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Trenches comic: Tuesday February 28, 2012 - Mr. Toots!
When the Playstation 3 was about to be released, the game retailer I worked for began ramping up its customer service training classes so that we, the phone warriors, would be better equipped to handle the influx of calls for orders. For weeks on end, we would attend the classes in the hopes that we would be able to deal with practically anything.
The night before the release, we had a “briefing” in the call center. Our bosses told us that we were going to be expecting a “reasonably high” call volume and that we were to be on our toes for the remainder of the day. The PS3 would go online at nine o’clock in the morning and we would be steady all day. They were fairly certain that we were
going to be all right.
“You’re aware that this system is highly sought after,” I said to my supervisor in a sidebar. “We’re going to be crushed.”
“We’ll be fine,” he assured me. “There’s more than enough units in the warehouse to cover.”
Everyone was under the impression that we were ready. We weren’t…
As soon as the PS3 went online, the call center exploded. Our entire inventory, however many thousands of units it was, was gone in approximately 45 seconds. For the next four hours, we fielded nothing but calls with the same theme: “I had it in my cart and now it’s gone!”
The call queue was in the hundreds. We couldn’t field them all. After four hours, we shut the queue and the call center down. When the dust settled, five managers lost their jobs, as well as several phone warriors. I was among them.
No one in the marketing department had been following the trends online. We weren’t even close to prepared.
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That's a good story, but it's the first one (I think?) that wasn't about testing. Are the stories opening up for anyone who's got industry horror stories to share, I wonder...?
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
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Why not put up a message on the site? "Sorry, this product is out of stock!" seems like it would do the job?
Unless it was just to placate people pissed off at losing out?
"What do you mean I can't turn around and sell 50 of these to locals on craigslist for a profit because someone else did it first! Rabbble raabbbbbbbbble raaaaaaaaaabble"
Par for the course, fire the valiant people who failed to hold the meteor with their hands, instead of the eggheads who should have foreseen everything but didn't
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That's a good story, but it's the first one (I think?) that wasn't about testing. Are the stories opening up for anyone who's got industry horror stories to share, I wonder...?
Yeah, kind of weird. It's a good story though so I won't complain
The ironic part of the story is, give it about a month and the exact opposite situation was probably true (as someone mentioned, moreso once people figured out they couldn't flip them on eBay for massive profit)
Par for the course, fire the valiant people who failed to hold the meteor with their hands, instead of the eggheads who should have foreseen everything but didn't
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Five managers losing their jobs makes me feel better.
The shocking part of the story for me was that they thought it'd be enough. The more traditional Tale would have management knowing the team was not up to the task, telling them to be stalwart, and then firing them anyway. Considering the fact that they sold everything they had in 45 seconds, they didn't even need to prepare as much as they did.
people losing their jobs should not make you feel good
Why not? A little Schadenfreude is OK now and again. Particularly when bad things usually happen because management screwed up, but it's so rare that they are the ones that get left holding the bag.
To clarify: That five managers also lost their jobs makes me feel better. Frankly, the managers lay much more in the blame sphere for the Tale than the phone guys, who lay completely outside of it. So yeah, justice is a good thing.
people losing their jobs should not make you feel good
Why not? A little Schadenfreude is OK now and again. Particularly when bad things usually happen because management screwed up, but it's so rare that they are the ones that get left holding the bag.
I'm sure their families can appreciate the schadenfreude you derive from their misfortune.
Hopefully some of those managers were people who forecasted the launch impact on their site, and some who setup their ecommerce site to begin with, because most of this is their fault. As the narrator said, Marketing (and Sales) failed to predict just how big the PS3 was going to be, which is just stupid if you knew anything at all about the industry (or consumer electronics in general or the popularity of the PS2). But as someone who worked for 5 years on ecommerce sites (when I got sick of the games industry for a while) I can tell you it's terrible design when a site:
A. Doesn't track inventory real time, including taking into account what's in peoples carts (for less than a day).
B. Let's a customer put something in their cart that's out of stock without warning them.
C. Removes something from a customers cart for any reason. You can put a big red flag on it saying it's out of stock or on back order or whatever, and don't let them take it to the invoice screen, but make them remove it. It's their cart, they need to feel in control of it.
It sucks that bad design and management gets customer support curb stomped.
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I'm sure their families can appreciate the schadenfreude you derive from their misfortune.
