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So, I want to get a nice camera. Currently, I use a partially broken Canon SD780 that's about 3 years old, and has been in some pretty rough situations. I definitely like its results, but sometimes it feels a little lacking (mainly low-light situations, and for built-in artsy fartsy settings). I'm not quite sure what features I really NEED, but I would like good low light performance and video. Definitely not looking for a DSLR, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the smallest point-and-shoot. I'm not really sure about removable lenses either. I guess it might be good? Who knows. Any recommendations?
Note: I have a bunch of SDHC cards, so, it'd be nice to be able to use them
i have been wanting to get a canon S95 myself, sounds like what you want. plus you can take advantage of the canon loyalty program. basically trade in any semi/non-working camera and get a discount on a refurb
The Canon S100 just released or is about to release, and it is phenomenal in low light situations for a point & shoot. The quality of its high ISO shots is very impressive. It does video well, also. I don't know where it stands on built-in artsy settings.
The Olympus XZ-1 also looks really really good. For my needs, I'd pick it over the S100. It also does well in low light, but through a large aperture f/1.8 lens that doesn't close down a ton when you zoom in like the S100 and most other point and shoots do. It's higher ISO quality isn't as good as the S100, so light-wise it's a choice between a brighter lens or sensor/processor wizardry. It also features a selection of artsy settings. The XZ-1 loses in the video category, though, since it records in the motion JPG format.
I'd also recommend looking into the Panasonic Lumix LX5. It's right up there with the above two cameras, and when I was doing research just a few weeks ago on a point & shoot for someone who likes SLR cameras those were the three I narrowed things down to.
Cool, thanks for the suggestions. That S100 looks nice, but I'll have to do a more in depth comparison with the XZ-1
Would it be worth it to look at some of the non-SLR removable lens cameras? I suppose I wouldn't mind carrying around two lenses and a body so long as they weren't super bulky if it'd give me more options and better quality.
Unless you're really willing to sink a lot of cash into the system, I wouldn't advise an EVIL (non-SLR) interchangeable lens system. To get the most out of an interchangeable lens system you need to buy some decent lenses, which will produce phenomenal images but which also cost a comparable mint. The S95/S100 is by far (so, so far) your best bet for a good high-ISO compact camera. The only other comparable beast might be a Canon G12, which has the same sensor as an S95 but a few more bells and whistles (longer on the telephoto end of the zoom, built in ND filters, faster max shutter speed, articulated LCD) at the cost of being only slightly smaller than the Isle of Man.
If you can give a precise budget it'll be much easier to give advice. Based on what you've said so far, the Canon S-series would be your best bet, followed by the G12 if you want a slightly better camera at the cost of portability followed distantly by some EVIL camera and a $1k+ set of lenses.
Yea, $500 is my UPPER UPPER limit, and I'd like to keep it under that. I was thinking maybe a rangefinder style with a kit lens, and then maybe upgrade later, but if it's not worth it, it's not worth it.
It's a bit bleeding edge (so new there are no hands-on reviews), but the Fuji X10 looks really promising. Bigger sensor (meaning area, not pixel density) than other enthusiast P&S, and interesting sounding "high-sensitivity" and "wide dynamic range" modes. When some reviews come out maybe we'll know if that's marketspeak or meaningful.
When you say you're definitely not looking for an SLR, what are your reasons for avoiding them?
Size and cost, mostly. I'd much rather prefer something I can slip in and out of my pocket/hip pouch on my backpack. I had a D40 a while back, and just never used it because the Canon was so much more convenient. If you think you can convince me otherwise though, go for it. I'll certainly entertain them if a good argument is made, I just don't know enough to make that argument myself.
When you say you're definitely not looking for an SLR, what are your reasons for avoiding them?
Size and cost, mostly. I'd much rather prefer something I can slip in and out of my pocket/hip pouch on my backpack. I had a D40 a while back, and just never used it because the Canon was so much more convenient. If you think you can convince me otherwise though, go for it. I'll certainly entertain them if a good argument is made, I just don't know enough to make that argument myself.
This is a good argument to not bother with anything with removable lenses.
My argument for SLRs was going to be that the smaller bodied ones, like the D40, aren't that much bigger than the non-SLR removable lens ones you're looking into, especially if you get a smaller lens, and the performance is miles ahead of any of the point & shoots you're looking into. If the D40 was too big for you to actually use it, then you should stick to the point & shoots listed in this thread. You might want to scratch the G12 off the list, since as was mentioned it's pretty hefty and not all that much better than the S95 or S100.
