Garen definitely has the early advantage. You can try to dodge his Q with clone but probably you'll be looking at getting your jungle in to kill him, at least flash is his only real escape ability. Try to bait him using E near the minion wave so he pushes it.
Yup! I absolutely love Kat and at times I play a damn mean Katarina. I've had more than a couple games where i'm sitting on fat stacks and makin' all the murder.
Then my team is dicking around as I tap on the enemy towers like i'm trying to tell it a knock-knock joke. The enemies are all down. My team is either at our fountain or killing wolves. 30 seconds later the tower has half health and the enemy team is up.
Two questions:
1. Is Ziggs fun to play?
2. How difficult is he to play? Is it Corki difficult or Veigar difficult?
1. fun is subjective. I personally like his design, he has this mad laugh and his ult is entertaining.
2. he is a bit tricky to master because your skillshot isn't just "lead a target", you need to factor in bounce speed and whether or not it will hop over a (minion wave).
2a. corki is like any other ranged ad asshole. right click and win!
2b. veigar is very hard to use effectively.
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First summoners rift with Ziggs after playing ~10 dominions. At this point I am pretty good at bouncing his Q over minion waves.
Went Mid vs Annie.
I felt bad for the other player, she never got past mid lane unless I got cocky and tibber dropped or ganked from the other lanes. Almost every minion wave I got to her tower for a few hits. At one point I was 3 levels ahead of her.
I have a hard time playong corki for some reason and the only issue i have with veigar is that damn stun trap. Ziggs looks like just pure harassment fun but I'm trying to get a better idea on how he plays. The champion spotlights only gives me so much to go on
Garen definitely has the early advantage. You can try to dodge his Q with clone but probably you'll be looking at getting your jungle in to kill him, at least flash is his only real escape ability. Try to bait him using E near the minion wave so he pushes it.
Yeah ok that's what happened - I was pressed against the tower te entire time pretty much
Though what is a "jungler"???
Is that the guy who keeps running bot and complains about the wards they have there and never comes top
Man, had a few great games as Mundo last night to break my losing streak.
Have been experimenting a bit with running armpen reds & quints/armor yellow/MRblue instead of MagPen, and I rather like the results, since you can't miss with melee attacks by accidentally hitting the minion that's between you and your target.
And people don't seem to expect the massive AD bump from E when you're low. Being able to jump to almost 150 AD before level 6 can turn a attempt on killing them into a kill. Pepper the target with thrown cleavers, season to taste. When low, slow'em and get in and rock their world.
Also have been going Doran's Shield first instead of Regrowth Pendants. One of these days I'll actually get a Atma's built. Been debating getting a Black Cleaver afterwards. (Always Be Cleavin'.)
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I never really saw the point in going for the gold/10 masteries when you could just get the one that gives you gold on kill/assists... as long as you get at least 1 kill every 2min on avg they break even for gold generation. Well, if you are going to go down the tanky tree anyway.
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I never really saw the point in going for the gold/10 masteries when you could just get the one that gives you gold on kill/assists... as long as you get at least 1 kill every 2min on avg they break even for gold generation. Well, if you are going to go down the tanky tree anyway.
I went all the way
with similar results
that BT changed several times, it was a frozen heart before i realized blitz had one. So i sold it and bought an IEdge, then someone said I was dumb and told me to get BT so I did and was going to resell it for Iedge but was 100 short
Now i really really really fucking want "The Crimson Permanent Assurance" Gangplank. The only part that isn't clearly done is what his gun would be (swords/hat/outfit are all easy to determine)
I never really saw the point in going for the gold/10 masteries when you could just get the one that gives you gold on kill/assists... as long as you get at least 1 kill every 2min on avg they break even for gold generation. Well, if you are going to go down the tanky tree anyway.
You "break even" but if you don't get those kills in the early part of the game you do not get your gp/10 items as soon. The GP/10 masteries aren't just about the raw amount of money, its about what the money allows you to do (I.E. zero CS support) and part of that is about making sure you have income as soon as possible.
I never really saw the point in going for the gold/10 masteries when you could just get the one that gives you gold on kill/assists... as long as you get at least 1 kill every 2min on avg they break even for gold generation. Well, if you are going to go down the tanky tree anyway.