Hmm. I suppose it would be better if they were allowed to keep their jobs and eventually the whole company is run into the ground by their incompetence before it is bought out and everyone is sacked. (The management will get golden parachutes of course, and the grunts will get nothing but the bird.) That's normally how it works.
Incompetence should not be coddled even if they do have a family to support. Maybe they will learn what government cheese tastes like in the welfare line. I certainly knew all about that when I was growing up.
I thought the PS3 sold like shit ("five hundred ninety-nine US dollars")? Now the Wii, there was a supply >> demand launch.
Sales for new, big things tend to be like that on the first day (whether to resellers or consumers). You're thinking of the weeks that followed where it didn't sell to expectations (and it didn't really take off until a good year later). The Wii "shortage" was actually done on purpose, if I remember correctly.
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
Incompetence should not be coddled even if they do have a family to support. Maybe they will learn what government cheese tastes like in the welfare line. I certainly knew all about that when I was growing up.
I don't know why, but it makes the best grilled cheese sandwiches. It's the only thing it is good for, but god damn if that cheese isn't fantastic on a grilled cheese.
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
I thought the PS3 sold like shit ("five hundred ninety-nine US dollars")? Now the Wii, there was a supply >> demand launch.
Sales for new, big things tend to be like that on the first day (whether to resellers or consumers). You're thinking of the weeks that followed where it didn't sell to expectations (and it didn't really take off until a good year later). The Wii "shortage" was actually done on purpose, if I remember correctly.
Yes, first couple days PS3s were sold out like crazy. I'd say a good chunk of this were people looking to re-sell the system on eBay (aka people who remember the PS2 and 360 launches).
I think the problem is that intial stock was really low and by the time Sony restocked stores (which was not long actually), demand was mostly gone. Which ultimately lead to this (which took me awhile to find because apparently PA's archive search function is broken -_-):
Almost any wannabe PS3 resellers were in for a rude awakening when they quickly realized they couldn't offload their low demand hardware for more than they paid for it. The Wii resellers, on the other hand, were making bank.
I'm also hard-pressed to believe the Wii scarcity was artificial. The demand for that thing was through the roof for the first year or so.
Everyone was under the impression that we were ready. We weren’t…
I don't think there isn't anything they could have done to handle these volume of calls. I don't think hiring a bunch of temp workers just for this occasion would have been very beneficial either. - The most effective would have been damage control like an automated message "PS3 - Sorry, we are out of stock" or a message on the webpage. And guess what, a lot of potential cutomers would still have called.
I dunno... malicious joy at the misfortune of others? It certainly seems like something we should be, if not ashamed of, at least trying to rise above.
I think people forget that half of the point of the phrase schaudenfraude is that it's something you should be ashamed of.
What? No. Schaden = damage, fraude = joy. Meaning you derive joy from someone else getting damaged.
Literal translations don't always wholly encapsulate an idea. Consider the idea of trying to translate idiomatic phrases directly from one language to another, for example.
There's something to be said for not being too eager to feel glee over anybody losing their job, especially in this economy (although of course things weren't nearly as bad back at PS3 launch). That said, I think there are obvious cases where feeling some pleasure at seeing someone get canned is totally understandable, if not perfectly appropriate. Should people have felt sorry for Paul Christoforo when he lost his job? (Just to offer one recent example which got a lot of attention here.)
In this particular case, I don't see what's so hard to understand about people taking some consolation from the fact that at least it appears some of the those who were actually responsible for the disaster suffered consequences, instead of just the peons taking the fall (as seems to be the norm with these stories). This is a shitty, depressing story all around (it is Tales, after all), and nobody is suggesting that the managers getting pink slips along with the rank and file makes it a happy story. It just makes it slightly less depressing for some people.
I think people forget that half of the point of the phrase schaudenfraude is that it's something you should be ashamed of.
What? No. Schaden = damage, fraude = joy. Meaning you derive joy from someone else getting damaged.
Literal translations don't always wholly encapsulate an idea. Consider the idea of trying to translate idiomatic phrases directly from one language to another, for example.
But the idea is that you are pleased when something goes wrong for someone else, isn't it? Nothing about shame in the idea. Maybe by implication.
Or maybe the word schadenfraude has a subtly different meaning in English than in German (or in Norwegian, where we have a translation of the word from German).
I think people forget that half of the point of the phrase schaudenfraude is that it's something you should be ashamed of.
What? No. Schaden = damage, fraude = joy. Meaning you derive joy from someone else getting damaged.
