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[League of Legends] Fiora: French fencing femme fatale frequently fights fools for fun

TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士Miami, FLRegistered User regular
edited March 2012 in Games and Technology
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News: Fiora and the upcoming skins can be viewed here. http://slushe.3owl.com/#PBE


League of Legends (popularly known as LoL) is a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena (MOBA) game. With lots of acronyms, in case you couldn't tell. It is made by Riot games and brought to you by Tiny Angry Crab
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You play as a summoner that selects a champion to battle with and against other summoners and their respective champs. During games, your champion will level up, get gold for better equipment and hopefully destroy the enemy nexus. Outside of games, your summoner level will rise. This will unlock new runes to enhance champion stats, bestow mastery points for further champion customization and goodies like avatars. At max level you can then compete in ranked matches and/or judge player behavior in what is called the tribunal.

New Player Guide

1. Make an account: NA EU (West) EU (Nordic & East)
It is worth noting that referring new players has perks, so I would ask for a referral link in the thread rather than a vanilla account.

2. Download the client: Right here
The official Mac client has been discontinued.

3. Play the tutorials! New User Guide
The game can be a bit overwhelming, and I highly suggest you play the tutorials OR find someone willing to do a few vs. AI games with you.

4. Join the "Penny Arcade" Chat Channel to find helpful people and people to escape solo queue with! Click the little double speech bubble looking thing at the bottom right of your screen. Click the + speech bubble right above it. Type in "Penny Arcade" and introduce yourself. Not everyone you see in the threat will be there, as not everyone plays on the same server.

5. Play vs. AI games with people.
Preferably people you know or from here. The bots aren't bad, but they have exploitable flaws and won't emulate the "real deal" perfectly. Focus less on the opposition and more on getting a feel for the various champions and the general flow of game.

6. Play vs. People
Do it, damn you. As said above, the AI is not going to give you the legitimate LoL experience. You don't want to hit your 20s solely from bot matches.

7. Get yer free champs.
Subscribe to Riot's Youtube and get a free Alistar skin! Includes the champion! Free Tristana if you're into the Facebook thing. Promo skins always include the champion if you never bought it.

The Dos and Don'ts of LoL

Meta Stuff
1. Don't buy champions randomly!
LoL has two currencies: Riot Points (RP), which are bought with real money, and Influence Points (IP) which are earned solely by playing games. Champions can be bought with both, but every week there will be ten free champions to play with. Play these champs instead. Get a feel for each type of champion and see which you find more fun. It's far better to do this as opposed to buying a champ randomly and ultimately being unhappy with it.

2. Don't buy Tier 2 Runes.
They are pretty much a waste of IP. Buy Tier 1 and save up for Tier 3.

3. Do queue with friends.
Playing with randoms is a crapshoot, and playing with a buddy or two can put the odds in your favor. Play complementary champs and request feedback on how you did in each game (even if you won).

4. Do learn the champions
When a new rotation occurs, it is wise to play a few games with each champ. Knowing what each champ is capable of will be useful even if you hate how they play and never intend on using them. For example, Karthus has a skill that does damage to every enemy champion, regardless of location! If you know this, then you can prepare for it and not be taken by surprise.

5. Do read guides.
There are multiple ways to play a champion. This combination of skills, runes, masteries and items is called a "build" and are the general strategies for any champion. The recommended items in the game store are not always accurate, and the order you level skills can have a big impact on how the early stages of the game play out. Sites like Mobafire and Solomid offer builds for just about every champion. It's cookie-cutter, but a great foundation for new people. Once you learn the ins and outs, you can tweak a build to better serve your playstyles or as a reaction to enemy or ally players.

6. Do be polite and do report
Sometimes people will suck or do shit wrong. It's a game, so try to keep that in mind when things get a little unhinged. If you insult or yell at people, even if they DID do something wrong, you're likely going to get that person defensive and things break down. Instead of focusing on the game, you focus on hurling insults at each. Stay calm, and politely offer advice when needed. And yet, people are jerks. It happens. Simply /mute them and quietly report them after the game. Taking their bait is probably what they want you to do. Do not give them the satisfaction! Keep your cool.

Game Stuff
1. Do not be aggressive
There will be a serious urge to want to kill enemy champs. Resist! Death is an all-around loss: your opponents get more cash and experience, you miss out on experience and your lane risks getting pushed. If you set-up a kill and fail, do not continue chasing. In many cases, you will just die to a tower or get ganked. While later on you will learn when to take risks, early in your career it's best to be less aggressive and just let the other guy get away.

