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Sony blackballs Kotaku

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Bad publicity is the new good publicity.


    This is a load of shit if i've ever heard it.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Bad publicity is the new good publicity.


    This is a load of shit if i've ever heard it.

    Also, loss is the new profit.

    Sony logic, ya know.

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  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Anyone wanna take bets on what the "Mii" system is going to be called?

    I'll go with Homy.

    Sony Homy.

    Of course the word Homie is spelled wrong. It's cool.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Bad publicity is the new good publicity.


    This is a load of shit if i've ever heard it.

    Also, loss is the new profit.

    Sony logic, ya know.

    What was that guy from Joystiq that expounded asshatery to the point where Gabe and Tycho commented on him?

    Sheep on
  • capable heartcapable heart Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Bad publicity is the new good publicity.


    This is a load of shit if i've ever heard it.

    But a lot of the time, it seems like Sony works their decisions according to some alien, non-Euclidean system of logic. Maybe they think it is, or can't tell the difference, or don't care.

    capable heart on
  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Dublo7 wrote: »
    Anyone wanna take bets on what the "Mii" system is going to be called?

    I'll go with Homy.

    Sony Homy.

    Of course the word Homie is spelled wrong. It's cool.

    I SEE SQUIRRELS!

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  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Bad publicity is the new good publicity.


    This is a load of shit if i've ever heard it.

    Seeing as you intend to respond to tongue-in-cheek dicking around with a denouncement with no supporting arguments, I shall be likewise unhelpful: Shit typically isn't noticed through your ears. More through your eyes and nose.

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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Was the person who broke the story for Kotaku, or any person in a position of authority at Kotaku, under an NDA about this PS Home information? Because if not, then tough shit. If someone anonymously leaks second-hand game-related NDA'd info to me, I'm gonna tell everyone about it. I'm not under an NDA, the only person that should get in trouble is the person who leaked it.

    Considering the nature of hte conversation mentioned in the news post, it certainly seems like an NDA wasn't involved.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Bad publicity is the new good publicity.


    This is a load of shit if i've ever heard it.

    I believe the saying goes, "All publicity is good publicity." Which isn't necessarily true.

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  • APZonerunnerAPZonerunner Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, people say there's no such thing as bad publicity, and that can be true enough when you're refering to... for example, a celebrity. Say they've got a new movie out and then they get in the public eye for something bad - a lot of people will go see it to watch them based on "oh, that's the guy who was drunk driving" or whatever. That's proven by facts and figures.

    But when you're talking about a $599 videogame system it just isn't the case. Nobody's going to drop that amount of money just to see if all the bad press is deserving, as might be the case with spending $10 to go to the movies. The idea of there being no such thing as bad publicity just can't be applied to Sony's current state of affairs.

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  • KarfKarf The Past Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, this tells me the rumor was true. That's a very good thing for the PS3, and the platform needs stuff like that.

    Also, I don't read Kotaku thinking in my head "Wow, these guys are sure good with news!" but rather, I read just to see whats going on and what the bloggers have to say. Anyone thinking a blogger needs a journalistic backing to be legitimized is thinking about blogs all wrong.

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Jesus. Every time I think Sony doesn't need any more negative press, MORE things come up.


    Just when I think their incidents can't get any more ludicrous, they do.

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  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Sleep wrote: »
    Well, they're a blog. So they have never ever been a news site.
    They certainly like to pretend they are, though.
    Karf wrote:
    Anyone thinking a blogger needs a journalistic backing to be legitimized is thinking about blogs all wrong.
    Without getting into a big thing about blogs, I think you're the one thinking about them all wrong. Blogs aren't the 'livejournal-lites' they were a few years ago. Now sites like Kotaku like to hide behind the 'were just a blog!' banner, when that's what they are in name only.

    Houk on
  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Kotaku to buy Sony in 5 minutes?

