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[Paula Deen] : Evil, Sadistic Monster of a Woman

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    IDK, if I were a professional chef I'd think having a deep fryer built into the counter would be kinda cool.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Deep breaths. It's not like deep frying bacon makes it more unhealthy. The entire cooking process involves rendering fat out of the product, we're not worries about fat getting in.

    Personally, I tried to save every drop of bacon fat when I'm making bacon. Bacon fat is damn tasty.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Dark White wrote:
    You're absolutely right.

    To be honest, I only eat healthy most of the time because of media. Obviously, different media.

    But, short of taking her off the air (or fundamentally changing her show in such a way that she may as well be off the air) is there any real change that can be made to produce a non-trivial result?

    The problem is with food network itself. Specifically, the fact that Food Network gets most of their funding from corporate food companies. So they encourage a lifestyle that encourages people to want the type of food that the corporations want them to buy.

  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Bagginses wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    Bagginses wrote:

    The big issue isn't so much that it's not telling you that it's unhealthy as it is that it's implying that the type of stuff it's serving up is normal and not problematic. Compare to Julia Child, whose recipes, while unhealthy, were incredibly impractical for normal use.

    Impractical for those who view cooking as strictly a utilitarian means of feeding oneself.

    No, impractical as in wanting a meal that can be started after you get home from work and finished before you need to go to bed for work tomorrow without sucking up all the time that could be spent with your family.

    I gather you're primarily familiar with those dishes from Mastering the Art of French Cooking which are featured in "Julie and Julia?"

    I don't necessarily follow Julia Child's recipes most night, but I became an incredibly competent home chef by learning the techniques she uses. So, like, Boeuf a la Bourguignon isn't something I'll make but once or twice a year, but I will braise a protein at least once a week, and it's not a particularly labor intensive style of cooking once you've got it down.

    That for me is the difference between Paula Deen and Julia Child. Child's an eminently qualified chef who can explain otherwise impenetrable techniques in a way that you can learn it in your own kitchen. Deen knows that butter tastes good, so if you add more of it to a dish, the dish will probably also taste good.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Modern Man wrote:
    BubbaT wrote:
    The FOX (ie, Hell's Kitchen and Kitchen Nightmares) Ramsay may yell more than the BBC one, but it's always warranted. The schtick is that on the FOX shows, they surround him with stupider people than they do on the BBC ones, which gives him more cause to lose his shit.

    When he's not surrounded by idiots (and/or doesn't have professional-level expectations of them) - ie, on Masterchef - there's very little yelling from Ramsay.
    What I like about Ramsay is that he's not a food snob. He has high expectations when it comes to freshness and preparation, but he can enjoy simple food as much as the finest meal.

    The BBC version of Kitchen Nightmares is head and shoulders above the US version.

    British Ramsay is the best Ramsay

    Fox Ramsay is... well can you blame him for that? Fox gives him what amounts to semis full of money to act like that

    Ramsay's trip to India to learn traditional Indian cooking was a great watch too, guy will go to a mud hut and eat chutnee made with fire ants, and tell everyone how fucking great it is

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  • mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    Bagginses wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    Bagginses wrote:
    Dark White wrote:
    Modern Man wrote:
    Dark White wrote:
    Modern Man wrote:
    The problem is that you have a lady telling people that it's okay to eat a whole cake with every meal, so that when people go to McDonalds, they don't feel so bad about ordering the 50 cent apple pie. The problem is that all that sugar doesn't contribute to being full, leading to growing portion sizes.

    Now, that problem isn't specific to Paula Dean. It's indicative of the Food Network and the Food industry in general. That doesn't mean that Paula gets a pass for playing along.
    I've only seen a handful of Paula Deen shows in my life. Does she really say this?

    That's obviously a gross exaggeration, but she does make comments and have an attitude along the lines of 'go ahead and treat yourself, you can have one more bite'
    It would be a pretty odd cooking show if the chef was trying to discourage your from eating any more of her food.

    And it's a pretty irresponsible cooking show that urges you to pig out constantly.

    This is my whole issue with this entire thread. Why is it a cooking show's responsibility to tell you to lead a healthy lifestyle?

    This is my thought on the matter.

    The big issue isn't so much that it's not telling you that it's unhealthy as it is that it's implying that the type of stuff it's serving up is normal and not problematic. Compare to Julia Child, whose recipes, while unhealthy, were incredibly impractical for normal use.

    Impractical for those who view cooking as strictly a utilitarian means of feeding oneself.

    No, impractical as in wanting a meal that can be started after you get home from work and finished before you need to go to bed for work tomorrow without sucking up all the time that could be spent with your family.