2. Do not focus on KDR
Your kill-death-ratio is not the end-all of your value. It is possible to lose despite having a serious kill advantage over the enemy team! Certain champions, once getting the right items, can be unstoppable murder machines. Even if you do kill them a lot, if they reach this threshold, it's possible for a dramatic reversal to occur. It is far more important to support your team's objectives: push towers, protect your own towers from being pushed and keep your team informed of enemy activity. It is far better to have a modest KDR and win, than be the team killer and lose.

3. Do watch the minimap and your enemy
Enemy locations are important! In your low-level games you will likely have two champs tops lane, one mid and two bottom (in later level games, one from top will be off "jungling," so top will have just one champ). If a player in YOUR lane is missing, let the team know. The player might just be heading back to base to buy items, or they could be trying to jump your friend in another lane. And mention when they came back to your lane! But this doesn't mean you should rely wholly on team recon. Watch the minimap yourself for enemy locations in other lanes whenever you can. People aren't perfect, and sometimes that warning comes a bit too late. Another set of eyes is always useful.

4. Do buy wards.
Wards are items that grant you vision of an area for 180 seconds. They are, without a doubt, one of the best purchases you will make. You can plop them along the river and have advance warning of ganks. They'll grant you vision of the brush. They'll alert you of enemy attempts on big-reward neutral monsters like the dragon or baron. If you attack them in the middle of something like that, you could mob up their entire team. Or maybe you are aware of a gank attempt on you. You could alert a nearby friend, bait the ganker in and turn the tables. Buy wards. BUY. WARDS.

5. Do buy wards.
Wards are items that grant you vision of an area for 180 seconds. They are, without a doubt, one of the best purchases you will make. You can plop them along the river and have advance warning of ganks. They'll grant you vision of the brush. They'll alert you of enemy attempts on big reward neutral monsters like the dragon or baron. If you attack them in the middle of something like that, you could mob up their entire team. Or maybe you are aware of a gank attempt on you. You could alert a nearby friend, bait the ganker in and turn the tables. Buy wards. BUY. WARDS. Yes, I posted this twice. It is that important.

6. Do something.
So you just wiped the enemy team out. Hooray! But...what are you doing now? Did you just go back to your respective lanes and farm? Incorrect! You now have precious map control, and should be taking advantage of it. Gather up as a team and take out a tower. Head to the dragon and get a clean kill. Steal enemy creeps (especially their blue and red buffs). You can always check the status of both teams by pressing tab. If multiple enemies are waiting on respawn, then you need to press that advantage.

7. Don't just wait around all day when you're in a position to win.
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Meet the Team

Like any group activity, stuff is usually broken down into roles. It's worth noting that champions don't always fit neatly in categories. A champion's role in the team may depend on what build has been chosen, and sometimes you may fill several roles depending on the group composition. When picking champions, it's a good idea to see what people are doing and fill in any holes.

1. The Carry: If your team is a car, then the carry is the engine. It's what makes the team function. The carry, when doing its job, will be able to easily destroy the whole team. But, just like an engine is useless without any other parts of your car, the carry relies on its team to get the gold necessary to buy the items needed to kill swathes of enemies. Early on, carries tend to be more vulnerable and weaker than other champs. LOTS of people pick carry in random, because it's the star character that generally gets all the kills.

2. The Tank: Following the car metaphor, the tank is your steering. It'll guide the team into battle, and in many cases will be the one starting the fights. Tanks are there to absorb damage and lock down the most dangerous champions on the enemy team so you can position yourselves to win the fight. Some tanks do this with CC, whereas other tanks have some damage and will soften up the enemy team instead. Tanks still tend to need the rest of their team to back them up.

3. The Support: I guess support are your tires or something? Maybe the AC. Either, support help the team out with buffs and generally shields or healing. Healers tend to assist the carry by allowing the carry to stay in the lane longer through said healing or shields. Unlike, well, just about everyone else, Support don't rely so much on gear and thus will purposefully AVOID getting last hits so that their lane partner can farm gold faster. Because of their reduced need of gold, support should also be buying and placing wards when needed. It's worth noting that EVERYONE should generally buy wards, but as a support you can afford to take the financial hit. FEW people pick support in random due to how hard it is to influence games. You have to be very proactive to make up for bad teammates as a carry.

