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Classic Blizzard thread!
SimBen
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Hi. I would like to discuss old Blizzard stuff. By that I mean pre-Starcraft, so Warcraft 1, 2 and Diablo 1 (and the SNES games if you've played them; I've only played a little bit of Lost Vikings 2 a really long time ago). I've started playing Warcraft 1 a little while ago (which runs amazingly fine on XP, albeit with no music), and I find it's still a fun game even though it hasn't aged well at all (by that I mean, it's butt-ugly, all the guys have the same voice, you have to control-click to do a drag-box, your groups are limited to 4, and the map scrolls way too fast on a current system, so you have to either constantly manipulate the minimap or right-click everywhere to center the screen there). It also makes me miss the simpler, pre-WoW Warcraft lore, where the Orcs were the bad guys and the Humans were the good guys and that was it.
But yeah. Have at it, everyone.
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But yeah. Have at it, everyone.
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Diablo was cool.
But, screw that damn Butcher. Scary stuff right there. The game had good music, a godd story and a good atmosphere though, I liked Diablo 2 slightly more but this game is still amazing, I can remember me and my friend playing it over a LAN, me on this crappy laptop and he on his computer, it was good fun.
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Pretty much the game that sold me on RTS
No, this thread is about older stuff! No cookie for you! Go make a Diablo 2 thread!
Yeah, okay, I'm not gonna be a nazi about this, but the point is to discuss the Blizzard of old.
Edit: Also, this is going to freak you out... D2 was 2001, if I recall correctly. That's 5 years. Starcraft is coming up on its 10th anniversary.
Not anymore!
D2 was 2000, exp in 2001. StarCraft is 10 years old this year.
So fun.
I even played when everyone had duped Godly [insert name of armor piece here] of the Whale and Zodiak stuff that added +20 to all stats.
Real Men (like me) played four player Diablo daisy-chained over serial connections.
Also, I try to mention IronMan games every time Diablo is brought up. Basically, an IronMan game is where you get four people on a LAN, you all start a game, and then you are not allowed to come back to town unless absolutely required for a quest, and you can't buy anything (or get anything repaired or any staves recharged) from Griswold, Adria, or Pepin (and you can't use his healing either). Sort of like a "No Merchant Run" for RE4, only harder. You're only allowed to use Pepin's Healing if you die and restart in town. And if someone in the party doesn't have a TP, you're walking.
It is hard as/fun as hell.
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I never played the first Warcraft. I saw Warcraft II after having played Command & Conquer, and I think that really just turned me off to the different gameplay elements in Warcraft II.
My brother and his friends would play Diablo on the Playstation, but I never paid much attention to it. I thought it looked kind of crummy. I finally got it for my PC about 5-6 years ago as a free game when I bought the Warcraft III Battlechest, and I liked it a bit more. I didn't care for the repeated clicking of the mouse. I haven't really played that far into it.
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Yeah, except that we're talking about Warcraft 1 or 2 or Diablo 1.
Aaawww come on! I was close enough. It's still pretty much the same as WC I & II!
There is a strategy game on the Game Boy Color called "Warlocked" that is so similar to Warcraft II I'm surprised Blizzard didn't sue.
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You mean except for the part where it's totally different and more like Starcraft except with role-playing elements.
Touche.
There was one with a similar name on the NES. Can't remember what it was called but I owned the cart. You started with a pickup truck, then upgraded to a minivan, then to a racing car.
And in the later levels the orange dude would often go berserk and start going twice as fast as everybody else. If you didn't manage to take him down when he passed by you, you were screwed.
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I remember being hugely annoyed by being limited to selecting a maximum of nine (was it?) units at once. I never quite got past that and when Starcraft had a similar problem it continued to nag at me. Still good fun though!
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When I finished the Orcs campaign and was stuck in the Humans I played a lot of custom maps, to the point where I was ridiculously good at it. I´m not sure if I have ever been this good at any game after that. I used to massacre my friends playing over modem on weekly sessions until they got tired of it and we moved on to Duke Nuken 3D... I only finished it once after that, and every once in a while I get some free time and have the urge to play it again, I always back out fearing it will not be as good as nostalgia makes it. Some day I will probably do it tough, and I must admit that by looking at screenshots it still looks pretty damn good for a 96 game...
Signing up for the "Warcraft II made me a gamer" club.
I tried playing Diablo on a Mac, way back in the day, but it crashed the system a few times, so I took it back. Never did get back in to it after that.