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  • KarfKarf The Past Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Houk wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    Well, they're a blog. So they have never ever been a news site.
    They certainly like to pretend they are, though.
    Karf wrote:
    Anyone thinking a blogger needs a journalistic backing to be legitimized is thinking about blogs all wrong.
    Without getting into a big thing about blogs, I think you're the one thinking about them all wrong. Blogs aren't the 'livejournal-lites' they were a few years ago. Now sites like Kotaku like to hide behind the 'were just a blog!' banner, when that's what they are in name only.

    Whats wrong with not taking them seriously? If blogs become entrenched in our mindsets as journalists, and then blogs because journalistic, then we don't have blogs anymore. All we have is what we began with.

    But that's a discussion for another thread.

    -edit- Dammit, that is such a strawman, Karf. You should know better.

    I'm going to go off myself behind the Halo 2 thread.

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  • APZonerunnerAPZonerunner Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Houk wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    Well, they're a blog. So they have never ever been a news site.
    They certainly like to pretend they are, though.
    Karf wrote:
    Anyone thinking a blogger needs a journalistic backing to be legitimized is thinking about blogs all wrong.
    Without getting into a big thing about blogs, I think you're the one thinking about them all wrong. Blogs aren't the 'livejournal-lites' they were a few years ago. Now sites like Kotaku like to hide behind the 'were just a blog!' banner, when that's what they are in name only.

    Excuse for shitty journalism. That's all they are. To me, anyway.

    A news story should be as level-headed and professional as possible. On a blog, the writer can put in as much bias and personal opinion as they like under the idea that it's just a blog and an opinion.

    At Sony's E3 press conference, nobody like IGN or 1up called it shitty or anything - they'd call it a poor showing or something at most, whereas on places like Joystiq and Kotaku it was crap like SONY E3 DEBACLE and MOTION SENSING RIPOFF and it was just terrible and stupid and damn annoying. I really hate it. Blogs? Fine.

    These huge blog networks and giant block sites with about 50 staffers can eat a dick. They're not blogs at all.

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  • ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    so, peoples gripe with kotaku is that even though its run by a journalist for Rocky Mountain News, and they often get news up first, or quick, that its a blog.

    i mean, yeah, they post a lot of fluff. but i catch a lot of stuff first on there.

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  • SkyGheNeSkyGheNe Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    ShimSham wrote: »
    This is kind of a dumb move. I understand they were trying to keep things under wraps but you NEVER, EVER piss off the media because you will pay for it.

    YEAH, The white house is really shakin' in its boots after banning certain media from entering their press conferences.

    Oh wait.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Zephos wrote: »
    so, peoples gripe with kotaku is that even though its run by a journalist for Rocky Mountain News, and they often get news up first, or quick, that its a blog.

    i mean, yeah, they post a lot of fluff. but i catch a lot of stuff first on there.

    No one says you can't get information from them, it's just not recommended that you take them seriously.

    Sheep on
  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    ShimSham wrote: »
    This is kind of a dumb move. I understand they were trying to keep things under wraps but you NEVER, EVER piss off the media because you will pay for it.

    YEAH, The white house is really shakin' in its boots after banning certain media from entering their press conferences.

    Oh wait.

    The "Never piss off the media" only works when you need their reader base to buy your products.

    chaossoldier on
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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Kotaku is spearheaded by Crecente, who is an actual journalist. But they repeatedly point out that they are just a "gaming culture" site, not a real news site.

    Unlike a real news site, they don't have a rigorous editorial process. Any of the contributors can post what they like. They never try to hide this fact.

    If one of the contributors sees something funny while walking down the street in Akihabara, they will post it. If someone makes a cool gaming-related cake, they will post it. If they see a funny game-related video on YouTube, they post it. If they play a game, they post their impressions.

    If someone sends in a rumour, it will get handed to Crecente, who will verify it and post it if it seems valid.

    It's not a full-blown news site, because the content is much more raw and varied. However, that's what makes it fun.

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The argument over whether a "blog" is a "news site" or "real journalism" is pure semantics in my book. IGN is news but Kotaku is not, why? One has more money? If Kotaku provides me with a shitload of gaming news on a daily basis, they're a gaming news site.