4. The Jungler: Jungling is a more advanced concept, and you won't see it until higher summoner levels. This is due to runes and masteries allowing for more efficient jungling. It is still possible on a few champs, even at Summoner Level 1, but very uncommon. As the name implies, the jungler sits in the jungle and kills neutral creeps. This benefits your team by creating a second solo lane (top lane), resulting in more experience and gold for your team as a whole. Once the jungler hits a certain gear/level point, they look for opportunities to gank enemies. This is generally done via strong CC abilities, such as Warwick's ultimate or Nunu's slow coupled with his speed buff. Skills such as these will enable the jungler's teammate in that lane to easily assist with the kill. When not ganking, the jungler will return to the jungle regularly to keep up in terms of gold and experience. Due to their roaming, the jungler has plenty of opportunities to place wards for its teammates.

This is a very simple guide! There are other roles in teams, but this is a rough outline of the basics. Roles can easily overlap, and a champion can fill more than one role! Experiment and see what works and what doesn't.

Useful Stuff

Websites!
http://www.mobafire.com/ - A site dedicated to champs and how to build them effeciently. Not really used by high end players (lvl 30), but good for beginners who're trying champs out for the first time and don't want too much complexity in a guide.
http://www.solomid.net/ - A more advanced and polished version of Mobafire. Solomid offers intricate guides on champs that've been tried and tested by the community. Best for more advanced players of lvl 20+
http://www.leagueoflegends.com - The standard LoL website! Info on the game can be found here.
http://youtu.be/e02e7qGhRwQ - A HoN guide. Don't hate me for this guys. But I think /some/ of the points in this video are very useful. As HoN and LoL are quite similar, I can't help but feel that complete beginners will benefit from just watching this once. Though, as I said, this is a HoN guide. And most things can be ignored.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggKB98It0Q - The basics of laning and last hitting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kxGQ3gWdrM - Shurelya's guide on zoning!

Stuff You Should Know
-Yes, a promo skin will unlock that champion for free.
-Promo skin codes generally work once on each region. If you have used a code for yourself, don't toss it out! Make a post here and give it away or swap it for another skin.
-Speaking of promo skins, Free Tristana if you're willing to whore yourself out a bit.
--Subscribe to Riot's Youtube and get a free Alistar skin!
-Buy Wards
-Buy Wards
-When in doubt, take Flash

A useful list of terms used in game, courtesy of Cantido.
Thing heard in game or apply to things in game