    Cooking is something you're almost solely doing because you need to eat, not because you actually enjoy the process and results. My wife and I cook because we love it, and we love what we eat. We do spend 4 hours after work cooking sometimes. We don't find it impractical, rather, we find it completely enthralling.

    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm putting a name on what impractical and practical is. Practical is utilitarian. Impractical is enjoyment.

  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    SammyF wrote:
    Bagginses wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    Bagginses wrote:

    The big issue isn't so much that it's not telling you that it's unhealthy as it is that it's implying that the type of stuff it's serving up is normal and not problematic. Compare to Julia Child, whose recipes, while unhealthy, were incredibly impractical for normal use.

    Impractical for those who view cooking as strictly a utilitarian means of feeding oneself.

    No, impractical as in wanting a meal that can be started after you get home from work and finished before you need to go to bed for work tomorrow without sucking up all the time that could be spent with your family.

    I gather you're primarily familiar with those dishes from Mastering the Art of French Cooking which are featured in "Julie and Julia?"

    I don't necessarily follow Julia Child's recipes most night, but I became an incredibly competent home chef by learning the techniques she uses. So, like, Boeuf a la Bourguignon isn't something I'll make but once or twice a year, but I will braise a protein at least once a week, and it's not a particularly labor intensive style of cooking once you've got it down.

    That for me is the difference between Paula Deen and Julia Child. Child's an eminently qualified chef who can explain otherwise impenetrable techniques in a way that you can learn it in your own kitchen. Deen knows that butter tastes good, so if you add more of it to a dish, the dish will probably also taste good.

    To be fair, she's right.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    mrt144 wrote:
    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm putting a name on what impractical and practical is. Practical is utilitarian. Impractical is enjoyment.

    Really, when you consider that Europeans completely restructured global trade and invented the institutions of Colonialism in large part because they were sick of eating salt pork and boiled beef and desperately wanted to get into the spice trade after a few centuries of doing without after Constantinople had been sacked, you start to realize that we as a species have done some pretty goddamned impractical things in the quest for a good meal.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    British Ramsay is the best Ramsay

    Fox Ramsay is... well can you blame him for that? Fox gives him what amounts to semis full of money to act like that

    Ramsay's trip to India to learn traditional Indian cooking was a great watch too, guy will go to a mud hut and eat chutnee made with fire ants, and tell everyone how fucking great it is

    Ramsay will also promote specials like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiYiUpGYDxI

    When was the last time Food Network discussed the subject of sustainability?

  • silverbuddysilverbuddy Registered User regular
    Dark White wrote:
    Modern Man wrote:
    Dark White wrote:
    Modern Man wrote:
    The problem is that you have a lady telling people that it's okay to eat a whole cake with every meal, so that when people go to McDonalds, they don't feel so bad about ordering the 50 cent apple pie. The problem is that all that sugar doesn't contribute to being full, leading to growing portion sizes.

    Now, that problem isn't specific to Paula Dean. It's indicative of the Food Network and the Food industry in general. That doesn't mean that Paula gets a pass for playing along.
    I've only seen a handful of Paula Deen shows in my life. Does she really say this?

    That's obviously a gross exaggeration, but she does make comments and have an attitude along the lines of 'go ahead and treat yourself, you can have one more bite'
    It would be a pretty odd cooking show if the chef was trying to discourage your from eating any more of her food.

    And it's a pretty irresponsible cooking show that urges you to pig out constantly.

    This is my whole issue with this entire thread. Why is it a cooking show's responsibility to tell you to lead a healthy lifestyle?

    This whole thread amazes me. Paula Deen's cooking being compared to big tobacco? Seriously? I watch her show occasionally, not because I want to cook like her, but because she's entertaining and her recipes represent the old school recipes that some Americans grew up with (and I'm a northerner). There is nothing about her programming that says, "make this every time you can, health be damned."

  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    British Ramsay is the best Ramsay

    Fox Ramsay is... well can you blame him for that? Fox gives him what amounts to semis full of money to act like that

    Ramsay's trip to India to learn traditional Indian cooking was a great watch too, guy will go to a mud hut and eat chutnee made with fire ants, and tell everyone how fucking great it is

    Ramsay will also promote specials like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiYiUpGYDxI

    When was the last time Food Network discussed the subject of sustainability?

    Sustainability and the pursuit of fine dining are typically at odds. The inconvenient trurth that most foodies (who often are environmentalists) manage to ignore.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    This whole thread amazes me. Paula Deen's cooking being compared to big tobacco? Seriously? I watch her show occasionally, not because I want to cook like her, but because she's entertaining and her recipes represent the old school recipes that some Americans grew up with (and I'm a northerner). There is nothing about her programming that says, "make this every time you can, health be damned."

