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The Future Of Zelda
MikeRyu
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After just finishing Twilight Princess I thought it might be cool to have a discussion about the future of Zelda. I feel that TP was great but if the series continued onwards like this it would get very stale, and has kind of started already. I see TP as the final polished version of the Ocarina Of Time format and while you could keep on polishing it probably would become counterproductive. Judging from Nintendo's own comments I think that we'll be seeing some big changes for the next one. So I thought maybe we could come up with a few things and throw some ideas into the mix and speculate on what might be cool no matter how nuts, and as we know, Nintendo is not a company to shy away from doing something crazy to their brands.
I'll start with a couple of obvious ones like a new more indepth combat system. The Wiimote was fun as a stand in for the Gamecube controller but it is capable of so much more than we had in TP. Also full orchastrated music has to be a must. For something a little less orthodox, do you think that Nintendo would do something really crazy like change the whole perpective and make it first person or something like that?
So what would you suggest?
All crazy suggestions welcome.
I'll start with a couple of obvious ones like a new more indepth combat system. The Wiimote was fun as a stand in for the Gamecube controller but it is capable of so much more than we had in TP. Also full orchastrated music has to be a must. For something a little less orthodox, do you think that Nintendo would do something really crazy like change the whole perpective and make it first person or something like that?
So what would you suggest?
All crazy suggestions welcome.
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There you have it. The hookshot will be replaced with some kind of vacuum.
Notebook: Hookshot bad.....Vacuum Grapple Gun....Good!
How about a physics-based puzzle where we have to dam up a river with trees Link cuts down with the Master Sword or logical music puzzles where you figure out a tune based on clues - NOT having it given to you right away?
What? It worked for Mario!
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That's excellent. Less contrived puzzles. A more physics based world where you have the freedom to actually affect physical elements of it. World probably work really well with the Wiimote, especially if Link had a new item like the Ocarina was but like a staff that could move things in an elebits fashion. Also a more freeroaming world would be great. I feel that as the games have pregressed they've become more and more linear. Being able to go where you want and do tasks in almost any order would be cool. It also would be quite true to the series' origins.
Being tone deaf, I hate musical puzzles. These have been, and always will be, the bane of my existence. Toss any time constrained color based puzzles with lots of reds and greens. Damn my defective senses.
It's hard to tell where they could take Zelda from here. As far as the formula goes, they perfected it. One thing I wish consoles had were Expansion Packs. Because it allows you to have a business strategy for pounding out a low cost, more of the same game, with a higher difficulty level, some enhancements, and other perks. At least assuming its done well. The closest consoles come to expansion packs are things like Majora's Mask and Mario: Lost Levels. I almost wish they did more of that sort of thing, so that you can get more of what you love, without having to deal with the burden of expecting the game to be revolutionary.
Then again, sequels in general have been becoming less true sequels and more "Here is the 2007 edition of the same game you already bought 5 times!" Thanks EA. Sometimes its good that certain series die. Max Payne ended perfectly after 2. Halo 3 is supposed to be last one I hear. Perhaps Doom should have stopped at 2 and Doom 3 could have been called something else, perhaps Doom: The Uncreative Subtitle.
Ugh, but I'm wondering all over the place, back to Zelda. Well, apparently Mario Galaxy is supposed to be pretty revolutionary. I can only assume Nintendo will do something amazing with Zelda that truely uses the wiimote. 1:1 sword motions? Transmute the game into something more of a sword fighting game with adventure elements? We've explored Hyrule enough by now I'd say, perhaps take it somewhere else. Maybe explore the Twilight Realm in a Majora's Mask style expansion pack/sequel?
I always wanted to see Link up against more humans, though I enjoy my share of orc/beast slaying, Giving gannon a dark human army would be interesting to me. I would also love the possibility of a game where you are a different hero and Link has lost to gannon and now under his control so not only do you have to defeat gannon but the former hero of the gods (possibly making the new hero the lost son of link.)
As much as i love the targeting system in zelda i think it should be dropped to add more challenge to the game (though this would probably not work well on the Wii)
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I personally feel that Twilight Princess was dark enough. I'm not saying that the evil shouldn't be evil, but at the same time I don't want to lose the heart and soul of Zelda.
Miyamoto said that.
I'm most curious about how Nintendo will do the graphics. More realistic like Twilight Princess? Back to Celda? Something new?
Take away the hookshots, the boomerangs, the magic powders, the bow and arrow sets, etc. It runs the risk of killing the soul of Zelda games but I'd risk it if it forces the Nintendo devs to come up with new items for new puzzles. Yeah, throw the boomerang to cut down hanging vines - we've seen that 3 times already. Toss the bommerang puzzles out with the boomerang and give fans some new items to play with.
...do not give Link a pistol, though. Shadow the Hedgehog sounded like it was terrible.
Phantom Hourglass (which is coming out relatively soon) is supposed to take place directly after Wind Waker ... so that may end up being what you do in that game.
Man, I hope this doesn't lead to some bullshit continuity conversation.
I suspect this could grow old quite quickly.
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This I could go along with. As long as they actually gave all the items a use after the dungeon that you aquire them in. I'm growing tired of getting items like the Dominion Rod, using it in the dungeon I get it in, then only using it about 3-4 more times after that.
Non-formulaic bosses would be a nice change too. Yes, keep the "use dungeon item to beat dungeon boss" mechanic, but spice it up a bit. I want more bosses like the TP Fire temple where It actually took me a good5 minutes to figure out what I was suppose to do. Too many bosses these days are "Well I just got a bow, and this guys has a big fucking eye, why whatever should I do?!"
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Yeah it'd be great! Zelda and Link get mixed up. Zelda grows up in a small village and wears a green tunic and Link is a beuatiful Princess.
Beyond that, I'd like to see them expand on learning new moves. They can really utilize the remote for several gestures for several different sword techniques. Also, removing the auto-block will make it easier for the game to tell the difference between a shield bash and a spin slash.
For the overworld, I want to see a mixture of A Link to the Past and Majora's Mask. I like the idea of being able to go pretty much where ever I want from the start of the game, like in ALttP, even if I still need to progress through the story in a linear fashion. I also want to see the kind of NPC interation they had in MM. That, and I just want to be mobbed by animal-riding monsters everytime I go for a ride across Hyrule.
I guess, in some ways, the series needs to take a step back in some ways, just as much as it need to take a step forward in others.
I agree and also add that (and I maybe shot for this) I would like to see warp points abolished. Sure they're are really convient but when you're just zipping from one location to another in the blink of an eye you never really need take a look around and live in the world itself.
I meant the "lol vacuum" thing.
To add to that I would like to be able to go anywhere I like (with little exceptions of course) and also for there to be something for me to do when I get there. I find that there is nothing quite so depressing as running around an epmty zone with nothing and no one around
A more free roaming game would be a step forward and also a step back to Zelda's roots.
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Ah well link could still have a vacuum. Forest fairy children have to do the cleaning too.
Gust Jar?
I don't think that's true. Miyamoto has often said about his games "familiar locations, new experiences". From many other companies I would be skeptical but Nintendo have a history and shaking things up.
Jar Of Winds.
No no.
Gust Jar.
An item in Minish Cap.
It's a vaccum. :P