Crusader Kings 2 Multiplayer Extravaganza! (Tues/Thurs 10 PM; Save in OP)

Phyphor

There's a castle ruled by someone of the right government, right? Give him the county, he should switch the castle to be the main building and give away the city, then revoke his title

Aegis

Ew. Revoking titles hits me with a massive vassal opinion loss.

shalmelo

Aegis wrote:

Ew. Revoking titles hits me with a massive vassal opinion loss.

You're the one raking in the dough - a little gold goes a long way to turn those vassal frowns upside down.

(actually, what am I saying, you've been giving a bunch of your spare gold to me...forget I said anything :P )

Aegis

Speaking of vassals, has that idiot I have in Parma done anything more to try and grab Genoa from you? Ever since I slapped his Civil War down to start the game (I swear this never happened in any of my test runs) he's been quiet as all hell.

shalmelo

Aegis wrote:

Speaking of vassals, has that idiot I have in Parma done anything more to try and grab Genoa from you? Ever since I slapped his Civil War down to start the game (I swear this never happened in any of my test runs) he's been quiet as all hell.

Nah. He pressed the claim but hasn't done anything else about it. One of your other vassals (Lucca, maybe? I forget which) did the same thing a little while after Parma did, though. I get the feeling that they also sent their Chancellors over to Genoa at the start of the game and got really annoyed when I snatched it up before they could put a claim together.

Aegis

Lucca was the other one that joined Parma in my Civil War. I figure they're either related, allies, or otherwise friendly.

shalmelo

That's one feature that I do miss from the first CK - when someone attacked you to press a claim on some of your territory and you won the ensuing war, you could force them to relinquish their claims as part of your peace terms. Unless I'm missing something in the diplomacy menu, that doesn't appear to be an option any more. Which sucks, because it basically means that I'm going to have to put up with opportunistic sniping at Padua forever and ever amen.

Captain Carrot

You don't get peace terms anymore, really. No choices besides winning, white peace, and losing. That sucks majorly, and I hope they change it.

Aegis

Well you'll only be stuck until Padma's ruler dies, since claims you get by Fabricating don't carry over to successive generations.

Phyphor

Actually they do, if a war was declared to press it. Maybe they'll lose if if they fully lose, but not white peace

Comradebot

shalmelo wrote:

That's one feature that I do miss from the first CK - when someone attacked you to press a claim on some of your territory and you won the ensuing war, you could force them to relinquish their claims as part of your peace terms. Unless I'm missing something in the diplomacy menu, that doesn't appear to be an option any more. Which sucks, because it basically means that I'm going to have to put up with opportunistic sniping at Padua forever and ever amen.

Weird... when Scotland tried to sieze Caithness from me, they were forced to relinquish all future claims when they surrendered. Maybe it's De Jure stuff that can't be surrendered?

Aegis

Also, do we want to poke Euphoriac, MindLib, & Demiurge to see if they're available? Though I think Euphoriac recently posted and noted something about game issues.

Phyphor

Comradebot wrote:

shalmelo wrote:

That's one feature that I do miss from the first CK - when someone attacked you to press a claim on some of your territory and you won the ensuing war, you could force them to relinquish their claims as part of your peace terms. Unless I'm missing something in the diplomacy menu, that doesn't appear to be an option any more. Which sucks, because it basically means that I'm going to have to put up with opportunistic sniping at Padua forever and ever amen.

Weird... when Scotland tried to sieze Caithness from me, they were forced to relinquish all future claims when they surrendered. Maybe it's De Jure stuff that can't be surrendered?

Yeah, if they're the duke, then they can always claim the county as long as they're the duke

Comradebot

Phyphor wrote:

Comradebot wrote:

shalmelo wrote:

That's one feature that I do miss from the first CK - when someone attacked you to press a claim on some of your territory and you won the ensuing war, you could force them to relinquish their claims as part of your peace terms. Unless I'm missing something in the diplomacy menu, that doesn't appear to be an option any more. Which sucks, because it basically means that I'm going to have to put up with opportunistic sniping at Padua forever and ever amen.

Weird... when Scotland tried to sieze Caithness from me, they were forced to relinquish all future claims when they surrendered. Maybe it's De Jure stuff that can't be surrendered?

Yeah, if they're the duke, then they can always claim the county as long as they're the duke

Interesting... though I think Caithness is the de jure Dutchy of Orkney, which is already in my hands. So... yay, no worries about some lesser Scotsman throwing lives away in a fool's war over that hunk of land (at least for the forseeable future).

shalmelo

Phyphor wrote:

Comradebot wrote:

shalmelo wrote:

That's one feature that I do miss from the first CK - when someone attacked you to press a claim on some of your territory and you won the ensuing war, you could force them to relinquish their claims as part of your peace terms. Unless I'm missing something in the diplomacy menu, that doesn't appear to be an option any more. Which sucks, because it basically means that I'm going to have to put up with opportunistic sniping at Padua forever and ever amen.