b = back, fall back, they're coming for you
back = fall back, they're coming for you
care = be careful, they may be coming for you
oom = out of mana
lom = low on mana
focus = To target a player. Meaning that as a team you all will all focus on a specified hero to kill first.
top, mid, bottom = the lanes in LoL. With the flip camera option, the top and bottom may be switched for some people.
lane = the road like expanses that contain towers and lead to and from the bases
river = The river which cuts across the map diagonally
jungle = The mass of treeses and paths that exist between the lanes
neuts = neutrals
neutrals = The creep-enemies who live in the jungle
bp, pill, pilling = blue pilling, going back to base
base, basing = blue pilling, going back to base
shop,buy = To go back to base to go shopping
brush = The large grass in LoL which causes your hero to be hidden to people outside of the brush
grass = see brush
sigils = Temporary buffs granted to a player by defeating the Golem and the Elder Lizard. These buffs transfer to the killer in the event that the hero dies with the sigil.
buff = Typically a temporary increase to some stat(s)
passive = An ability which is not activated but helps a character. For example, Morgana's passive allows her to heal a small % of the damage her spells inflict. Passives usually apply only to the hero who has them.
aura = A 'passive' which applies not only to the hero who has it, but also to heroes within the given range for the aura. A shareable passive.
dd = direct damage ability. Typically DDs are unavoidable: Click ability, click target, profit. For example: Annie's Q fireball.
skillshot = an ability that fires a projectile that can be dodged. For example: Morgana's cage, Ashe's ultimate arrow
aoe = area of effect
pbaoe = point blank area of affect. The area of effect is centered around the caster such as Nunu's Ultimate or any aura.
backdoor= To attack the enemies towers and base without the cover of your creeps there
ult = ultimate ability. The R Ability.
unique = In LoL certain auras/passive are unique, meaning they do not stack.
last hit = Getting the very last hit, or killing blow.
AP = Ability Power. The stat which boosts the effectiveness of abilities.
miss, mia = Missing, missing in action. Commonly used to describe when a hero is missing from a lane and may indicate to the team that a gank may happen.
juke, juking = When being chased, juking is to fool your pursuers. Typically this happens in the jungle. A successful juke could range from eluding the enemy by exploiting line of sight, or could simply cause the enemy to mistarget a spell.
feed = A player who dies constantly feeds the other team (via the gold reward for killing someone). Being called a feeder is not a compliment. A player who is fed has a lot of kills.
gg = good game.
gj = good job.
ms = movement speed
baron, nashor, worm = the big worm like boss that gives a noticeable buff to the whole team when killed.
gl hf - good luck, have fun, usually an encouraging sportsmanlike phrase said before a game, sometimes sarcastically used "gl solo baron"
push - to gather up a creep wave and attempt to destroy an enemy tower "I'm going to push bottom"
d, defend - to sit at a tower and/or inhibitor and attempt to avoid confrontation while stopping the enemy from killing the objective "I'm gonna d mid"
gank - to go (often with more than one player) to try and kill an enemy, often by surprise "lets gank bottom"
tp - summoner spell telleport used to traverse the map "Ill tp back in"
heal - either the summoner spell, a champion ability, or the act of returning to base to regenerate HP and mana "you should heal"
harass - to annoy the enemy with small bursts of non lethal damage, often forcing them to go heal or be set up for a gangk.
bait - to deliberately appear in a position to be easily ganged so as to lure 1 or more players to be gangked by your team "go bait them in to the jungle"
Disable = A Disable is a debuff that usually prevents some kind of action on the player. Stuns, roots, silences are all examples of disables
Stun = A debuff which prevents any action by a champion (summoner spells excluded)
Root = A debuff which prevents any movement by a champion (summoner spells excluded)
Silence = A debuff which prevents any abilities being used by a champion (summoner spells excluded)
Farm = Farming involves the amassing of gold for player. This is usually best done by killing a lot of creeps and killing them very quickly. Certain Heroes like Ashe and Tristana are great farmers: The first has a +gold passive, and the latter has an AOE passive.
leash/pull - when someone other than the jungler attacks a jungle creep so that it comes towards them while the jungler attacks it; the leasher leaves the range so the jungle creep returns to the jungler; allowing several free hits/spells on the creep for the jungler.

Things heard outside of the game or apply to outside of the game

vent = Ventrilo. It is voice communication software used to coordinate as a team. LoL has its own vent server: See the sticky in the beta general for more information.
build = how a champion and its summoner is built. For champions this may includes the items one buys on a champion, and the order one gets a champion's skills. For summoners, this refers to their masteries and rune selections.
carry = A character who, if played properly, wins late game fights for a team. Typically these heroes are weak early game and require a lot of farming.
tank = Character with a lot of HP and likely armor/resistance. Whose job is to initiate battles with the enemy players/turrets as to draw damage onto himself.
dps = Damage per second. Also referes to characters who job it is to deal damage (As opposed to support and tanks)
burst = A large volume of damage done quickly and typically then very little sustained follow up damage.
support = Characters who job it is to support other characters: Healers, buffers, etc
runes = Refers to LoL's rune system, however this term is overloaded and some players also refer to sigils as runes
talents = A non-canon term for masteries
mastery, masteries = The talent-tree system of LoL
DotA = Defense of the the Ancients. A mod for War3 that virtually launched the moba genre
HoN = Heroes of Newerth. Another moba game that is in direct competition with LoL.
moba = multiplayer online battle arena
elo = The score a person has in the Ranking system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
leave, leaver = To quit a game before it is over.
raqequit = To quit a game in anger (Being killed, losing)
disc, dc = disconnect from a game.
Bearon = The Ultimate League of Legend Champion. A bear of nobility from Rabilov.
Coral = The color of Adjudicators elected in a fair democratic process. Penny then proceeded to invalidate the election and instead we got dodger blue.
adjudicator = Either an older beta tester, or a beta tester whose skill in game or feedback out of game have been noted.
skin = Items that give a Champion a new look (Costumes, clothes, etc)
champion = The particular character that you as the summoner control
hero = non-canon name for a champion
summoner = Your representation in the game. Essentially you are the puppet master of your selected Champion and you have your own summoner abilities along with the champion's abilities.
deny, denies= Basically last hitting your own creep. This mechanic does not exist in LoL. In DotA, this would prevent the other from earning the gold and experience for killing the creep.

