum to share opinion and stuff. Thats groovy. I'm trying to make this your speed, but I just don't know if thats possible when you seem so intent on painting me with the u mad bro brush, and I kinda touched on that in post #1 there(again with the reading stuff, right?).
That being said. As far as I'm concerned this discussion has ran its course. I've said my piece, you've said yours, and I can't see anything else of value being obtained from it.
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
Well now you're just being a goose.