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PajamaHeroPajamaHero Dream MasterSlumber LandRegistered User regular
edited April 2014 in Debate and/or Discourse
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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    I love my Kinect a lot, but I don't really consider it a fitness item.

    Neither the duration nor the intensity of physical activity it provides are enough to substitute for real exercise.

    It's still better (fitness-wise) than sitting on the couch with a controller, though, and I find that physically interacting with the game makes certain games (like Child of Eden) much more enjoyable.

    BTW, the games that see the most play on my Kinect are Dance Central (I don't have 2 yet :( ), Disneyland Adventures (fuck yeah Disneyland!), and Child of Eden.

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  • VeritasVRVeritasVR Registered User regular
    After playing Rock Band drums on hard or expert for a while, I'm sweating like crazy. Takes a ton of physical activity to do that.

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    My wife absolutely loves Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2012 (the sequel to the first one). Its varied, fun, takes into account your goals, and doesn't take alot of time before you feel like you've got a good workout in.

    I would highly recommend it for someone who wants to get into shape and has a Kinect.

  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    Personally, I would love one of Tacx's VR turbo trainers for cycling (you fit your bike to it with the rear tyre rolling on a resistance wheel, so it works like a stationary bike) It can simulate stage races, and adjust the resistance on the fly to simulate gradients, headwinds, the effects of drafting, etc. Kind of blurring the line between "game" and "simulation" though.

    It's just a shame that it's so fecking expensive given that I could ride my actual bike in actual reality, albeit not in a stage race without some considerable inconvenience.

  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    VeritasVR wrote:
    After playing Rock Band drums on hard or expert for a while, I'm sweating like crazy. Takes a ton of physical activity to do that.

    Rock Band prodrums on Expert is what I use to get cardio on a daily basis and if anyone thinks it's not a workout I challenge them fire up a ten or fifteen song set of Green Day and play through it :P

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Feral wrote:
    I love my Kinect a lot, but I don't really consider it a fitness item.

    Neither the duration nor the intensity of physical activity it provides are enough to substitute for real exercise.

    It's still better (fitness-wise) than sitting on the couch with a controller, though, and I find that physically interacting with the game makes certain games (like Child of Eden) much more enjoyable.

    BTW, the games that see the most play on my Kinect are Dance Central (I don't have 2 yet :( ), Disneyland Adventures (fuck yeah Disneyland!), and Child of Eden.
    If you're not breaking a sweat from DC or Just Dance, you're doing it wrong.

  • PajamaHeroPajamaHero Dream Master Slumber LandRegistered User regular
    edited April 2014
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    Thanatos wrote:
    Feral wrote:
    I love my Kinect a lot, but I don't really consider it a fitness item.

    Neither the duration nor the intensity of physical activity it provides are enough to substitute for real exercise.

    It's still better (fitness-wise) than sitting on the couch with a controller, though, and I find that physically interacting with the game makes certain games (like Child of Eden) much more enjoyable.

    BTW, the games that see the most play on my Kinect are Dance Central (I don't have 2 yet :( ), Disneyland Adventures (fuck yeah Disneyland!), and Child of Eden.
    If you're not breaking a sweat from DC or Just Dance, you're doing it wrong.

    I'd be very surprised if a 30m Dance Central setlist at any difficulty can bring your heartrate up as high for as long as 30m of jogging or elliptical.

    I mean, I don't have a direct comparison or anything, and I don't play Dance Central on Hard because I suck and I can't do the moves. Dance Central at the difficulties I'm playing on (Easy/Medium) leaves me feeling slightly winded but nowhere even remotely close to a solid run. I can watch something like this, which is the hardest setlist in the game:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KN7lRZiws

    and it strikes me as a mild-to-moderate workout, roughly equivalent to a level 1 aerobics video. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination but this is supposedly as vigorous as it gets.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • DracilDracil Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    I'm a fan of Alternate Reality games with my favorite being Journey to the End of the Night: http://totheendofthenight.com/ It's basically a zombie simulation that has you running through the city to reach various checkpoints without getting caught, or once caught, prevent the remaining survivors from reaching their destinations. It does have some real-life consequences though for the unsafe and unlucky (I've seen people run through traffic to avoid getting caught!). There are even "sidequest" locations that could give you "get-out-of-jail" items from the zombies if they catch you.