Have you scored a penta?
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Previous thread: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/155071/league-of-legends-no-one-is-as-good-as-they-think-they-are-except-me/p1

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat Hop, hop, hop, HA! Trick of the lightRegistered User regular
    OP needs more Riven.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    this thread is now about jungle karthus



    jungle karthus owns

    also if you are thinking about playing this game click here

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Speaking of the OP, the Mac client is sorta-back, there's a hacked-together version that the community made called iLOL that's in beta. Link.

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  • SampsenSampsen Aggressive Berserker Registered User regular
    I like the cartoon girls at the top, they are very cute.

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  • CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    Gaardean wrote:
    Since the subject of jungle Udyr has come up, what's the basic role a Phoenix Udyr should be fulfilling when it comes to team fight time? He's not really tanky enough to initiate and he's melee locked, so I seem to just flounder around protecting the back lines until I try to stun a caster or carry, at which point I'm focused and go down without accomplishing much.

    What do you normally build on him? Udyr is very item dependent and can't afford to fall behind in gold; Udyr with Mercs, HoG, Cloth, and WE should be pretty tanky by the time you have it.

    Normally, Phodyr should run in with E, punch the AD carry or mage or whoever needs to be disrupted, and then alternate W and R for damage and shielding while punching people right in the thick of it. He is an initiator due to his tankiness and mobility.

  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    Turtledyr bot owns on dominion

    I cant url good so add me on steam anyways steamcommunity.com/id/Raslin

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    please mention that i invented league of legends in the op thx

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  • interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    Sampsen wrote:
    I like the cartoon girls at the top, they are very cute.

    me too

    the one on the left is a real qtpie 8->

  • SerukoSeruko Ferocious Kitten of The Farthest NorthRegistered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Teemo Buffs.
    Scout Code 4 Lyfe.
    Get Blind Drunk On Shroom Juice.

    Seruko on
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  • GaardeanGaardean Registered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote:
    Gaardean wrote:
    Since the subject of jungle Udyr has come up, what's the basic role a Phoenix Udyr should be fulfilling when it comes to team fight time? He's not really tanky enough to initiate and he's melee locked, so I seem to just flounder around protecting the back lines until I try to stun a caster or carry, at which point I'm focused and go down without accomplishing much.

    What do you normally build on him? Udyr is very item dependent and can't afford to fall behind in gold; Udyr with Mercs, HoG, Cloth, and WE should be pretty tanky by the time you have it.

    Normally, Phodyr should run in with E, punch the AD carry or mage or whoever needs to be disrupted, and then alternate W and R for damage and shielding while punching people right in the thick of it. He is an initiator due to his tankiness and mobility.

    That could be a large part of my problem, a lot of guides had recommended a wriggles, even on Phoenix Udyr, and that seems to be suboptimal for gold usage. Dropping that for an early HoG and replacing a late Warmogs with Randuin's in my overall build might be what I was missing. Having a game where my team isn't focusing Leona while I'm trying to chain stun Cait, Malz, and Lux in would be useful, too.

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  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    please mention that i invented league of legends in the op thx

    Will that do?

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  • DarisDaris Registered User regular
    Talith wrote:
    I'm excited about any and all Lux and Teemo buffs. There really aren't enough Teemo players.

    Just got out of a game with Teemo. Normally I like Teemo, but this game I loved him. Why? Shyvana can catch a Yi when there are speed bumps everywhere. Mwahahahahahahahaha!

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    IT IS... ACCEPTABLE

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  • KlineshrikeKlineshrike Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    God dammit talith you used my fucking background in the OP. Minus the come at me bro and various other special effects going on there.

    Seriously thats been my background forever.

  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    IT IS... ACCEPTABLE

    You absolutely slay me. When do you play this game, I MUST KNOW.

  • DarisDaris Registered User regular
    So a common problem at my low elo seems to be convincing people to do dragon/baron/get blue from me/drop turrets & inhibs. Even when we ace the other team. On one hand, I am finishing games with really nice stats. On the other hand, sitting at full build and stopping farm in a game that should have already been over is frustrating. Most games are ending with me at full build and tripping on every elixir in the game.

    I guess I should come up with a beyond full build... build.

  • SampsenSampsen Aggressive Berserker Registered User regular
    Daris wrote:
    So a common problem at my low elo seems to be convincing people to do dragon/baron/get blue from me/drop turrets & inhibs. Even when we ace the other team. On one hand, I am finishing games with really nice stats. On the other hand, sitting at full build and stopping farm in a game that should have already been over is frustrating. Most games are ending with me at full build and tripping on every elixir in the game.