I have a love/hate relationship with D2, so I should probably check this out...
I have a copy sitting on my computer desk for the Genesis. Original box and art, along with perfect condition instruction manual (colored) and the software registration card.
I remember trying to pick this game up about a year ago at the flee market. The guy insisted that Rock'n Roll Racing never existed on the genesis, even to the point of calling me an idiot.
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Yeah, and the Butcher was such a bastard. I can't even begin to recall how many characters of mine he has ganked.
I remember it was Secondary 1 (a.k.a. 7th grade to Americans), and my best friend would positively not shut up about Warcraft II. How last night he got there and did this and he beat the Orcs with his Paladins and yadda yadda. The thing is, it sounded way too complicated to my 11-year-old mind, I wasn't into PC games outside of LucasArts adventure games, and I had no idea what a real-time strategy game was. And of course, my friend never bothered to explain that it was a strategy game or explain what that involved, so I imagined the game was a side-scrolling or Zelda-style overhead game in which the player could switch between different characters. It all sounded very boring and I was sick of him never talking about anything else.
Then one day, on this old kids' tech/videogame show called Generation W (which, in retrospect, was unbelievably horrible and filled with people who had no clue what they were talking about, but which I loved back then), they had a small feature/review about Warcraft II, and they had in-game footage. And then I finally understood, and saw how gorgeous it looked, so next time I was at my friend's place I asked him if I could try Warcraft II and he happily let me, and I was hooked. The months after that, my dad got his internets hooked up and the FIRST thing I did on that old 9.6K modem was to download the Warcraft II demo, which stood at a gargantuan 13 megs - it took 12 hours to download. That's also when I discovered Blizzard as a company; I eventually downloaded the Diablo 1 demo on my old Mac and also got hooked on these three levels, and only after did I register that it was made by the Warcraft people. So this same friend, a couple years later, tells me about Starcraft and all he has to say is "Warcraft - in Space" and I download the even-more-huge 28-meg demo (at another friend's place this time, because it took excruciatingly long for Starcraft to make it to Macs). Then I got hooked on that too and went back to get all the Blizzard (PC) games, and have gotten each one of them since.
Oh, and WC2 totally holds up graphically today. Much more than Diablo and Starcraft, because those tried to look realistic; WC2 was always completely cartoony, and it still looks fantastic, even though its resolution is less than optimal. In fact, we should totally have a WC2 BNE game on. Yay?
I just finished the latter on my GBA a few weeks back, played through in two days. Such glorious fun.
I wound up picking up Warcraft II by chance. My parents didn't bother trying to guess what I wanted for Christmas or my birthday and would just ask me to pick something from a store. At the time, I remember that C&C and Warcraft II were being talked about on a few bbs's. I initially pointed out C&C at a CompUSA, but for some reason we didn't pick it up there. Later at a Best Buy, I guess I decided the Warcraft II box looked better or something, probably because it was fantasy and I was a big RPG fan even then so I wound up with that.
I sucked at Warcraft II as well since it was my first strategy game period. It wasn't til Diablo that I got the hang of real time gaming and didn't have to use cheat codes to progress the game and plot.
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When they were released, I wrote them off as cheesy Warhammer clones, and didn't get around to trying anything 'till the third one. I have no idea if it's worth it to go back (if I can track copies down) and give 'em a try.
Diablo 2 doesn't nearly touch on the brililance of Diablo 1's atmosphere and fluff. The fluff in D2 is paltry and stale compared to the dark, gothic feel of Diablo 1. The gameplay in Diablo 1 is also much more strategic rather than brute force-ish. Remember those doors you could lead monsters and shoot through? Remember taking cover behind pillars and naked-people-on-a-stick in hell? Remember those charging monsters in the caves that you'd pick off from a distance or get raped up close and personal?
Damn I love Diablo. Too bad the third will follow in the footsteps of the second game, as the darker, more strategic gameplay of Diablo was severely overshadowed by "ZOMG LOOTS AND EASY."
I do remember having a debate with someone on the board who had sworn up and down that The Butcher could open doors, though, so maybe Blizzard fixed it in a patch. I can tell you that in 1.04 he was as dumb as bricks, and would wander back and forth in front of me while I shot arrow after arrow through the grates until he croaked.
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Anyways. Yes, blizz originally had more than the 'crafts. Go stick in your War 2 and Starcraft disks. If they are like mine (first printings), they have demos of other games blizz had in development. There were some very intriguing ideas in there.