    Other AR sites that aren't necessarily about exercise, but might get you out into the real-world doing real-world movements (important for fitness IMO) are sf0.org and supergoing.com

    Otherwise, a lot of people like fitocracy.com, which basically gamifies exercise and gives you quests and points.

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  • PajamaHeroPajamaHero Dream Master Slumber LandRegistered User regular
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  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Aside from games that integrate exercise into the gameplay, you can also use video games as a pacing tool. I'll explain:

    I don't know if you're much of a basketball fan, but there is a player in the NBA named Dwight Howard. The man is huge, even compared to other people who are themselves huge. He's bulging with muscle and there's not an ounce of fat on him:

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    That's a man who is 6'11" tall, by the way, which makes those biceps bigger than most people's legs.

    When he was asked about how he was able to get into such great shape, Dwight Howard said that after games, while his team was on road trips, he would retire to his hotel and play video games all night. But that's not all he did. He would use the gaming to pace himself as he would work out. He would play a quarter of NBA 2K, then do 100 pushups. He would play another quarter, and do 100 situps. Another quarter, and he would run in place or do some plyometric drills. After a couple of seasons of this, his strength and conditioning became immaculate.

    Obviously this is the regimen of a professional athlete, so those exact repetitions and exercises may not apply. But the lesson does.

    Dwight was taking his body through the normal exertion --> rest progression that one does while working out, and using video games as a way of clocking the time it takes to recuperate between exercises. It also works as a sort of reward system as well, but I would caution you that it takes the discipline to constantly, briefly pull yourself away from an activity that you find fun.

    Think of games that you enjoy which can be readily divided into segments, into levels, into portions that can be completed in a few minutes. That's what you should try playing. You do a little gaming, then you do five minutes on the exercise bike, or some dumbbell curls, or some core work, or whatever the recommended exercise is in the program you're following. Once you're exhausted, you reward yourself and rest with some gaming, then it's back to exercising, back and forth like that.

    Before you know it, you'll be 7 feet tall and dunking on people in the NBA. Or at least in much better shape. ;-)

    Good luck!

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  • RandomEngyRandomEngy Registered User regular
    Dance Dance Revolution is the only game I know that really gives me a good workout. It kept me in good enough shape to run a 5k easily. You do burn some calories with Dance Central or Rock Band drums, but it's not close to DDR at higher difficulties.

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  • KMGorKMGor Registered User regular
    RandomEngy wrote:
    Dance Dance Revolution is the only game I know that really gives me a good workout. It kept me in good enough shape to run a 5k easily. You do burn some calories with Dance Central or Rock Band drums, but it's not close to DDR at higher difficulties.

    +1

    I haven't been doing it regularly, but I remember at one point I was doing what DDR said was 1000 calories burned two or three days a week (split up into two sessions of 500). That was A LOT of exercise, and was more intense then jogging. It's also plyometric, essentially, so it builds some strength as well. Downside is it's basically all leg work, but it's a hell of a workout.

    I should take that up again.

  • fragglefartfragglefart Registered User regular
    DDR is pretty intense but using a mat and stuff is slippy and hassley and I never felt like I got any quality workout from it.

    Rock Band Expert Pro Drums are just insane, depending on the songs you pick, and can leave your whole body sweating, especially with double bass pedals. Fire up AC/DC Live and try to play through it all in one go if you want to see what I mean...

    Just Dance 3 is also exhausting, but also totally fun, which counts for a lot. 'One more go' = motivation!

    Fruit Ninja is tiring but not particularly awesome for specific training.

    Kinect Sports boxing makes me work up a right sweat on harder difficulties and the football game is good for reactions and speed.

    But both Your Shape 2011 and 2012 are fantastic tools to use within a workout.

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