    I guess I should come up with a beyond full build... build.

    I like to sell whatever boots I have and get another tier 3 item (usually a second PD cause it works on the characters I play). Yes, you lumber into that fight, but damn do you end up doing the dps.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Oh noes! My penta didnt make the OP!

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    Reduced the amount of gold given to bots on Summoner's Rift Intermediate.
    Yay! Harassing them will actually have a purpose!
    Improved the precision of skill shots and ground targeted AoE abilities.
    Oh god.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    Jars wrote:
    this thread is now about jungle karthus



    jungle karthus owns

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  • interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    just bought blood lord vladimir

    time for a true display of AHH AHH AHH AHH AHH AHH AHH AHH

  • TorgaironTorgairon Registered User regular
    Glal wrote:
    Improved the precision of skill shots and ground targeted AoE abilities

    Oh god.
    •Added Blitzcrank bot

    D:

  • ZyrxilZyrxil Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Daris wrote:
    Then post them. You're full of crap, dude. If I don't counter jungle, it's for a good reason. You're not going to convince me or anyone else who plays with me you're right.
    "convince anyone else who plays with you"? Are you even listening to yourself? I knew you would do this. I go prefacing everything with "take this as constructive criticism", and you still manage to turn in into some kind of conspiracy to defame you. You have half a dozen other people telling you you're doing stuff wrong, and all you do is make excuses that it's your playstyle or that you had a reason to do it. Whatever; no one loses anything by your actions except you.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Gaardean wrote:
    Carnarvon wrote:
    Gaardean wrote:
    Since the subject of jungle Udyr has come up, what's the basic role a Phoenix Udyr should be fulfilling when it comes to team fight time? He's not really tanky enough to initiate and he's melee locked, so I seem to just flounder around protecting the back lines until I try to stun a caster or carry, at which point I'm focused and go down without accomplishing much.

    What do you normally build on him? Udyr is very item dependent and can't afford to fall behind in gold; Udyr with Mercs, HoG, Cloth, and WE should be pretty tanky by the time you have it.

    Normally, Phodyr should run in with E, punch the AD carry or mage or whoever needs to be disrupted, and then alternate W and R for damage and shielding while punching people right in the thick of it. He is an initiator due to his tankiness and mobility.

    That could be a large part of my problem, a lot of guides had recommended a wriggles, even on Phoenix Udyr, and that seems to be suboptimal for gold usage. Dropping that for an early HoG and replacing a late Warmogs with Randuin's in my overall build might be what I was missing. Having a game where my team isn't focusing Leona while I'm trying to chain stun Cait, Malz, and Lux in would be useful, too.

    I dont see why you wouldnt get the Wriggles on Udyr, it is good cost for gold, gives you the free ward, and helps you Jungle & Dragon faster. It also provides sustain and armor & AD. There is nothing about the item you dont want. (Though I could see replacing it late game for more Tank or DPS).

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  • interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    phoenix udyr clears so fast that you don't really need wriggles unless you're really super worried about dragon control

  • JookieJookie Registered User regular
    I don't get why everyone makes such a huge deal over the ONE free ward that Wriggle's gives you every three minutes. Sure it's nice but ward more.

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    Tiger Udyr is the way.
    People always ragged on me when I jungled Udyr because I would go Tiger>Turtle>Tiger>Bear to gank. Phoenix is the worst for ganking, all the tiger deeeeeps!

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  • CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    The entire point of Phodyr is that he can jungle, clear baron/dragon, push waves, and deal a bit of damage without building damage items. Wriggles on Phodyr is like jungling with Renekton; it might work alright, but you're defeating the point of the character. The 1600 gold you spend on it is going to be much better spent on Atma's or Wit's End.

    Also: Leona feels left out.

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  • softmoneysoftmoney Registered User regular
    Jookie wrote:
    I don't get why everyone makes such a huge deal over the ONE free ward that Wriggle's gives you every three minutes. Sure it's nice but ward more.

    If you are in lane, that means you can ALWAYS have ward coverage on your lane for free. If you are jungling, assuming you are buying wards (you should be) if you constantly use your ward it's worth 75 gold every 3 minutes. By comparison, a GP/10 item gives you 90 gold every 3 minutes. Obviously you aren't going to use your next ward the second the previous one runs out, but still, that's a pretty solid perk on top of everything else that wriggles gives you.