    Paula Deen is more like Joe Camel.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Dark White wrote:
    Sustainability and the pursuit of fine dining are typically at odds. The inconvenient trurth that most foodies (who often are environmentalists) manage to ignore.

    The people who watch Food Network are not into fine dining.

  • mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    SammyF wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm putting a name on what impractical and practical is. Practical is utilitarian. Impractical is enjoyment.

    Really, when you consider that Europeans completely restructured global trade and invented the institutions of Colonialism in large part because they were sick of eating salt pork and boiled beef and desperately wanted to get into the spice trade after a few centuries of doing without after Constantinople had been sacked, you start to realize that we as a species have done some pretty goddamned impractical things in the quest for a good meal.

    And yet, here we are, in today's world, upping sugar and fat content of meals because it's become impractical to spend 2 hours of a day cooking a meal.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Dark White wrote:
    Sustainability and the pursuit of fine dining are typically at odds. The inconvenient trurth that most foodies (who often are environmentalists) manage to ignore.

    The people who watch Food Network are not into fine dining.

    Seriously. It's like the television equivalent of Olive Garden.

  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    mrt144 wrote:
    SammyF wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm putting a name on what impractical and practical is. Practical is utilitarian. Impractical is enjoyment.

    Really, when you consider that Europeans completely restructured global trade and invented the institutions of Colonialism in large part because they were sick of eating salt pork and boiled beef and desperately wanted to get into the spice trade after a few centuries of doing without after Constantinople had been sacked, you start to realize that we as a species have done some pretty goddamned impractical things in the quest for a good meal.

    And yet, here we are, in today's world, upping sugar and fat content of meals because it's become impractical to spend 2 hours of a day cooking a meal.

    I don't spend anywhere near that amount of time cooking, I predominantly cook with raw ingredients, I can't remember the last time I've used sugar for anything other than sweetening coffee, and my cooking is fantastic.

    We don't up the sugar and fat content of meals because it somehow makes food cook faster, we do it because we're fucking stupid. Also because making your glycemic levels pitchy increases your food cravings so that you'll buy another cheeseburger in 2 hours, but mainly because we're fucking stupid.

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  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote:
    Dark White wrote:
    Sustainability and the pursuit of fine dining are typically at odds. The inconvenient trurth that most foodies (who often are environmentalists) manage to ignore.

    The people who watch Food Network are not into fine dining.

    Seriously. It's like the television equivalent of Olive Garden.

    Fine dining was the wrong term. However, I don't think marginalizing it to that extent is quite accurate.

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  • mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote:
    Dark White wrote:
    Sustainability and the pursuit of fine dining are typically at odds. The inconvenient trurth that most foodies (who often are environmentalists) manage to ignore.

    The people who watch Food Network are not into fine dining.

    Seriously. It's like the television equivalent of Olive Garden.

    No one denies this!

    Also, sustainability and american consumption is at odds. It's actually a good thing in some way that we didn't have a predilection for eating fish as a culture (not that I could ever imagine such a thing coming to pass given the development of the nation and the vast land we had available for grazing.) because we probably would have run out of wild fish stocks in the 1990s.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Dark White wrote:
    SammyF wrote:
    Dark White wrote:
    Sustainability and the pursuit of fine dining are typically at odds. The inconvenient trurth that most foodies (who often are environmentalists) manage to ignore.

    The people who watch Food Network are not into fine dining.

    Seriously. It's like the television equivalent of Olive Garden.

    Fine dining was the wrong term. However, I don't think marginalizing it to that extent is quite accurate.

    Dude, they have cooking shows where the grand prize is to serve a dish at Applebees.

  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Dark White wrote:
    SammyF wrote:
    Dark White wrote:
    Sustainability and the pursuit of fine dining are typically at odds. The inconvenient trurth that most foodies (who often are environmentalists) manage to ignore.

    The people who watch Food Network are not into fine dining.

    Seriously. It's like the television equivalent of Olive Garden.

    Fine dining was the wrong term. However, I don't think marginalizing it to that extent is quite accurate.