I can't remember the last time I had 10 kills and assists at 20 minutes.
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I never really saw the point in going for the gold/10 masteries when you could just get the one that gives you gold on kill/assists... as long as you get at least 1 kill every 2min on avg they break even for gold generation. Well, if you are going to go down the tanky tree anyway.
I can't remember the last time I had 10 kills and assists at 20 minutes.
I never really saw the point in going for the gold/10 masteries when you could just get the one that gives you gold on kill/assists... as long as you get at least 1 kill every 2min on avg they break even for gold generation. Well, if you are going to go down the tanky tree anyway.
I can't remember the last time I had 10 kills and assists at 20 minutes.
I remember 5 kills in 5 minutes.
Bot games don't count!
Though I really do need to try AD Malz in PVP. Tear, CDR Boots, Brutalizer, Manamune, Frozen Heart and Gunblade works incredibly well on him.
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I never really saw the point in going for the gold/10 masteries when you could just get the one that gives you gold on kill/assists... as long as you get at least 1 kill every 2min on avg they break even for gold generation. Well, if you are going to go down the tanky tree anyway.
I can't remember the last time I had 10 kills and assists at 20 minutes.
I remember 5 kills in 5 minutes.
Bot games don't count!
Though I really do need to try AD Malz in PVP. Tear, CDR Boots, Brutalizer, Manamune, Frozen Heart and Gunblade works incredibly well on him.
Newbots are kinda scary. Well. Karthusbot is, at least.
The problem I have with AD Malz, is that his spells are great utility, but don't really set up the ability for him to pewpew people down with his AA. Though they're good for avoiding some burst from AD types, which puts him in a similar role to Talon and Kassadin.
You can't AA while ulting them, but your Voidlings will go and snack on their surpressed bodies. I guess that's something? What's his AA range like? Is it stupidobscenegood like Annie and Cait?
AD Annie could be pretty insane, using her spells for last hits/stun buildup and utility. You'd max Molten Shield first.
The new bots cheat. I was playing Shaco and they would ignore my invisibility and target me whenever they felt like it. Same for targetting inside a bush.
I never really saw the point in going for the gold/10 masteries when you could just get the one that gives you gold on kill/assists... as long as you get at least 1 kill every 2min on avg they break even for gold generation. Well, if you are going to go down the tanky tree anyway.
The heck? You average 30 kills an hour in your games? Cait all day erry day?
The problem I have with AD Malz, is that his spells are great utility, but don't really set up the ability for him to pewpew people down with his AA. Though they're good for avoiding some burst from AD types, which puts him in a similar role to Talon and Kassadin.
You can't AA while ulting them, but your Voidlings will go and snack on their surpressed bodies. I guess that's something? What's his AA range like? Is it stupidobscenegood like Annie and Cait?
AD Annie could be pretty insane, using her spells for last hits/stun buildup and utility. You'd max Molten Shield first.
His AA range is 550, which is completely average for a ranged attacker. I get the feeling AD Malz would be best against a skillshot-based AP champ - his voidlings would get in the way of their abilities and move faster than them, his now-spammable silence would reduce their burst potential, and they're probably fairly squishy anyway.
I think AD annie is a bit weaker in the current meta. In the meta in which AD's don't all have escapes, AD based nukes, and a steroid she would be really really strong. She has decent defenses, easy starting farm, and can charge for AoE stuns/zoning which can turn a game around.
I should play some AD annie more, i think she could be a decent counter pick to some ranged AD if set up right. Should be really good with a kill lane partner since you can scale well into the late game with the fact that you're 625 AA ranged AD and can set up a gank with your q.
IIRC you start q then r>e>q>w charge with q/e, stun with q or r and AD the hell out of them.
On the other hand, your e is roughly the strength of Graves passive, you have to get really close to stun unless its your ult, and you have nothing if you don't have your stun proc'd.
The heck? You average 30 kills an hour in your games? Cait all day erry day?
Its kills/assists so you can count the total. 30 seems about right for an hour if you're in the thick of things (and your team is not failing terribly) since you're going to get assists simply by damaging the focus of your team, let alone the assists you get for helping your bot partner or jungler kill etc.