  • ChaosHatChaosHat Hop, hop, hop, HA! Trick of the lightRegistered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I am watching the first game of Daris. Things I have noticed:

    Route, as mentioned before, is terrible. You mentioned saving the red until you were ready to gank, and when you get it you just go get wraiths. Your opposing jungler is an Amumu, which is just BEGGING to get counter jungled by Shyvana. You never even venture past the river until level 6 which was a baaad gank. You also bought boots 2 way too early and boots 1 too late. You are wasting time with all the time spent farming your own small camps early on. Also, it is a bad idea to wonder if you should go Wriggle's AFTER you buy the Vamp Scepter. Buying it means you are taking it. If you don't want it, take something else like armor/pots, or more likely, boots/pots.

    Okay, so now you've just gotten ganked near your own blue. You are now level 7 and struggling to keep up with the duo lane. You've done exactly one gank so far and you're not even counter jungling at all. You're playing this like World of Warcraft before raid night and you need potions or something. You aren't helping your team by doing this. If you were way up in levels and farm, you could argue it, but you're barely beating Amumu who has been much more active gankwise than you. You still haven't bought any wards for the river or the opposing jungle even though you KNOW Amumu warded your jungle since they came after you when you left after the blue (I suppose they could have CV'd but meh), and the Kayle apparently laughed at the botched handoff.

    You totally sandbagged your team by going after dragon with no ward coverage by yourself which got a player killed. It wasn't even a good time to dragon, you were like "EH FUCK IT." Overall the exchange ended up being your favor but that's not a good idea. Sneaking the dragon might have been better if you had built Wriggles.

    And then the LoL Replay client crashed so that's as far as I got. Your build was also like...vamp scepter, merc treads, chainvest at this point which is just...whaaat?

    The most important things I am trying to get across to you (and this is not an attack, just some constructive advice): You are way too fucking passive. I know this because it looks like the exact opposite of how I play, which is generally very, very aggressive. Your route is really, really bad.

    I may finish watching it/watch the other when I get back from dinner.

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    That leona really should replace Ez in the OP. <3

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  • DarisDaris Registered User regular
    Zyrxil wrote:
    Daris wrote:
    Then post them. You're full of crap, dude. If I don't counter jungle, it's for a good reason. You're not going to convince me or anyone else who plays with me you're right.
    "convince anyone else who plays with you"? Are you even listening to yourself? I knew you would do this. I go prefacing everything with "take this as constructive criticism", and you still manage to turn in into some kind of conspiracy to defame you. You have half a dozen other people telling you you're doing stuff wrong, and all you do is make excuses that it's your playstyle or that you had a reason to do it. Whatever; no one loses anything by your actions except you.

    http://www.mediafire.com/?s9z7jdv3n4n5ok3
    http://www.mediafire.com/?2j9a5l426mh9536

    I'm having some trouble with my lolreplay I think. After about ten minutes into the second game it crashed, and it refuses to open the first. I remember the second game after watching it. I couldn't go steal because I was helping you, and after then I didn't have the health to risk it. Then I was going to get you blue, and you got destroyed by Talon again. So I pushed up your lane to tower and helped you get our blue. Pretty sure that game was a twenty minute surrender as we lost every lane.

    I'll look at my lolreplay and give it a closer look later. Still, I laughed at the second game. Why aren't I taking their blue? You're why! This is the person accusing me of that? :D

  • DraygoDraygo Registered User regular
    shyv is all about wrecking people in the jungle, you dont really have to gank lanes just make the enemy jungle miserable, and whining at his team to help protect him.

  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote:

    Also: Leona feels left out.

    Leona is serious business.

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  • softmoneysoftmoney Registered User regular
    Zyrxil wrote:
    Daris wrote:
    Then post them. You're full of crap, dude. If I don't counter jungle, it's for a good reason. You're not going to convince me or anyone else who plays with me you're right.
    "convince anyone else who plays with you"? Are you even listening to yourself? I knew you would do this. I go prefacing everything with "take this as constructive criticism", and you still manage to turn in into some kind of conspiracy to defame you. You have half a dozen other people telling you you're doing stuff wrong, and all you do is make excuses that it's your playstyle or that you had a reason to do it. Whatever; no one loses anything by your actions except you.

    http://www.mediafire.com/?s9z7jdv3n4n5ok3
    http://www.mediafire.com/?2j9a5l426mh9536

    In game 1 red isn't taken until the 7 minute mark. That's basically counter-jungling yourself out of red. By that point you are nearly behind an entire red spawn.