    I don't believe I'm marginalizing it precisely; I'm only suggesting that they package their content for mass consumption, as Olive Garden does in their close to 800 different restaurants.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    A number of chefs on Chopped have made sustainability their thing, and I think they had a special about waste? overall not enough though, as chefs and foodies in general really need to man the fuck up about sustainability

    And it's really not fair to say people who are into fine dining don't watch food network, I'm certainly into fine dining to the extent that it is economically possible for me to be into fine dining (hopefully more so in the future), I also watch chopped and restaurant impossible

    How are those two things at odds

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  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    Dark White wrote:
    SammyF wrote:
    Dark White wrote:
    Sustainability and the pursuit of fine dining are typically at odds. The inconvenient trurth that most foodies (who often are environmentalists) manage to ignore.

    The people who watch Food Network are not into fine dining.

    Seriously. It's like the television equivalent of Olive Garden.

    Fine dining was the wrong term. However, I don't think marginalizing it to that extent is quite accurate.

    Dude, they have cooking shows where the grand prize is to serve a dish at Applebees.

    Heh, yes. True. Perhaps the network in aggregate averages out to Olive Garden. I was overlooking most of the crap seeing the couple shows that do have a good bit of culinary merit.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    I guess I don't watch most of their shoes. "Next Iron Chef" wasn't bad, and unless I'm mistaken Jeffery Zakarian isn't going to be cooking at olive garden any time soon

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  • Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    I might as well ask this here - What is the best choice in beverages (besides water, obviously) for drinking? Fruit juice is expensive-ish and pretty sugary, while soda is just bad for you (or at best, not good for you).

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    I drink lots of diet soda, which is bad for your teeth but not a whole lot beyond that unless you have an IV of it going, also lots of almond and coconut milks.

    I guess for regular people, milk is good, lactose isn't as bad as fructose

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  • mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    SammyF wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm putting a name on what impractical and practical is. Practical is utilitarian. Impractical is enjoyment.

    Really, when you consider that Europeans completely restructured global trade and invented the institutions of Colonialism in large part because they were sick of eating salt pork and boiled beef and desperately wanted to get into the spice trade after a few centuries of doing without after Constantinople had been sacked, you start to realize that we as a species have done some pretty goddamned impractical things in the quest for a good meal.

    And yet, here we are, in today's world, upping sugar and fat content of meals because it's become impractical to spend 2 hours of a day cooking a meal.

    I don't spend anywhere near that amount of time cooking, I predominantly cook with raw ingredients, I can't remember the last time I've used sugar for anything other than sweetening coffee, and my cooking is fantastic.

    We don't up the sugar and fat content of meals because it somehow makes food cook faster, we do it because we're fucking stupid. Also because making your glycemic levels pitchy increases your food cravings so that you'll buy another cheeseburger in 2 hours, but mainly because we're fucking stupid.

    My contention is that high fat and sugar content is a means of getting ourselves into thinking something has an overtly pleasing flavor. It masks shortcuts of time on prep and fire.

    Sandra Lee is the best example of this.

  • Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    Mm, yeah, but I want something with a good taste to it. Milk doesn't taste bad, but it's very.. unassuming?

  • silverbuddysilverbuddy Registered User regular
    When you are a public figure, you have an ethical obligation not to promote bad things. Eating food like the ridiculously unhealthy stuff she cooks every day is a terrible idea, but she urges people to do that on every single show.

    That was said tongue-in-cheek right?

  • Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    Also man, I'm trying to eat healthier and it feels almost impossible. The only thing that (most) people agree on is (some) fruit and vegetables. Everything else is split 50/50 on whether it's good for you. BLARGH.

  • mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote:
    I might as well ask this here - What is the best choice in beverages (besides water, obviously) for drinking? Fruit juice is expensive-ish and pretty sugary, while soda is just bad for you (or at best, not good for you).

    Ales, Red Wine, Vegetable Juice.

  • Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    When you are a public figure, you have an ethical obligation not to promote bad things. Eating food like the ridiculously unhealthy stuff she cooks every day is a terrible idea, but she urges people to do that on every single show.

    That was said tongue-in-cheek right?

    Only if it can get around the deep-fried butter.

  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    I guess I don't watch most of their shoes. "Next Iron Chef" wasn't bad, and unless I'm mistaken Jeffery Zakarian isn't going to be cooking at olive garden any time soon

    You know what? Is there anyone else from DC here in this thread? Gather round, people, take a knee:

    Many people on those food competition shows can't cook, or if they can, they can't run a fucking restaurant. Not to save their lives. Case in point: Good Stuff Eatery on Pennsylvania Avenue, run by Chef Spike from Top Chef. That place is terrible. It takes them 20 minutes to make a goddamned hamburger, and it's not like they're forming each individual patty by hand or anything, it's only that their kitchen is run like the 15 people in there are all each speaking a different language.

