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  • FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Frozenzen wrote: »
    I never had issues with any of the other guard missions actually, unless day 8 adds some hellish ones.

    the one at gins route was pretty standard iirc in 3 people guard while main does whatever, as main is an unkillable dancemachine at that point :P.

    Gin's route:
    Atsuro escorts Haru. Haru dies if hit once. Enemy teams that warp in have Phantasma and Chaos Wave and warp in at four spots on map, quite often.

    Enemies with Phantasma have higher Speed relative to movement-only actions. And they can reach Haru's position at the synth with Chaos Wave without even warping across the chasm.

    The result is a potentially very obnoxious fight.
    I assume that is day 8, or I somehow forgot about it. Sounds incredibly annoying actually.

  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Frozenzen wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Frozenzen wrote: »
    I never had issues with any of the other guard missions actually, unless day 8 adds some hellish ones.

    the one at gins route was pretty standard iirc in 3 people guard while main does whatever, as main is an unkillable dancemachine at that point :P.

    Gin's route:
    Atsuro escorts Haru. Haru dies if hit once. Enemy teams that warp in have Phantasma and Chaos Wave and warp in at four spots on map, quite often.

    Enemies with Phantasma have higher Speed relative to movement-only actions. And they can reach Haru's position at the synth with Chaos Wave without even warping across the chasm.

    The result is a potentially very obnoxious fight.
    I assume that is day 8, or I somehow forgot about it. Sounds incredibly annoying actually.
    Gin doesn't have a Day 8, even in DS:O (wouldn't make sense, as you banish all demons and lock the King's Gate preventing their return).

    I like to think of Gin's Route as the Tenacious D ending.

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  • EVOLEVOL Registered User regular
    I dunno if this counts as spoilers for DS2's day 4, but I'll just spoiler to be safe.
    Fuck you, Megrez. And you too, Team Tokyo. Team Nagoya for life. Holy shit Keita + Assassination. That is all.

  • FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    EVOL wrote: »
    I dunno if this counts as spoilers for DS2's day 4, but I'll just spoiler to be safe.
    Fuck you, Megrez. And you too, Team Tokyo. Team Nagoya for life. Holy shit Keita + Assassination. That is all.
    It really is the hardest fight, although I kinda cheesed it the first time by going with whichever team has Yamato in it if you let jungo/keita die. He is silly broken against the regular enemies, even if they made sure he is useless against megrez.

  • EVOLEVOL Registered User regular
    Frozenzen wrote: »
    EVOL wrote: »
    I dunno if this counts as spoilers for DS2's day 4, but I'll just spoiler to be safe.
    Fuck you, Megrez. And you too, Team Tokyo. Team Nagoya for life. Holy shit Keita + Assassination. That is all.
    It really is the hardest fight, although I kinda cheesed it the first time by going with whichever team has Yamato in it if you let jungo/keita die. He is silly broken against the regular enemies, even if they made sure he is useless against megrez.
    Oh, it was the hardest fight? That's a relief. I think I wasted about three fucking hours on it. The nature of the game made that time feel even longer, so I was very close to throwing my 3DS at the wall.

    That said, Yamato can be in a party in that mission? Huh. I let Jungo die on accident, and I couldn't use him.

  • FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    EVOL wrote: »
    Frozenzen wrote: »
    EVOL wrote: »
    I dunno if this counts as spoilers for DS2's day 4, but I'll just spoiler to be safe.
    Fuck you, Megrez. And you too, Team Tokyo. Team Nagoya for life. Holy shit Keita + Assassination. That is all.
    It really is the hardest fight, although I kinda cheesed it the first time by going with whichever team has Yamato in it if you let jungo/keita die. He is silly broken against the regular enemies, even if they made sure he is useless against megrez.
    Oh, it was the hardest fight? That's a relief. I think I wasted about three fucking hours on it. The nature of the game made that time feel even longer, so I was very close to throwing my 3DS at the wall.

