I think this thread is useful feedback for Gabe & Tycho. A reminder that despite the evidence of benevolent and good-feelingness generated by Child's Play and the aura of rarified awesome that they walk in daily, most Penny Arcade fans definitely retain a misanthropic comedy mindset, and are reading it because they don't find Family Circus funny.
speaking personally i love moments of warmth and sincerity mixed with humor
they're just better when they're well earned and usually in a serial format
it is just a bad time to be making nerdy 'the reference is the joke' jokes
backlash, yo
A bad time huh? Did something happen to make it a bad time?
Just yesterday we had Scott and Kris release "My Fandom Is Like Voltron." It makes fun of references for the sake of references and such. So yeah, together there's an odd juxtaposition, if nothing else.
I was mainly put off by the non-PA nature of the guest comic. There's no acknowledgement of this comic being on Penny Arcade in any form. I demand some good audience pandering. And if it's not going to be specifically a Penny Arcade (Tycho/Gabe) centric affair, it should at least be focused on video games.
In all seriousness, you're right: it's just really not a style of humor which the Penny Arcade audience usually appreciates and certainly not what we've come to expect. Unfortunately for all concerned...it was posted on the PA website.
That said...alright, yeah, kind of a crappy guest comic. We've had those before. The creators were doing Tycho and Gabe a favor and they deserve some appreciation for that even if we don't like the result. There's really no need to keep raging about it or rage about others raging about it, may as well just move on and see what Friday brings.
The Good: This comic has raised 1,000 dollars for charity thus far!
The Bad: The comic itself and its reception.
And the Ugly: The comic has ruined someones birthday!
The sudo joke is definitely directly referencing XKCD but it's extremely awkward, forced, and unnatural for her to pull it out there. There's a lot of things that could be done to the third panel to make it flow better, such as making the sudo joke an explict callback to where she's reminding him of a previous time she got him to do something for her via nerdy references or to have her try it again to let her stay up past bedtime and him replying it only works once.
(Seriously, I know it's a weird thing to fixate on, but her hands throw me off. That one literally grows to the size of her head...and it just looks so...meaty)
I think this thread is useful feedback for Gabe & Tycho. A reminder that despite the evidence of benevolent and good-feelingness generated by Child's Play and the aura of rarified awesome that they walk in daily, most Penny Arcade fans definitely retain a misanthropic comedy mindset, and are reading it because they don't find Family Circus funny.
That or sometimes a bad comic will come up in the series and it's not a sign of things going south or anything being done wrong and is instead your taste just not being fulfilled temporarily.
The sudo joke is definitely directly referencing XKCD but it's extremely awkward, forced, and unnatural for her to pull it out there. There's a lot of things that could be done to the third panel to make it flow better, such as making the sudo joke an explict callback to where she's reminding him of a previous time she got him to do something for her via nerdy references or to have her try it again to let her stay up past bedtime and him replying it only works once.
Also, perhaps fewer uses of the word "daddy". I figured out it was his kid at the point that it said "...WHEN MY KID WAS 8.]" 3 times in one panel and 5 times in total felt a bit excessive. I haven't read Scalzi's books, but surely he must be better at dialogue than this?
Wow, you people are some incredibly negative mofos.
These forums are incredibly bitchy, and it seems that people who *aren't* bitchy leave, because, really, <bitchy>, until there's nothing left here but bitter, angry posters.
Kinda sad, really.
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Wow, you people are some incredibly negative mofos.
These forums are incredibly bitchy, and it seems that people who *aren't* bitchy leave, because, really, <bitchy>, until there's nothing left here but bitter, angry posters.
Worse are the people who make huge sweeping generalizations like that without considering the context or bothering to see if it actually has any merit outside of whatever thread they happen to be in. A lot of people here know each other personally as friends/acquaintances and there have also been plenty of community projects and the like. Hell, there are multiple Secret Santa threads going on right now in which a number of people are showing generosity to people they likely don't even know. Not to mention sincere advice being given out in the Help/Advice corner and a number of other things I could mention. Also, I could name several posters still here who are very good-natured.