That's a good point. I take it on camping trips/long cycling trips, so ruggedness would be pretty nice. I'd say it's a 60/40 split between outdoorsy use (including winter stuff) and casual use (like concerts, parties, etc). How's the quality compare to similar standard point and shoot cameras? Do you have too sacrifice for the extra durability?
in my experience with an older pentax waterproof, head to head, it probably took slightly lower quality photos but it really wasn't that noticeable. I would imagine that cameras newer than mine would be much better
If you want an interchangeable lens camera but don't want the bulk, might I recommend a Sony NEX-C3? It goes for around $500, but it is a fantastic camera for the price. If I didn't already have a camera, I would love to get my hands on it.
I have a Sony Nex, and it is fantastic! Not really something you can stick in your pocket, but if you get the one with the pancake lens it's much more portable.
That's a good point. I take it on camping trips/long cycling trips, so ruggedness would be pretty nice. I'd say it's a 60/40 split between outdoorsy use (including winter stuff) and casual use (like concerts, parties, etc). How's the quality compare to similar standard point and shoot cameras? Do you have too sacrifice for the extra durability?
My wife just got that exact same camera. We wanted the ruggedness so we wouldn't have to worry about dropping it, or about it getting damaged if we take it to the beach or something.
It's a good reliable camera, but you're getting a little bit less camera-wise than you would for a non-rugged camera, and it's certainly not as capable as the S100 or the XZ-1, just capability-wise. The rugged Panasonic is a lot cheaper than those, though.
It's impossible to find a camera that will do every single thing great. You really have to figure out what features are most important to you. The rugged Panasonic will definitely be a lot safer to bring along camping, wouldn't be at as big a risk from falling while cycling, and would do better in wet outdoor cold weather activities. It won't be able to do cool flashless pictures in dark concerts like the S100 might be able to.
I have a Sony Nex, and it is fantastic! Not really something you can stick in your pocket, but if you get the one with the pancake lens it's much more portable.
I have the pancake lens, I'd rather I'd bout the zoom lens to be honest.
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The Olympus XZ-1 also looks really really good. For my needs, I'd pick it over the S100. It also does well in low light, but through a large aperture f/1.8 lens that doesn't close down a ton when you zoom in like the S100 and most other point and shoots do. It's higher ISO quality isn't as good as the S100, so light-wise it's a choice between a brighter lens or sensor/processor wizardry. It also features a selection of artsy settings. The XZ-1 loses in the video category, though, since it records in the motion JPG format.
I'd also recommend looking into the Panasonic Lumix LX5. It's right up there with the above two cameras, and when I was doing research just a few weeks ago on a point & shoot for someone who likes SLR cameras those were the three I narrowed things down to.
Would it be worth it to look at some of the non-SLR removable lens cameras? I suppose I wouldn't mind carrying around two lenses and a body so long as they weren't super bulky if it'd give me more options and better quality.
If you can give a precise budget it'll be much easier to give advice. Based on what you've said so far, the Canon S-series would be your best bet, followed by the G12 if you want a slightly better camera at the cost of portability followed distantly by some EVIL camera and a $1k+ set of lenses.
Size and cost, mostly. I'd much rather prefer something I can slip in and out of my pocket/hip pouch on my backpack. I had a D40 a while back, and just never used it because the Canon was so much more convenient. If you think you can convince me otherwise though, go for it. I'll certainly entertain them if a good argument is made, I just don't know enough to make that argument myself.
This is a good argument to not bother with anything with removable lenses.
I went nuts and read a ton of reviews and its probably one of the best rugged digital cameras on the market right now. I don't know what kind of stuff you're into, but this thing is a beast. I can take it anywhere.
That's a good point. I take it on camping trips/long cycling trips, so ruggedness would be pretty nice. I'd say it's a 60/40 split between outdoorsy use (including winter stuff) and casual use (like concerts, parties, etc). How's the quality compare to similar standard point and shoot cameras? Do you have too sacrifice for the extra durability?
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Lumix+DMC-TS3&f=hp
It has burst mode, HDR, and all sorts of other neat adjustable features.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzSYPPQxCh4&feature=channel_video_title
My wife just got that exact same camera. We wanted the ruggedness so we wouldn't have to worry about dropping it, or about it getting damaged if we take it to the beach or something.
It's a good reliable camera, but you're getting a little bit less camera-wise than you would for a non-rugged camera, and it's certainly not as capable as the S100 or the XZ-1, just capability-wise. The rugged Panasonic is a lot cheaper than those, though.
It's impossible to find a camera that will do every single thing great. You really have to figure out what features are most important to you. The rugged Panasonic will definitely be a lot safer to bring along camping, wouldn't be at as big a risk from falling while cycling, and would do better in wet outdoor cold weather activities. It won't be able to do cool flashless pictures in dark concerts like the S100 might be able to.
I have the pancake lens, I'd rather I'd bout the zoom lens to be honest.