The longer games will even out the shorter games as most kills/assists come in team fights unless one lane is really getting stomped (which tends to end the game early)
Why would you AD annie mid instead of AP annie mid? Even if they brought a ranged AD carry mid. Your spells have the same ranged as your AA, don't proc minion aggro, and AP scales better with levels.
Also, can you jungle AD malzahar? Start wolves-> blue and proc your voidling before you start...
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you can jungle anyfing
just like you can go mid or top lane ap shaco like a brave man! IT IS REAL WAY 2 PLAY SHACO! JUNGLE FOR BIG COWARD!!!!
I have a hard time playong corki for some reason and the only issue i have with veigar is that damn stun trap. Ziggs looks like just pure harassment fun but I'm trying to get a better idea on how he plays. The champion spotlights only gives me so much to go on
Are you one of those people that go for an IEdge on corki? Don't be.
I guess I would like to know too because I get best friend as soon as possible on him and then that inevitably turns into IE.
You deal about half your damage through your abilities, so while Corki's AA hurts a lot, it isn't your only source of damage. You never really build a high crit% to make the IE worthwhile. It's generally thought to be better to go with a BC because it synergies well with your E (gatling gun), and makes it incredibly easy to shred someones armor to below 0. BT's are even a better choice over the IE.
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no u has 2 buy triforce 1st on corki bcuz it wurks wiv his ult
ignor his pasiv is nut vry gud..................
I wish I could like Triforce, but it always feels wrong. Like, Zeal and Sheen in particular feel like bad purchases, and you have to have two purchases for quite a while, at which time enemies are getting advanced items like BT or Randuin's, which have all the 'added value' of a completed item.
...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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no u has 2 buy triforce 1st on corki bcuz it wurks wiv his ult
ignor his pasiv is nut vry gud..................
I wish I could like Triforce, but it always feels wrong. Like, Zeal and Sheen in particular feel like bad purchases, and you have to have two purchases for quite a while, at which time enemies are getting advanced items like BT or Randuin's, which have all the 'added value' of a completed item.
i really love zeals on some champs, but i feel the same way you do about the triforce
Just came back from being 5-16 at 12 minutes to eventually win at 42-39 after 55 minutes.
Team was fucking awful, how they didn't win 25 minutes ago I have no idea. I ended up building every single aura item on Zilean, saved someone's life pretty much the second my ult came off cd for the entire game. Singed decided early on to scapegoat me for everything so spammed requests to have me reported every 2 minutes.
'omg why u no help me' - singed dives 1v5 with 2 of our team already dead and the other at fountain. Expects support zilean to march in and turn that into a victory. Other people on my team had to keep explaining to her that no, my build isn't retarded, it's called playing support.
There was one point where we had a teamfight in the jungle, I ult'd Zigg's to save his life while the other team continued to pointlessly focus him, then picked up assists on the 3 guys we took down. Ziggs took down two of those after he was revived. I swear to god, singed yelled at me for ulting (?) and made another request I be reported for this(?). This is the same Singed who died 3 times in 5 minutes to jungle shaco and never once bought a ward the entire game, even after I told her she should stop complaining about their jungle and maybe ward the damn river.
First truly terrible game I've had for a while now.
In other news: support zilean too good. We lost early on (Zil + Ashe vs Caitlyn + Alistar) as you might expect. But man was their Alistar almost a waste of space late game while I was giving us a free life, speed/slows and still respectable bomb damage. He rarely got anything good out of his pummel or headbutt, largely because we had J4 who would force seperations with his ult, and because I would just cripple his movespeed or boost someone out of the way.
So I bought Poppy last night, and I've really enjoyed playing her as an AP bruiser (ie, ramming into walls all day, walking under enemy towers with no fucks given, etc).
I'm still trying to nail down the build-order though, currently going with:
Philo > Boots > HoG > Sheen > Mercs > Zeal > Tri > FH
I like a DFG on Poppy for that extra fuck you, and I'd probably get a lucky pick instead of HoG to build into it. You're going a long time with only +25 ap for a champ you're playing as AP.
