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Konami using subliminal messages to promote gambling.

MeizMeiz Registered User regular
edited February 2007 in Games and Technology
Ontario's provincial gambling operator has pulled 87 video slot machines out of service or physically removed them from its casinos after a CBC investigation found what appear to be subliminal messages flashing at players.
Ontario Lottery and Gaming, the recently rebranded Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp., is concerned about three games on video slots made by a company called Konami. It shut them down as a precaution on Friday, and is looking into the issue.
to-most-wanted.jpgEvery time this video lottery game is played, it briefly shows a jackpot result.
(CBC)
The games flash winning jackpot symbols at players for a fifth of a second, long enough for the brain to detect even if the players are not aware of the message, some psychologists told CBC News.
It's not clear if messages are influencing gamblers' behaviour. That would take further testing, experts said.
But players who stick to a machine are seeing a winning image every two seconds, the time it takes for one spin, and that concerns Roger Horbay, an electronic gaming specialist who has treated hundreds of problem gamblers.
"I think it's part of them trying to make their games more attractive to the players to keep them at the game longer so their machines are more profitable," he said.

However, Konami, the company behind the games, said the jackpot symbols are a technical problem that it is fixing.
"It is simply a software glitch that our engineers have identified in four game titles, and we have identified [that] three of those titles have been shipped into Canada," said Konami spokesman Steve Sutherland.


"The company is not going to risk its licensing to do this. It is purely a software error that the company is fixing."


The game titles with the symbols are: Most Wanted, Sergeant Fritter and Billionaires. (A fourth called Sticks and Stones has only had limited release in the United States.)


But OLG, similar bodies in other jurisdictions and the Ontario gaming regulator, are all taking the messages seriously.


"Well, we are going to take a look at it further and see if there really is anything that we need to do and we will take the appropriate action," said Sukhi Grewal, head of game testing at the regulator, the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario.


Full article:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/02/25/video-lottery.html

So was it a simple glitch or was it actually a clever ploy on Konami's part in order to boost sales over the long term?

Subliminal messages have been used before but in every instance there's a controlled test focused on determining the actual effects, they are deemed to have little to no effect.

I don't think I'll have any moral dilemma personally when the next Castlevania game comes out, but perhaps that's just Konami telling me to do so.

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  • skaceskace Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Honestly, I doubt it was a glitch, that is a convenient excuse though. I don't really care if Konami really did this because gambling isn't my bag.

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  • DigDug2000DigDug2000 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Isn't this exactly what slot machines do? They flash images up real quick to make it look like the thing is rotating. Then in the end you lose.

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  • FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    DigDug2000 wrote: »
    Isn't this exactly what slot machines do? They flash images up real quick to make it look like the thing is rotating. Then in the end you lose.

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    I doubt it was a glitch, but I find it hard to care.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I didn't even know Konami mad slot machines.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    See Next Post

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  • AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Ruckus wrote: »
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    Fixed?

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  • DirtchamberDirtchamber Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    I didn't even know Konami mad slot machines.

    According to a few Japanese game-music composers I've spoken to (not naming any names), Konami has pretty strong ties to the Yakuza, so it makes sense for the company to be involved with slot machines. I'm pretty sure there are a few Konami-owned pachinko parlours around as well.

    (Of course, I can't confirm that Konami is run by an organised crime syndicate - that's just what I hear. Although it would explain a lot...)

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm sorta surprised this is a rare thing at all in the gambling business. I thought everything about the environments in casinos are designed to get people to shove out money for little to nothing in return anyways...why not throw in subliminal messages too?

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Ah ha, now I have if for future use.

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  • EtchEtch Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Well...how about don't gamble then? Jeez, people get so uppity about everything, just don't bring any more money into the casino than what you are willing to lose.

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  • KillaKilla Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Personally, as someone with some background in psych and gambling, I'm not sure flashing Jackpot icons is really considered a subliminal message. I mean, the machine probably has lots of flashing lights and wording that says, "Jackpot" or "Big Prizes!!1!" but I don't think that qualifies either.

    This is Canada, though, and I am unfamiliar with their gaming regulation.

    Slots aren't real gambling imo anyways. Just entertainment, variably expensive entertainment.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    CONSPIRACY

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  • KouKou Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    The casino I go to once in a while in my city has tons of Konami slot machines. Once in a while I'll dump five or ten bucks into one just to see if I'll get any codec messages while playing it.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Kou wrote: »
    The casino I go to once in a while in my city has tons of Konami slot machines. Once in a while I'll dump five or ten bucks into one just to see if I'll get any codec messages while playing it.

    *Apple* *Apple* "C'mon Apple!" *Orange*

    "Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAKE!"

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Well, it's not really fair that you don't have the chances of winning at slots that you "should" have based on how many "jackpot"s there are on each dial (the actual chances are far lower, because the machines are programmed that way), but I don't really see anyone complaining about that.

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  • KouKou Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Kou wrote: »
    The casino I go to once in a while in my city has tons of Konami slot machines. Once in a while I'll dump five or ten bucks into one just to see if I'll get any codec messages while playing it.

    *Apple* *Apple* "C'mon Apple!" *Orange*

    "Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAKE!"

    You don't know how much that frightens all the old people and worries the security.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    From a programming standpoint, it's pretty inconceivable that this would be a glitch. I've been sitting here for a while trying to think of how something like this could occur accidentally.

    Long story short, it's no glitch. Bad Konami, baaaad.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I wouldn't put it past Konami. They're a pretty greedy company.

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  • SoljrSoljr Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm surprised nobody mentioned that in Dance Dance Revolution a double AA grade comes up for about whole second and then switches to your real grade.

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  • TM2 RampageTM2 Rampage Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    I didn't even know Konami mad slot machines.

    According to a few Japanese game-music composers I've spoken to (not naming any names), Konami has pretty strong ties to the Yakuza, so it makes sense for the company to be involved with slot machines. I'm pretty sure there are a few Konami-owned pachinko parlours around as well.

    (Of course, I can't confirm that Konami is run by an organised crime syndicate - that's just what I hear. Although it would explain a lot...)
    Holy shit.

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