    Vegan on
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  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    ShimSham wrote: »
    This is kind of a dumb move. I understand they were trying to keep things under wraps but you NEVER, EVER piss off the media because you will pay for it.

    YEAH, The white house is really shakin' in its boots after banning certain media from entering their press conferences.

    Oh wait.

    The "Never piss off the media" only works when you need their reader base to buy your products.
    Or if their reader base has plenty of other outlets to learn about your product.

    Houk on
  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Houk wrote: »
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    ShimSham wrote: »
    This is kind of a dumb move. I understand they were trying to keep things under wraps but you NEVER, EVER piss off the media because you will pay for it.

    YEAH, The white house is really shakin' in its boots after banning certain media from entering their press conferences.

    Oh wait.

    The "Never piss off the media" only works when you need their reader base to buy your products.
    Or if their reader base has plenty of other outlets to learn about your product.

    Problem with that statement is that if you piss off the reader base of one place, chances are they won't give a shit at the other outlets either.

    chaossoldier on
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  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Vegan wrote:
    The argument over whether a "blog" is a "news site" or "real journalism" is pure semantics in my book. IGN is news but Kotaku is not, why? One has more money? If Kotaku provides me with a shitload of gaming news on a daily basis, they're a gaming news site.
    The issue is, places like Kotaku want us to treat them like blogs when they want, and then turn around and treat them like legitmate news sources when they want. They want to post a wild intertron rumor? They're just a blog. They want to be taken seriously and given access to inside info? They're a news site. It's that having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too thing that makes things hairy.

    Houk on
  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Houk wrote: »
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    ShimSham wrote: »
    This is kind of a dumb move. I understand they were trying to keep things under wraps but you NEVER, EVER piss off the media because you will pay for it.

    YEAH, The white house is really shakin' in its boots after banning certain media from entering their press conferences.

    Oh wait.

    The "Never piss off the media" only works when you need their reader base to buy your products.
    Or if their reader base has plenty of other outlets to learn about your product.

    Problem with that statement is that if you piss off the reader base of one place, chances are they won't give a shit at the other outlets either.
    And the problem with this statement is that the reader base isn't pissed off - Kotaku is. The reader base is going 'olol sony' and then drifting somewhere else to get their daily dose of sony news. The average gamer wants to know what's going on with every system more than they want to make some grand point about kotaku's journalistic cajones.

    Houk on
  • ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    from hence forth it shall be known as "newsy blogism."

    Zephos on
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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Houk wrote: »
    Vegan wrote:
    The argument over whether a "blog" is a "news site" or "real journalism" is pure semantics in my book. IGN is news but Kotaku is not, why? One has more money? If Kotaku provides me with a shitload of gaming news on a daily basis, they're a gaming news site.
    The issue is, places like Kotaku want us to treat them like blogs when they want, and then turn around and treat them like legitmate news sources when they want. They want to post a wild intertron rumor? They're just a blog. They want to be taken seriously and given access to inside info? They're a news site. It's that having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too thing that makes things hairy.

    When has Kotaku wanted to be taken seriously?

    Sheep on
  • hambonehambone Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    This is all pretty ironic, considering how many verbal handjobs Kotaku has given to God of War 2 over the last couple months.

    hambone on
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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Houk wrote: »
    Houk wrote: »
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    ShimSham wrote: »
    This is kind of a dumb move. I understand they were trying to keep things under wraps but you NEVER, EVER piss off the media because you will pay for it.

    YEAH, The white house is really shakin' in its boots after banning certain media from entering their press conferences.

    Oh wait.

    The "Never piss off the media" only works when you need their reader base to buy your products.
    Or if their reader base has plenty of other outlets to learn about your product.