Yeah, that's the one thing that bugged me about that build, but the extra movement speed from Zeal is really sweet (especially with her W). Maybe instead of building a Tri off the Sheen I should go for a Lich's Bane instead...
I'm not sure that's enough AP to make LB all that worth it. Tri is still a great item on her and 2 gp/5 items + ult tower dive kills will make up for her poor farming.
Zeke's is not as good as it should be, especially compared to starks. Maybe it was intentional because they hate Tim Buckley but Tim has enough fans to get that pushed through so they were begrudgingly compelled to appease that fanbase after they went through all the trouble of organizing and using the referral system.
Corki, like Ezreal, traditonally goes for Triforce into BT. This is largely because 3force is very potent on skillshot heavy ad carries. Its not that their auto attacks are weaker than the other ad carries, its that their steroids aren't very good. 3force provides a damage amplifier for your auto-attacks from using your spammable, damage heavy nukes. Add on to this that BT has more straight up damage than IE for champs that aren't going for phantom dancer, is cheaper, and provides you with lifesteal to stay up through a fight, and its pretty obvious why BT comes out ahead. Its also worth noting that both corki and ez have increadibly good escapes/kite so that they won't lose the bt bonus.
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Yup! I absolutely love Kat and at times I play a damn mean Katarina. I've had more than a couple games where i'm sitting on fat stacks and makin' all the murder.
Then my team is dicking around as I tap on the enemy towers like i'm trying to tell it a knock-knock joke. The enemies are all down. My team is either at our fountain or killing wolves. 30 seconds later the tower has half health and the enemy team is up.
bb can't push
1. Is Ziggs fun to play?
2. How difficult is he to play? Is it Corki difficult or Veigar difficult?
1. fun is subjective. I personally like his design, he has this mad laugh and his ult is entertaining.
2. he is a bit tricky to master because your skillshot isn't just "lead a target", you need to factor in bounce speed and whether or not it will hop over a (minion wave).
2a. corki is like any other ranged ad asshole. right click and win!
2b. veigar is very hard to use effectively.
Went Mid vs Annie.
I felt bad for the other player, she never got past mid lane unless I got cocky and tibber dropped or ganked from the other lanes. Almost every minion wave I got to her tower for a few hits. At one point I was 3 levels ahead of her.
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Yeah ok that's what happened - I was pressed against the tower te entire time pretty much
Though what is a "jungler"???
Is that the guy who keeps running bot and complains about the wards they have there and never comes top
Have been experimenting a bit with running armpen reds & quints/armor yellow/MRblue instead of MagPen, and I rather like the results, since you can't miss with melee attacks by accidentally hitting the minion that's between you and your target.
And people don't seem to expect the massive AD bump from E when you're low. Being able to jump to almost 150 AD before level 6 can turn a attempt on killing them into a kill. Pepper the target with thrown cleavers, season to taste. When low, slow'em and get in and rock their world.
Also have been going Doran's Shield first instead of Regrowth Pendants. One of these days I'll actually get a Atma's built. Been debating getting a Black Cleaver afterwards. (Always Be Cleavin'.)
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I went all the way
with similar results
that BT changed several times, it was a frozen heart before i realized blitz had one. So i sold it and bought an IEdge, then someone said I was dumb and told me to get BT so I did and was going to resell it for Iedge but was 100 short
Now i really really really fucking want "The Crimson Permanent Assurance" Gangplank. The only part that isn't clearly done is what his gun would be (swords/hat/outfit are all easy to determine)
You "break even" but if you don't get those kills in the early part of the game you do not get your gp/10 items as soon. The GP/10 masteries aren't just about the raw amount of money, its about what the money allows you to do (I.E. zero CS support) and part of that is about making sure you have income as soon as possible.
I can't remember the last time I had 10 kills and assists at 20 minutes.
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Bot games don't count!
Though I really do need to try AD Malz in PVP. Tear, CDR Boots, Brutalizer, Manamune, Frozen Heart and Gunblade works incredibly well on him.
The problem I have with AD Malz, is that his spells are great utility, but don't really set up the ability for him to pewpew people down with his AA. Though they're good for avoiding some burst from AD types, which puts him in a similar role to Talon and Kassadin.