There are an overwhelming majority of people who happen to think a guest comic is bad in an area meant for discussion about the guest comic. So what?
Wow, you people are some incredibly negative mofos.
These forums are incredibly bitchy, and it seems that people who *aren't* bitchy leave, because, really, <bitchy>, until there's nothing left here but bitter, angry posters.
Kinda sad, really.
i'd be less inclined to negativity if the comic were good
Wow, you people are some incredibly negative mofos.
These forums are incredibly bitchy, and it seems that people who *aren't* bitchy leave, because, really, <bitchy>, until there's nothing left here but bitter, angry posters.
Kinda sad, really.
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Alfred J. Kwakis it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered Userregular
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a bitchy post about bitchy posts ... how very meta
I don't like the idea that a girl comic character has to have girl accessories to be identified as a girl. Does it even matter if the kids gender is identifiable?
Is this trolling? Am I being trolled now? Yes, people who make comics should draw well enough so that the viewer knows what they're looking at. I don't see what "right on" gender politics has to do this. I like comics where I can identify the gender of the characters. Maybe I'm old fashioned.
The kid is 8. Maybe I don't know kids well enough, but don't boys and girls look the same at that point? You shouldn't be able to identify the gender without some kind of clothing sterotype. Or maybe an adam's apple? I dunno. I don't think the kid's gender matters for this comic.
On another note, I agree that I like this comic as long as I imagine the third panel (sudo joke) didn't exist.
Maybe I don't know kids well enough, but don't boys and girls look the same at that point?
You're a master of the understatement. The answer to your question is "no". Boys look different from girls. Even at eight years of age.
Let's look at some comic eight (or so) year olds. Then you try to guess the gender. See how many you get right.
Answer:
Girl
Answer:
Girl
Answer:
Girl
I'm sick of dealing with these tags so I'll stop at three. But they're all girls and immediately identifiable as such. Whoever drew this guest comic drew an eight year old girl who looks like a 14 year old boy. It made for a confusing read. I got to the third panel still thinking it was a boy. Then I saw "daddy" repeated like six times and said "wait a minute...this is probably a girl...right?" And in doing so, the comic lost any momentum it had. I didn't care about the big payoff anymore. I was too busy trying to identify the gender of the so-called banana man (banana woman?).
When I said to quit being jerks I meant it. When you're taking time out of your life to collect a bunch of pictures of girls in comic strips to make some asinine point about a comic strip you happened not to like and also working out the best way of phrasing it so that you sound like a massive prick it's time to re-evaluate how you spend your leisure time.
You didn't like the comic. Fine. In an amazing turn of events, that doesn't give you an unimpeachable mandate to be a tosser.
Also, that second picture....totally thought it was a boy before I read your spoiler. Seriously, what about that picture identifies her as a girl?
You aren't familiar with one of the staple characters (Susie) from Calvin and Hobbes? Shame, that is easily my favorite traditional newspaper comic by a longshot. Its also one of the few I've seen that can do sentimentality and humor well at the same time, you should look into it.
In any case, I would say the hair makes her pretty easy to identify as a girl.
I like to think tube spends a large part of his day coming up with colorful ways to tell people they are not being nice.
Also, that second picture....totally thought it was a boy before I read your spoiler. Seriously, what about that picture identifies her as a girl?
I would agree that Susie looks the most boyish, with her overalls and boyish haircut. The other are wearing dresses and have girlish hair styles. I think someone made a point about needing feminine props to identify female characters.
I like to think tube spends a large part of his day coming up with colorful ways to tell people they are not being nice.
Also, that second picture....totally thought it was a boy before I read your spoiler. Seriously, what about that picture identifies her as a girl?
I would agree that Susie looks the most boyish, with her overalls and boyish haircut. The other are wearing dresses and have girlish hair styles. I think someone made a point about needing feminine props to identify female characters.
Aw, but everybody would be so much happier and less argumentative. Oh well, looking forward to seeing what we end up with for tomorrow's comic...for better or for worse.
