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Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
edited March 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
I think my lawyer falls into the second category. Does anyone know what the deal is with filing a grievance on a lawyer? Is it like shooting a rhino with a .22, and will only piss him off, ultimately getting me stomped to death? Will it seriously shit in his cheerios? Do i get any sort of satisfaction besides the fact that his cheerios have been shat in?

Long story short: He represented me in a case against the seller of my house. We won (sort of... settled), and now the plaintiff refuses to pay, or even show up to court. The last resort is a body attachment warrant, which i asked my lawyer to file. He said he did it (a lie), ignored my calls and emails for a time, said he would do it (another lie), ignored me again, and then lied about filing it a third time. This is over about a 6 month period.

I essentially wrote him a letter and said that i thought he was pretty lax in representing me, and my lawyer friends said i should probably file a grievance. he is now acting like a butthurt prick, and trying to pawn me off on another lawyer. Saying: he doesn't feel comfortable filing this or representing me further, and would have to charge me at his normal rates to file the paperwork. i don't want to give this jerkoff another dime, let alone have him represent me further. Honestly, i don't want to give his buddy any money either. i basically said in my letter: i don't want to file a grievance, b/c it gets me nowhere as far as getting this judgement. I just want him to do what he said he'd do 6 months ago. Now i think i would like to kick this guy's dick in the dirt on principle.

Am i being needlessly petty? i don't mind being petty, as long as i'm not being unreasonable. What say you H/A'ers?

I really hope my posts on these boards can be mined for evidence when i finally snap and go Falling Down, i'd like my insanity defense to be ironclad.

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  • RedDawnRedDawn Registered User regular
    I can't give help on the grievance filing part, but to me it doesn't sound like you are being petty. You are paying him to do a job he isn't doing, and by the sound of it now refuses to do unless you pay him more. It may be intimidating because he is a lawyer, but anywhere else that wouldn't be acceptable, and it certainly isn't acceptable here.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    You're not being needlessly petty, your house is falling down because of negligence. If anything he should be getting sued and a grievance filed against him. Hope you kept track of how much you paid him.

    I can't be much help in finding a replacement but if he hasn't filed and you've paid him money, then, by golly, that's paying for a service that hasn't been delivered.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    You're not being petty. Petty is trying to get a lawyer disbarred when he refuses to charge his client to courier something to you, or filing a complaint when you lose at small claims court and have to pay the bill from your lawyer.

    Your lawyer sounds like a total shitbird. I don't know where you live, but where I practice, lawyers have been reprimanded and fined for the kinds of things you've described.

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Do not under any circumstances use the lawyer he recommended to you.

    Find another, different lawyer (preferably through word-of-mouth). Use that other lawyer.

    And if you look at the website for your state Bar Association, they probably have a procedure for filing a grievance against a lawyer there. I would do so.

    Also, don't pay him another dime. Do you have him in writing saying he would do these things that he never did, or is it just over the phone?

  • tech_huntertech_hunter More SeattleRegistered User regular
    So a little searching came up with this

    http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/atty-complaint.php

    They provide a kind of form letter for submitting a complaint

    Here are some warnings they give though
    Do not file a complaint against an attorney unless you truly believe (and can prove) he or she acted in a blatantly unethical manner. Do not file a complaint to "get back" at an attorney. Do not file frivolous complaints regarding relatively minor misbehavior or about non-substantive issues- the court will NOT be sympathetic to these kinds of complaints. Filing a groundless or "annoyance" complaint will usually be to your detriment, as the court often deals harshly with the person who files such complaints.

    Also I am not a lawyer and this isnt legal advise just some info I found on the internets

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  • Aoi TsukiAoi Tsuki Registered User regular
    Yeah, I'm studying to be a paralegal, and in every single one of my 6 classes this semester, they've hammered it into us that one of the quickest and easiest ways to get sued for malpractice is to miss deadlines and/or tell your clients you've filed shit that you did not actually file. Than was right in that you need to go to your state's bar association, because no, this isn't petty, it's shitty lawyerin'.

    Do you have e-mails or something else in writing that could help prove your case? "He told me repeatedly that he'd filed it" will not go down nearly as well as "I have this e-mail conversation in which I was told he'd filed it on XX/XX/XXXX."

  • Billy ChenowithBilly Chenowith Registered User regular
    I don't think you need written evidence that he agreed to file anything. Unless he explicitly limited his representation when he agreed to take your case, he has to see it through to the end. Also, you can show that he didn't respond to your e-mails and phone calls. Lawyers have a duty to communicate promptly with their clients.

  • finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Do not under any circumstances use the lawyer he recommended to you.

    Find another, different lawyer (preferably through word-of-mouth). Use that other lawyer.

    And if you look at the website for your state Bar Association, they probably have a procedure for filing a grievance against a lawyer there. I would do so.

    Also, don't pay him another dime. Do you have him in writing saying he would do these things that he never did, or is it just over the phone?