You can't AA while ulting them, but your Voidlings will go and snack on their surpressed bodies. I guess that's something? What's his AA range like? Is it stupidobscenegood like Annie and Cait?
AD Annie could be pretty insane, using her spells for last hits/stun buildup and utility. You'd max Molten Shield first.
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Support Zilean still great.
His AA range is 550, which is completely average for a ranged attacker. I get the feeling AD Malz would be best against a skillshot-based AP champ - his voidlings would get in the way of their abilities and move faster than them, his now-spammable silence would reduce their burst potential, and they're probably fairly squishy anyway.
I should play some AD annie more, i think she could be a decent counter pick to some ranged AD if set up right. Should be really good with a kill lane partner since you can scale well into the late game with the fact that you're 625 AA ranged AD and can set up a gank with your q.
IIRC you start q then r>e>q>w charge with q/e, stun with q or r and AD the hell out of them.
On the other hand, your e is roughly the strength of Graves passive, you have to get really close to stun unless its your ult, and you have nothing if you don't have your stun proc'd.
Its kills/assists so you can count the total. 30 seems about right for an hour if you're in the thick of things (and your team is not failing terribly) since you're going to get assists simply by damaging the focus of your team, let alone the assists you get for helping your bot partner or jungler kill etc.
The longer games will even out the shorter games as most kills/assists come in team fights unless one lane is really getting stomped (which tends to end the game early)
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Also, can you jungle AD malzahar? Start wolves-> blue and proc your voidling before you start...
just like you can go mid or top lane ap shaco like a brave man! IT IS REAL WAY 2 PLAY SHACO! JUNGLE FOR BIG COWARD!!!!
Are you one of those people that go for an IEdge on corki? Don't be.
My current corki build: 6 mana crystals
I guess I would like to know too because I get best friend as soon as possible on him and then that inevitably turns into IE.
You deal about half your damage through your abilities, so while Corki's AA hurts a lot, it isn't your only source of damage. You never really build a high crit% to make the IE worthwhile. It's generally thought to be better to go with a BC because it synergies well with your E (gatling gun), and makes it incredibly easy to shred someones armor to below 0. BT's are even a better choice over the IE.
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ignor his pasiv is nut vry gud..................
I wish I could like Triforce, but it always feels wrong. Like, Zeal and Sheen in particular feel like bad purchases, and you have to have two purchases for quite a while, at which time enemies are getting advanced items like BT or Randuin's, which have all the 'added value' of a completed item.
i really love zeals on some champs, but i feel the same way you do about the triforce
Team was fucking awful, how they didn't win 25 minutes ago I have no idea. I ended up building every single aura item on Zilean, saved someone's life pretty much the second my ult came off cd for the entire game. Singed decided early on to scapegoat me for everything so spammed requests to have me reported every 2 minutes.
'omg why u no help me' - singed dives 1v5 with 2 of our team already dead and the other at fountain. Expects support zilean to march in and turn that into a victory. Other people on my team had to keep explaining to her that no, my build isn't retarded, it's called playing support.
There was one point where we had a teamfight in the jungle, I ult'd Zigg's to save his life while the other team continued to pointlessly focus him, then picked up assists on the 3 guys we took down. Ziggs took down two of those after he was revived. I swear to god, singed yelled at me for ulting (?) and made another request I be reported for this(?). This is the same Singed who died 3 times in 5 minutes to jungle shaco and never once bought a ward the entire game, even after I told her she should stop complaining about their jungle and maybe ward the damn river.
First truly terrible game I've had for a while now.
In other news: support zilean too good. We lost early on (Zil + Ashe vs Caitlyn + Alistar) as you might expect. But man was their Alistar almost a waste of space late game while I was giving us a free life, speed/slows and still respectable bomb damage. He rarely got anything good out of his pummel or headbutt, largely because we had J4 who would force seperations with his ult, and because I would just cripple his movespeed or boost someone out of the way.
I'm still trying to nail down the build-order though, currently going with:
Philo > Boots > HoG > Sheen > Mercs > Zeal > Tri > FH
Any suggestions?