Aw, but everybody would be so much happier and less argumentative. Oh well, looking forward to seeing what we end up with for tomorrow's comic...for better or for worse.
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speaking personally i love moments of warmth and sincerity mixed with humor
they're just better when they're well earned and usually in a serial format
it's really hard to do on a three one off.
On the black screen
*condescendingly rolls eyes*
Just yesterday we had Scott and Kris release "My Fandom Is Like Voltron." It makes fun of references for the sake of references and such. So yeah, together there's an odd juxtaposition, if nothing else.
I was mainly put off by the non-PA nature of the guest comic. There's no acknowledgement of this comic being on Penny Arcade in any form. I demand some good audience pandering. And if it's not going to be specifically a Penny Arcade (Tycho/Gabe) centric affair, it should at least be focused on video games.
In all seriousness, you're right: it's just really not a style of humor which the Penny Arcade audience usually appreciates and certainly not what we've come to expect. Unfortunately for all concerned...it was posted on the PA website.
That said...alright, yeah, kind of a crappy guest comic. We've had those before. The creators were doing Tycho and Gabe a favor and they deserve some appreciation for that even if we don't like the result. There's really no need to keep raging about it or rage about others raging about it, may as well just move on and see what Friday brings.
This would actually be excellent.
The Good: This comic has raised 1,000 dollars for charity thus far!
The Bad: The comic itself and its reception.
And the Ugly: The comic has ruined someones birthday!
(Seriously, I know it's a weird thing to fixate on, but her hands throw me off. That one literally grows to the size of her head...and it just looks so...meaty)
It's ok, your mother and I don't know your real birthday anyway. You were adopted.
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That or sometimes a bad comic will come up in the series and it's not a sign of things going south or anything being done wrong and is instead your taste just not being fulfilled temporarily.
Also, perhaps fewer uses of the word "daddy". I figured out it was his kid at the point that it said "...WHEN MY KID WAS 8.]" 3 times in one panel and 5 times in total felt a bit excessive. I haven't read Scalzi's books, but surely he must be better at dialogue than this?
These forums are incredibly bitchy, and it seems that people who *aren't* bitchy leave, because, really, <bitchy>, until there's nothing left here but bitter, angry posters.
Kinda sad, really.
Not really how it works.
There are an overwhelming majority of people who happen to think a guest comic is bad in an area meant for discussion about the guest comic. So what?
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Any good that remained here is now but a ghost. Its now all just a . . . Comedy Central Roast?
On another note, I agree that I like this comic as long as I imagine the third panel (sudo joke) didn't exist.
You're a master of the understatement. The answer to your question is "no". Boys look different from girls. Even at eight years of age.
Let's look at some comic eight (or so) year olds. Then you try to guess the gender. See how many you get right.
Answer:
Answer:
Answer:
I'm sick of dealing with these tags so I'll stop at three. But they're all girls and immediately identifiable as such. Whoever drew this guest comic drew an eight year old girl who looks like a 14 year old boy. It made for a confusing read. I got to the third panel still thinking it was a boy. Then I saw "daddy" repeated like six times and said "wait a minute...this is probably a girl...right?" And in doing so, the comic lost any momentum it had. I didn't care about the big payoff anymore. I was too busy trying to identify the gender of the so-called banana man (banana woman?).
You didn't like the comic. Fine. In an amazing turn of events, that doesn't give you an unimpeachable mandate to be a tosser.
Also, that second picture....totally thought it was a boy before I read your spoiler. Seriously, what about that picture identifies her as a girl?
You aren't familiar with one of the staple characters (Susie) from Calvin and Hobbes? Shame, that is easily my favorite traditional newspaper comic by a longshot. Its also one of the few I've seen that can do sentimentality and humor well at the same time, you should look into it.
In any case, I would say the hair makes her pretty easy to identify as a girl.
I would agree that Susie looks the most boyish, with her overalls and boyish haircut. The other are wearing dresses and have girlish hair styles. I think someone made a point about needing feminine props to identify female characters.
Can we just make this a Calvin & Hobbes thread?
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