Weird... when Scotland tried to sieze Caithness from me, they were forced to relinquish all future claims when they surrendered. Maybe it's De Jure stuff that can't be surrendered?

Yeah, if they're the duke, then they can always claim the county as long as they're the duke

Ah, OK. That makes a little more sense. Padua's part of (de jure) Carinthia, so whoever is the Duke of Carinthia will always have a claim to it, no matter how often I smack them down. Those lousy Counts in Parma and Lucca, on the other hand?

shalmelo

Aegis wrote:

Also, do we want to poke Euphoriac, MindLib, & Demiurge to see if they're available? Though I think Euphoriac recently posted and noted something about game issues.

If I'm remembering right, Demiurge is in one of those godforsaken time zones. It's something like 5am his time when we'll be playing.

I could have sworn I saw MindLib in vent last night before I joined the game, though. Not sure what happened there...

Aegis

Yea, I did too when I joined about a half-hour before the game started and just idled in the lobby. Maybe times got mixed up?

As for Padua, you might have some more dust-ups with Carinthia in the near future as I plan to pause after Venice and work on consolidating the independent bishoprics in central Italy above the Pope. I was probably going to do this anyway, but the fact that I have a second son makes this a higher priority to stuff him into one of them.

enlightenedbum

As far as I'm concerned, people are free to join until we get to 12, with pride of place going to those three. But the two who wanted Georgian territories will have to go somewhere else.

Aegis

Did Georgia and Alania get completely dissolved (ie- do they start as kingdoms or something?) or is there still a Duchy that can be played of either that just got absorbed into a larger empire?

enlightenedbum

Well, their territory is all part of Azerbaijan.

PolloDiablo

enlightenedbum wrote:

Spaniards, Pollo, tonight good?

Yeah, it's fine. I'm not sure if this'll post since the forums are all wonky again.

Aegis

Hahaha

I'm poking around the MP saved game we have before I go back to my Navarre game, and this is what I've noticed: Iceland is at war with Norway. This war is also joined by the independent realms of Jamtland (who are occupying Norwegian territory) & Bergenshus and the Duchy of Orkney, all of whom are on Iceland's side.

Phyphor

I have discovered if you claim a duke's last county they just take over one of their vassals'... somewhat disappointing, but meh

enlightenedbum

That's how it worked in CK1 as well. And yeah, I've been watching the Norwegian Civil War(s) with interest.

enlightenedbum

That is all eight of us, by the way, so see y'all at 10.

Aegis

I just hope Denmark grabs all of Norway and makes a gigantic orange blob up there.

Captain Carrot

enlightenedbum wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, people are free to join until we get to 12, with pride of place going to those three. But the two who wanted Georgian territories will have to go somewhere else.

Ideally somewhere in Poland/Hungary/Scandinavia, because everywhere else is kind of crowded.

shalmelo

Definitely some interesting activity going on in the vicinity of Poland, especially if you could manage to wander north a bit and insert yourself into the big Scandinavian clusterfuck.

Aegis

Back sitting in Game On: Crafting Mines for when people trickle in.

Phyphor

Game's up

Phyphor

Phyphor wrote:

To save time for next session, assuming this works:

Save at http://phyphor.padev.net/mp_Flanders1093_01_02.zip
Unzip into My Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\save games

New save: http://phyphor.padev.net/mp_Castille1099_10_05.zip

Elvenshae

details!

Aegis

We actually just crashed so we're getting everyone back in first to continue.

Aegis

God damnit, Medium Crown Authority. How in the hell are we going to manage with that?

Between myself and you, shalmelo, we might be able to raise 7000-8000 men but that still doesn't equal the typical HRE deathstack. Then again, we could sow a revolt in Baden (he's the heir to the HRE throne) or some Duchy that has a hatred for the Emperor and join in when he revolts.

Captain Carrot

Can either of you get a plot to reduce Crown Authority?

enlightenedbum

There should be a lower crown authority plot somewhere, the AIs get it at least.

Aegis

Hmm. I'll have to look. I've had an unsuccessful plot to kill the Duke of Baden for at least half a decade if not more now (because none of the 30 jackasses that I get as an option wants to kill him) so I might have to drop that.

enlightenedbum

Also, right near the end of the session I FINALLY got the fucking claim on Kildare after 30 some years. So Tuesday night the Kingdom of Ireland will form. Followed by the conquest of Ulster from Scotland, possibly assassinating my way into Orkney, and a massive building program.

Aegis

jdarksun wrote:

How bug is the typical HRE death stack?

12000 give or take a few thousand. That's if it calls up all its vassals, so if multiple large Dukes rebel it could be reduced by a couple thousand.

Aegis

Hah. Loading up the MP save in singleplayer, Sultan Roger of Sicily immediately goes and forms the Sultanate of Africa and switches that to his main title, so all of lower Italy now shows just green Africa.