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    I like me some Leona.

    Also, Ezreal is my new go to champ for Dominion.

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  • MrGrimoireMrGrimoire Pixflare Registered User regular
    Something I just discovered with Shyvana is that you need to have an enemy jungler. Since her ganks are meh, she loses out if there's no one to screw over. I wasn't helped any by disconnecting every 2 minutes (yet still doing better than bot lane) and two out of three lanes losing so hard you'd think they got paid for it.

  • softmoneysoftmoney Registered User regular
    Daris wrote:
    Zyrxil wrote:
    Daris wrote:
    Then post them. You're full of crap, dude. If I don't counter jungle, it's for a good reason. You're not going to convince me or anyone else who plays with me you're right.
    "convince anyone else who plays with you"? Are you even listening to yourself? I knew you would do this. I go prefacing everything with "take this as constructive criticism", and you still manage to turn in into some kind of conspiracy to defame you. You have half a dozen other people telling you you're doing stuff wrong, and all you do is make excuses that it's your playstyle or that you had a reason to do it. Whatever; no one loses anything by your actions except you.

    http://www.mediafire.com/?s9z7jdv3n4n5ok3
    http://www.mediafire.com/?2j9a5l426mh9536

    I'm having some trouble with my lolreplay I think. After about ten minutes into the second game it crashed, and it refuses to open the first. I remember the second game after watching it. I couldn't go steal because I was helping you, and after then I didn't have the health to risk it. Then I was going to get you blue, and you got destroyed by Talon again. So I pushed up your lane to tower and helped you get our blue. Pretty sure that game was a twenty minute surrender as we lost every lane.

    I'll look at my lolreplay and give it a closer look later. Still, I laughed at the second game. Why aren't I taking their blue? You're why! This is the person accusing me of that? :D

    I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this is really delusional. Looking at the video you move to gank mid at about 7:05 (you are walking on the other side of your blue buff as it spawns). Both people in mid were full HP. If you were going to counter jungler, 7:05-7:15 is the time to show up at their blue. As soon as you come face to face with Nunu in the river you have 2 choices. Jump on him and fight (probably a bad idea) or go back to your jungle and farm (getting Cass blue would have been a good idea). I'm not sure why you (or Nunu) stayed around mid for so long.

    You either never intended to contest their blue, or your timings are seriously off. You can't blame that one on Cass.

  • GaardeanGaardean Registered User regular
    Gaardean wrote:
    Carnarvon wrote:
    Gaardean wrote:
    Since the subject of jungle Udyr has come up, what's the basic role a Phoenix Udyr should be fulfilling when it comes to team fight time? He's not really tanky enough to initiate and he's melee locked, so I seem to just flounder around protecting the back lines until I try to stun a caster or carry, at which point I'm focused and go down without accomplishing much.

    What do you normally build on him? Udyr is very item dependent and can't afford to fall behind in gold; Udyr with Mercs, HoG, Cloth, and WE should be pretty tanky by the time you have it.

    Normally, Phodyr should run in with E, punch the AD carry or mage or whoever needs to be disrupted, and then alternate W and R for damage and shielding while punching people right in the thick of it. He is an initiator due to his tankiness and mobility.

    That could be a large part of my problem, a lot of guides had recommended a wriggles, even on Phoenix Udyr, and that seems to be suboptimal for gold usage. Dropping that for an early HoG and replacing a late Warmogs with Randuin's in my overall build might be what I was missing. Having a game where my team isn't focusing Leona while I'm trying to chain stun Cait, Malz, and Lux in would be useful, too.

    I dont see why you wouldnt get the Wriggles on Udyr, it is good cost for gold, gives you the free ward, and helps you Jungle & Dragon faster. It also provides sustain and armor & AD. There is nothing about the item you dont want. (Though I could see replacing it late game for more Tank or DPS).

    Well, as I'd come to realize, Phoenix Udyr does more magic damage than melee, so both the AD and the Lifesteal were largely wasted, as was the proc with how fast he clears. Buying a HoG lets me buy wards faster than I get free ones from Wriggles, the health is useful against both magic and physical, and it builds into a god-tier end-game tanking item.

    Really appreciate the help, @Carnavon. Went 12/6/14 in the next game I played, and aced the other team on both a 2v4 tower defense and a 4v5 fight while tanking baron, with less than 100 health left both times. Really loving Udyr now, though rotating stances so quickly at end-game cramps my fingers. :P

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