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So while they suck now, viewed with an eye for adherence to the source and with post-90's sensibilities, we shouldn't pretend they weren't a success during the period following their initial release or act though we weren't just as into it as everyone else. Was there a single kid who didn't like them at the time?
Yeah, how did people complain before the internet?
I absolutely LOVE Batman Returns.
So that's how I tend to look at it.
He wasn't playing the Joker, he was playing Jack Nicholson with some make-up and weird-ass smile.
Yeah I agree, but I still enjoy watching him just mess about.
Of course I'd like to see a different Joker in the next movie.
I don't know what you're saying, but I just got back from eating a big ass roast beef sandwich from Kelly's and I must say...it was delicious.
I dont know what movie it would be, but I like it.
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It's probably something by James Cameron by the sounds of it.
It was of...titanic proportions, that even Apone would enjoy.
But hey, we're straying from the topic here.
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This isn't true
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When I was a kid, pre-DC animated stuff, he was alright. After I watched (or rather listened) to Mark Hamill as the Joker, no one else sits right with me.
Jack Nicholson was retarded, the "moody imagery" was stupid, and while I enjoy Danny Elfman's music on just listen-throughs, I don't think it fits action movies.
I love it.
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Also, like I said. That isn't the Joker at all.
It's Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson in make-up.
There's much more to Joker than "Hey I'm crazy and I make corny jokes! Hahahaahhaha!"
Of course there is. There are many different versions of the Joker. Batman 89' chose to go with that version.
Dark Knight looks like it'll be the dark, psychotic version that would mostly likely filet you with a rusty knife before using something like a killer joy buzzer.
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THIS is the Joker.
(spoilers for Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JEa71aS3oU
This is unrelated but I must ask it.
I thought the first one was okay, never saw the other ones other than Returns which was pretty boring
you didn't find Superman vs. A Boulder exciting?
Well it sure as hell wasn't Lois that's for sure
I love Batman Begins though, which is much closer to my personal view of Batman. It has its flaws but I find them much more forgivable than Tim Burtons stylish outings.
Personally, I find it hard to reconcile Joker being some kind of crime genius with my chosen interpretation of the character, which is that anyone can become the Joker under the right circumstances. If he's a brilliant criminal to start, then all his transformation really entails is snapping and then turning his talents to more ludicrous, evil pursuits. He becomes a talented man who went insane, not a man like anyone else who found brilliance in the insanity that consumed him.
On the other hand, my interpretation also works well with Joker having multiple origins, which will be the case so long as DC never outright states that the Killing Joke and the rest have been retconned. Anyone can be the Joker, under the right circumstances, and therefore he could have come from anywhere. Multiple origins with multiple pre-Joker gentlemen of different backgrounds, and the following idea that they're all equally likely, illustrates that point.
Zod vs Supes was pretty sweet....
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Wasn't the end of the Killing joke kind of the opposite of 'anyone could become the Joker?' He was actually trying to prove that with Gordon, and failed.
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I like to think the possibility is still there.
After all, it's not as though Joker duplicated the circumstances behind his own creation. He was just trying to make Gordon crazy. So, if anything, his failure to do so would disprove the notion that anyone can lose their mind, which is of course ridiculous.
Hrmm... I'm gonna have to go read my copy again, I was under the impression that the Joker has already done pretty much everything he planned to do to Gordon by the time Batman showed up, and expected Gordon to already be insane from his commentary at the end.
What I took from it was that yes, 'One bad day' can make a Joker (or a Batman for that matter) but there has to be the seed of something a little nutters to begin with. The Joker wanted to believe that his creation was the result of "One bad day" because then it wasn't really his fault.
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Still, it's not like Joker gave Gordon an entire day's worth of events. Really, it was more like One Bad Trip To The Amusement Park.
But Joker couldn't very well lock Gordon in a tower with nothing but babies to eat, or something similarly mentally taxing, because obviously there was a very limited period of time before Batman would arrive and fix things. The only real option was to create a short insanity gauntlet that, admittedly, would only result in a quivering mass of man waiting to be rescued rather than a full, gibbering lunatic.
And with the image of a nude, very disturbed looking Jim Gordon cowering in a cage rather than standing proudly in the face of crazy imagery and psycho-cherubs, I think it was evident that Joker could have pushed him over the edge if he'd only had enough time to organize a stronger production.
Point taken - Anyone can be broken with enough time, I read that as Joker was trying to prove that your average joe was a lot closer to that breaking point than anyone wanted to admit, but I can see how it could be read otherwise. As with most Joker origin stories ambiguity is the order of the day.
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All I can say is "It doesn't suck yet." I'm hesitant to be more enthusiastic than that. So far, I've had a bit of a chuckle to myself about Harley the Barmaid, and I'm intrigued by the ur-Joker, but I'm reserving final judgment. Now, one thing I do like is the ur-Joker's bloodthirstiness. I kinda like that instead of being a normal guy who just snaps, he's already a cold-blooded murderer.
Hey uh. . . Remind me to never get on your bad side.
I'm very fond of the current Joker origin(s?) myself, but yeah, I'll have to go with "they haven't screwed up yet".
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