    The cult of personality which attaches itself to the people involved in network cooking competitions has got to be one of the worst things to happen to American cuisine in the last ten years. And it all goes back to my earlier point about the role personality plays on food network. They push personalities at you because no one is capable of judging the quality of dish by observing it on a television screen. You can't smell it, you can't taste it, you can't poke it with a fork or feel it between your teeth, so all they have to go on is pushing these personalities at you so that you'll somehow equate the name as a brand with good food.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote:
    Mm, yeah, but I want something with a good taste to it. Milk doesn't taste bad, but it's very.. unassuming?

    Heavy cream.

    Seriously, I don't begrudge Paula Dean for serving lots of butter. Although one problem is that most people will think they can make the recipe healthier by using country crock instead, which of course is a terrible idea.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote:
    Also man, I'm trying to eat healthier and it feels almost impossible. The only thing that (most) people agree on is (some) fruit and vegetables. Everything else is split 50/50 on whether it's good for you. BLARGH.

    I actually cut down on fruit.

    I don't follow paleo diet because it's way too restrictive and impractical, but it does have a lot of good ideas. Agriculture was invented 10,000 years ago. Before that, we didn't have grains, we didn't have legumes, and we didn't have selective breeding. Fruit today is a LOT sweeter than it was back than, because we made it sweeter. But our digestive tract hasn't caught up. Also, we didn't have produce being shipped around the world. You ate vegetables when they were available, but they weren't always available.

    That's the basic model I follow. Chicken skin tastes good, it has always tasted good. Our caveman ancestors would have eaten it, so should you. Sugar tastes good, but our caveman ancestors didn't have access to processed sugar, so you should avoid it. Any diet that requires strict calorie control should be avoided. Our ancestors didn't need to count calories, and if the diet requires that they do, it's because something in the diet is fucked up.

    What are the popular meats in Asia? Duck and pork. These animals are not low fat. In fact, they were probably chosen specifically for their high fat content. Eat them. But industrial vegetable oils are a recent invention. Avoid.

  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    SammyF wrote:
    I guess I don't watch most of their shoes. "Next Iron Chef" wasn't bad, and unless I'm mistaken Jeffery Zakarian isn't going to be cooking at olive garden any time soon

    You know what? Is there anyone else from DC here in this thread? Gather round, people, take a knee:

    Many people on those food competition shows can't cook, or if they can, they can't run a fucking restaurant. Not to save their lives. Case in point: Good Stuff Eatery on Pennsylvania Avenue, run by Chef Spike from Top Chef. That place is terrible. It takes them 20 minutes to make a goddamned hamburger, and it's not like they're forming each individual patty by hand or anything, it's only that their kitchen is run like the 15 people in there are all each speaking a different language.

    The cult of personality which attaches itself to the people involved in network cooking competitions has got to be one of the worst things to happen to American cuisine in the last ten years. And it all goes back to my earlier point about the role personality plays on food network. They push personalities at you because no one is capable of judging the quality of dish by observing it on a television screen. You can't smell it, you can't taste it, you can't poke it with a fork or feel it between your teeth, so all they have to go on is pushing these personalities at you so that you'll somehow equate the name as a brand with good food.

    I'm in the area but haven't frequented his restaurant before. But, running a restaurant requires managing people which is an entirely different skillset. I don't doubt for a second that 98% of good cooks are unable to do that effectively and as a result either are unable to run a restaurant at all or do so very poorly.

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  • mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    Chicken skin is amazing. I've been looking for a local butcher to buy them by the pound from.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Our ancestors also worshiped the sun god and died at 35.

    Poultry and pork were popular in asia because they required little space to raise as opposed to cattle.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Our ancestors also worshiped the sun god and died at 35.

    Poultry and pork were popular in asia because they required little space to raise as opposed to cattle.

    Average life expectancy is only that low because of infant mortality. Not because they were dying of heart attacks and diabetes.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    You're saying lifestyle had nothing to do with it?

    Numerically that doesn't even make sense to claim that it was all infant mortality.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Our ancestors also worshiped the sun god and died at 35.

    Poultry and pork were popular in asia because they required little space to raise as opposed to cattle.

    Average life expectancy is only that low because of infant mortality. Not because they were dying of heart attacks and diabetes.

    Also we didn't have penicillin.

    I cook sort of the same way you eat. It makes me think I should probably invite you over for dinner. My general rule of thumb when selecting ingredients is that if my body won't efficiently burn it and my kidneys and liver haven't been conditioned over millenia of evolution to easily filter it out of my system, I'd rather not eat it.

    I do tend to remove chicken skin because it's tough as shit to marinate a bird with the skin still on, however.

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