    That said, Yamato can be in a party in that mission? Huh. I let Jungo die on accident, and I couldn't use him.
    In the tokyo or osaka squad he joins up, only happened in the playtrough when I managed to get both of them killed though. There are fights coming up which are technically harder, but at that point you have enough options that it feels a lot less annoying. Megrez is just the perfect storm of fuck you mechanics and relative lack of options at that point in the game as far as skills/demons go.

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    I didn't find Megrez too hard - buying 4/5 star demons as soon as they come up (with the odd special auction thrown in) and using the fusion menu's search to pick up any you miss gave me plenty of options. I've yet to do a single free battle and I'm at the start of day 6. My team is three casters and Keita, because you only get one Pierce while you get four elements and three viable spells for each one.

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  • FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Well yeah, the 3 casters+1 physical is kinda unavoidable sadly, you even get holy dance+megido+megidolaon if you are a lazy bastard like me who doesn't want to switch skills on people. My main issue with megrez was the movement pattern, you kinda had to know where to go before it happened.

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  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    Frozenzen wrote: »
    Well yeah, the 3 casters+1 physical is kinda unavoidable sadly, you even get holy dance+megido+megidolaon if you are a lazy bastard like me who doesn't want to switch skills on people. My main issue with megrez was the movement pattern, you kinda had to know where to go before it happened.
    Yeah I went into that thinking I'd hit him with my MC's overwhelming force using Double Up, was deeply annoyed when that strat was rendered worthless. Everything else just sort of worked out for me - I had someone with Flight to take out the distortions, and Meggy spawns ended up dropping down right by Keita who was going in to help out.

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  • Gaming-FreakGaming-Freak Registered User regular
    The hardest part about Day 4's boss is its large life bar coupled by the fact that it warps around after you did enough damage, and then heals itself. So annoying...

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    I can't wait to start Devil Survivor 2 from what everyone is saying about it. It's sitting here untouched thus far. I'm trying to finish up all DS:O's endings first.

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  • Gaming-FreakGaming-Freak Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    I can't wait to start Devil Survivor 2 from what everyone is saying about it. It's sitting here untouched thus far. I'm trying to finish up all DS:O's endings first.

    Good luck with that. A couple of the 8th days will make you want to pull your hair out.

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  • RexpopRexpop Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    The best thing about the JP version we lost was the

    'It is a title screen.
    Something pushes a button.'

    I will never understand people who get bent out of shape when Engrish is ironed out of American releases.

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    Because it's funny.

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  • BursarBursar Hee Noooo! PDX areaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Yeah, it's a blast.
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    Whoops, forgot it was a .bmp. That's changed now.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    Yeah, of course I get why it had to be removed; I would've removed it too.

    It's still a nice touch for the JP version. :P

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  • EVOLEVOL Registered User regular
    I'm on Day 6 now. The shit is starting to hit the fan plot-wise. Yes.

    I'm starting to think my MC's magic stats are maybe too high. Like, 'What's the point of being this strong' high. Maybe I should have dumped some of those points into Agility or Vitality. I dunno.

    Boss fights after that sonnuva bitch Megrez are also much more manageable. Goody.

    And some spoilers for a sidequest in Day 5:
    What was the point of the Billiken mission? I guess I got to see the two Jack Bros getting slaughtered and me missing the chance to crack Holy Dance right in front of my eyes?

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    EVOL wrote: »
    I'm on Day 6 now. The shit is starting to hit the fan plot-wise. Yes.

    I'm starting to think my MC's magic stats are maybe too high. Like, 'What's the point of being this strong' high. Maybe I should have dumped some of those points into Agility or Vitality. I dunno.

    Boss fights after that sonnuva bitch Megrez are also much more manageable. Goody.

    And some spoilers for a sidequest in Day 5:
    What was the point of the Billiken mission? I guess I got to see the two Jack Bros getting slaughtered and me missing the chance to crack Holy Dance right in front of my eyes?