    Problem with that statement is that if you piss off the reader base of one place, chances are they won't give a shit at the other outlets either.
    And the problem with this statement is that the reader base isn't pissed off - Kotaku is. The reader base is going 'olol sony' and then drifting somewhere else to get their daily dose of sony news. The average gamer wants to know what's going on with every system more than they want to make some grand point about kotaku's journalistic cajones.

    A site is only as popular as the size of it's reader base. By correlation, pissing off Kotaku pisses off its readers. Yes, they COULD go somewhere else for their news, but considering their (the readers) favorite site just outed them (sony) for such dickery, it becomes doubtful they'll go to other places for "Good " Sony news.

    chaossoldier on
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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    hambone wrote: »
    This is all pretty ironic, considering how many verbal handjobs Kotaku has given to God of War 2 over the last couple months.

    Not to mention their advocacy for Motorstorm.

    Marlor on
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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Houk wrote: »
    Houk wrote: »
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    ShimSham wrote: »
    This is kind of a dumb move. I understand they were trying to keep things under wraps but you NEVER, EVER piss off the media because you will pay for it.

    YEAH, The white house is really shakin' in its boots after banning certain media from entering their press conferences.

    Oh wait.

    The "Never piss off the media" only works when you need their reader base to buy your products.
    Or if their reader base has plenty of other outlets to learn about your product.

    Problem with that statement is that if you piss off the reader base of one place, chances are they won't give a shit at the other outlets either.
    And the problem with this statement is that the reader base isn't pissed off - Kotaku is. The reader base is going 'olol sony' and then drifting somewhere else to get their daily dose of sony news. The average gamer wants to know what's going on with every system more than they want to make some grand point about kotaku's journalistic cajones.

    But it is just another notch in the hole sony is digging.

    SniperGuy on
  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Sleep wrote: »
    Houk wrote: »
    Vegan wrote:
    The argument over whether a "blog" is a "news site" or "real journalism" is pure semantics in my book. IGN is news but Kotaku is not, why? One has more money? If Kotaku provides me with a shitload of gaming news on a daily basis, they're a gaming news site.
    The issue is, places like Kotaku want us to treat them like blogs when they want, and then turn around and treat them like legitmate news sources when they want. They want to post a wild intertron rumor? They're just a blog. They want to be taken seriously and given access to inside info? They're a news site. It's that having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too thing that makes things hairy.

    When has Kotaku wanted to be taken seriously?
    When they want to get exclusive info and free trips from the companies on whom they depend to exist.

    Houk on
  • HamjuHamju Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I wonder, is anyone keeping track of all the shit Sony does? Like, is there some masterlist somewhere of every evil and/or stupid thing Sony's done in the last five years? I'm just curious...

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Destructoid have changed their masthead to support Crecente :-)

    http://www.destructoid.com/

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  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    A site is only as popular as the size of it's reader base. By correlation, pissing off Kotaku pisses off its readers. Yes, they COULD go somewhere else for their news, but considering their (the readers) favorite site just outed them (sony) for such dickery, it becomes doubtful they'll go to other places for "Good " Sony news.
    I would wager a good amount that the number of people devoted solely to Kotaku, to the point that they will refuse to visit another site, compared to the number of people who visit Kotaku only as part of a larger group of news sources, is incredibly small. But that's just me, I suppose. I mean, a news site with more content is only a new tab away.

    Edit: Which isn't to say that other major news sites won't decide to turn this around on Sony and shit on them. If that's the case, well, Sony is truly boned.

    Houk on
  • ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    hahaha, thats awesome.

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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Marlor wrote: »
    Destructoid have changed their masthead to support Crecente :-)

    http://www.destructoid.com/

    Hahaha. Nice

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  • hambonehambone Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    You don't fuck with the Jesus.

    edit: and if I were Crecente, I'd show up to those events drunk.

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hamju wrote: »
    I wonder, is anyone keeping track of all the shit Sony does? Like, is there some masterlist somewhere of every evil and/or stupid thing Sony's done in the last five years? I'm just curious...


    Man, there should be. It'd probably be as long as that list of things that have happened in current events since DNF was announced.

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