Yeah, and deriving joy from someone getting damaged is something you should be ashamed of. Hence, schaudenfraude is a shameful thing, generally speaking.
^_-;
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MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
I think people forget that half of the point of the phrase schaudenfraude is that it's something you should be ashamed of.
What? No. Schaden = damage, fraude = joy. Meaning you derive joy from someone else getting damaged.
Literal translations don't always wholly encapsulate an idea. Consider the idea of trying to translate idiomatic phrases directly from one language to another, for example.
"A PSVita in the hand is worthless without the $100 memory card in the bush," for example.
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Why not put up a message on the site? "Sorry, this product is out of stock!" seems like it would do the job?
Unless it was just to placate people pissed off at losing out?
It sounds like they were so blindsighted by their stock going so fast the rest of the day was spent trying to put out fires, which ultimately failed.
Yeah, the impression I got was that all those angry people are people who tried placing their order in that first minute.
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Yeah, kind of weird. It's a good story though so I won't complain
The ironic part of the story is, give it about a month and the exact opposite situation was probably true (as someone mentioned, moreso once people figured out they couldn't flip them on eBay for massive profit)
Five managers losing their jobs makes me feel better.
The shocking part of the story for me was that they thought it'd be enough. The more traditional Tale would have management knowing the team was not up to the task, telling them to be stalwart, and then firing them anyway. Considering the fact that they sold everything they had in 45 seconds, they didn't even need to prepare as much as they did.
Why not? A little Schadenfreude is OK now and again. Particularly when bad things usually happen because management screwed up, but it's so rare that they are the ones that get left holding the bag.
I'm sure their families can appreciate the schadenfreude you derive from their misfortune.
A. Doesn't track inventory real time, including taking into account what's in peoples carts (for less than a day).
B. Let's a customer put something in their cart that's out of stock without warning them.
C. Removes something from a customers cart for any reason. You can put a big red flag on it saying it's out of stock or on back order or whatever, and don't let them take it to the invoice screen, but make them remove it. It's their cart, they need to feel in control of it.
It sucks that bad design and management gets customer support curb stomped.
Hmm. I suppose it would be better if they were allowed to keep their jobs and eventually the whole company is run into the ground by their incompetence before it is bought out and everyone is sacked. (The management will get golden parachutes of course, and the grunts will get nothing but the bird.) That's normally how it works.
Incompetence should not be coddled even if they do have a family to support. Maybe they will learn what government cheese tastes like in the welfare line. I certainly knew all about that when I was growing up.
Edit: Derp.
Yes, first couple days PS3s were sold out like crazy. I'd say a good chunk of this were people looking to re-sell the system on eBay (aka people who remember the PS2 and 360 launches).
I think the problem is that intial stock was really low and by the time Sony restocked stores (which was not long actually), demand was mostly gone. Which ultimately lead to this (which took me awhile to find because apparently PA's archive search function is broken -_-):
I'm also hard-pressed to believe the Wii scarcity was artificial. The demand for that thing was through the roof for the first year or so.
Fuck, I botched my symbols. Should have read "supply << demand".
I don't think there isn't anything they could have done to handle these volume of calls. I don't think hiring a bunch of temp workers just for this occasion would have been very beneficial either. - The most effective would have been damage control like an automated message "PS3 - Sorry, we are out of stock" or a message on the webpage. And guess what, a lot of potential cutomers would still have called.
What? No. Schaden = damage, fraude = joy. Meaning you derive joy from someone else getting damaged.
Literal translations don't always wholly encapsulate an idea. Consider the idea of trying to translate idiomatic phrases directly from one language to another, for example.
In this particular case, I don't see what's so hard to understand about people taking some consolation from the fact that at least it appears some of the those who were actually responsible for the disaster suffered consequences, instead of just the peons taking the fall (as seems to be the norm with these stories). This is a shitty, depressing story all around (it is Tales, after all), and nobody is suggesting that the managers getting pink slips along with the rank and file makes it a happy story. It just makes it slightly less depressing for some people.
But the idea is that you are pleased when something goes wrong for someone else, isn't it? Nothing about shame in the idea. Maybe by implication.
Or maybe the word schadenfraude has a subtly different meaning in English than in German (or in Norwegian, where we have a translation of the word from German).
Yeah, and deriving joy from someone getting damaged is something you should be ashamed of. Hence, schaudenfraude is a shameful thing, generally speaking.
Too Galactic for you.
"A PSVita in the hand is worthless without the $100 memory card in the bush," for example.