    I'm going to back this up. At this point you should be looking for other lawyers (ideally ones your lawyer friends connect you with).

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    I don't think you need written evidence that he agreed to file anything. Unless he explicitly limited his representation when he agreed to take your case, he has to see it through to the end. Also, you can show that he didn't respond to your e-mails and phone calls. Lawyers have a duty to communicate promptly with their clients.

    Yeah I'm suspicious he'd need to prove much. His settlement was accepted, then the dude reneged on it. They'd get that far and go "so the client asked you to do something about this, you didn't, the client says you would do it numerous times and you didn't... uh... so got anything you want to add?"

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • SimpsoniaSimpsonia Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    If you're serious about filing a complaint, just google whichever body handles attorney registration and discipline for your state, for example Illinois' is the aptly named ARDC. Then call them up, their entire jobs are basically fielding complaints and investigating them.

    The guy will likely only face censure though (which is still plenty bad because it will follow his license for the rest of his life), probably not even warranting a suspension. Disbarment is almost certainly out. I know in IL, attorneys usually only get disbarred for committing a felony or misusing client trust funds (or for being Blago!)

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Full disclosure: i did not pay him to file the paperwork, normally he would do stuff, and then send me a bill. So it wasn't technically services paid for and not rendered.

    I only have his most recent response saying he'll file the paperwork, i do have an email that i sent, with no response. i'm 99% sure all his promises to file the work was over the phone. and most times i'd call his office, he'd be busy, and he'd never call me back. I would imagine the court would see that the next step in the case was the warrant, and it wasn't done. i guess it'd be my word against his if he said "oh well you never asked me to follow through."

    Oh, and I called the number of the lawyer that he recommended, just to see what kind of fee he'd charge, and the number wasn't even valid.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Haha nice. You're getting dicked my friend. Ask around your friends see if you have any that might have recommendations. You'd be surprised at who has a good lawyer for this kind of stuff.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Full disclosure: i did not pay him to file the paperwork, normally he would do stuff, and then send me a bill. So it wasn't technically services paid for and not rendered.

    I only have his most recent response saying he'll file the paperwork, i do have an email that i sent, with no response. i'm 99% sure all his promises to file the work was over the phone. and most times i'd call his office, he'd be busy, and he'd never call me back. I would imagine the court would see that the next step in the case was the warrant, and it wasn't done. i guess it'd be my word against his if he said "oh well you never asked me to follow through."

    Oh, and I called the number of the lawyer that he recommended, just to see what kind of fee he'd charge, and the number wasn't even valid.

    Did you pay a retainer?

  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    in the beginning, but after that was used up he just billed me whenever he thought about my case. (that is an exaggeration)

  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    disclaimer: i AM a lawyer. this should not be taken as legal advice specific to your situation. it is only a summation of your lawyer's general ethical duties.

    whether or not a client has paid an attorney has little bearing on a lawyer's duties to a client. a lawyer may end representation of a client for something like nonpayment, but only in situations where it is CLEAR to the client that the attorney-client relationship has ended, or in extreme situations.

    otherwise, if an attorney knows that a client believes an attorney-client relationship exists, and that attorney makes representations that he or she will undertake legal services on behalf of the client, regardless of payment, the attorney is obligated to respect that relationship, provide competent legal representation, and keep the client informed of significant facts and events in the client's case.

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  • Evil_ReaverEvil_Reaver Registered User regular
    disclaimer: i AM a lawyer. this should not be taken as legal advice specific to your situation. it is only a summation of your lawyer's general ethical duties.

    whether or not a client has paid an attorney has little bearing on a lawyer's duties to a client. a lawyer may end representation of a client for something like nonpayment, but only in situations where it is CLEAR to the client that the attorney-client relationship has ended, or in extreme situations.

    otherwise, if an attorney knows that a client believes an attorney-client relationship exists, and that attorney makes representations that he or she will undertake legal services on behalf of the client, regardless of payment, the attorney is obligated to respect that relationship, provide competent legal representation, and keep the client informed of significant facts and events in the client's case.

    This. Filipino basically quoted the model rules of professional responsibility, which is a body of law that all attorneys have to abide by.

    If you want to file a grievance, which you should, just contact your state's bar association. They handle attorney discipline and shit like that; they may not be able to help you get the problem resolved, but they certainly can get you the information you need in order to file the complaint.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    Yeah, i've got the form typed up and everything. I just have to sign it and send it.

    One of my friends told me i don't really NEED a lawyer at this point, moving forward is just forms and crap that i can do myself. So i'll probably go that route.

  • Evil_ReaverEvil_Reaver Registered User regular
    Good for you for doing something about this. It pisses me off when I hear stories about other attorneys not doing their jobs because it makes the rest of us look bad. Lawyers get a bad enough rap as it is and this kind of behavior doesn't help the cause.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    between my lawyer, and the other guys lawyer, this was like a perfect storm of bullshit.

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