    Great, confirmation that I've definitely missed something :P Was deluding myself into thinking I was managing a perfect run without the use of a guide, haha.

    My MC is like 10/31/10/10 for a few Nulls. I think it caps out at 40 though, so you'll be diversifying soon enough.

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  • NintenNinten Registered User regular
    By the way, what happens if you deal the killing blow to Kudlak?
    Miss Mari dies or something?

  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited April 2012


    Sounds like bunk to me...

    Shinobi is reporting that a 3DS version of Soul Hackers has been announced by Atlus in this week's Famitsu. According to him, the game will have full voice acting and other new features. It's scheduled for release on August 30.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    WHAT!?

    SCANS! NOW!

    Too good to be true. Sorry, Gemini. You can still beat Atlus to it though!

    :(

    ...


    :D

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    Nah, it's real. Scans will show up later tonight.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I've said this before, but as much as I loved Innocent Sin's fan translation, Atlus USA's really was better. So if they announce it before Gemini is done, I will play the real thing and wait.

    Michel > Michelle.

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  • DeMoNDeMoN twitch.tv/toxic_cizzle Registered User regular
    Is it pronounced Mitchell or Michelle. I'm so confused.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    Michelle, but the proper spelling is Michel, IMO.

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  • BursarBursar Hee Noooo! PDX areaRegistered User regular
    Yes, it's the French name.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOe47avH7y0

    I'm still stunned this is really happening. I totally thought they were ignoring Soul Hackers.


    Kind of wish it was on the PSP or V, but who cares. Whatever makes it more likely to come out here.

    And maps will be helpful. I can attest, Soul Hackers' dungeons are HELL.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    If that's true...wow.

    Soul Hackers is easily the #1 game on my "Want to play in English" list.

    I never finished it (stupid Saturn battery died on me mid-game) but I wrote a partial FAQ for the game a decade or so ago:
    http://www.gamefaqs.com/saturn/574608-devil-summoner-soul-hackers/faqs/5012

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    I'm at the second to last dungeon.

    IMO, atmosphere wise, it really lives up to the glory. The presentation, style, gameplay, everything is great. The only thing bad about it is that it's not in English.

    I don't think any SMT game since has made the demon sprite graphics look as good. Not even Strange Journey. They're fully animated and their attacks feel vicious, since they're done with 3D effects.

    Come to think of it, now the 3DS makes perfect sense...

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Bursar wrote: »
    Yes, it's the French name.

    It'd be 'me-shell' then wouldn't it?

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Ninten wrote: »
    By the way, what happens if you deal the killing blow to Kudlak?
    Miss Mari dies or something?

    I'll do it on my next playthrough if you like.

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  • TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    Ninten
    Mari gets murdered in her sleep by Kudlak or he jumps her on rez or something like that. I've yet to not kill him.

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    I think Kudlak just resurrects at full HP or something and you have to whittle him down all over again.

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  • EVOLEVOL Registered User regular
    Soul Hackers for 3DS? Yesssssss. I always wanted to play that, but it was to hard to play in a legit way. I hope my Japanese is up to snuff for it.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I got through the Saturn version thanks to a really good Let's Play, and an obsessive use of screencaps to keep record of what spells did what.

    Like so:

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    I think I could safely play any SMT game in Japanese now and at least known the difference between Bufu, Agi, and Dia.

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  • EVOLEVOL Registered User regular
    We can post scans here, right? I keep forgetting. Here's a few really shitty ones anyway:

    http://i.imgur.com/kGxHF.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/j72HA.jpg

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    Yep. Definitely redrawn. Soejima? I can't really tell.

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  • EVOLEVOL Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    That's definitely Soejima aping Kaneko's style, ala the P2 remakes.

    According to Korean Atlus fans, Kaneko is currrently 'independent' from Atlus. He doesn't work there although he still does draw/design some stuff for them. Take that with a grain of salt, I couldn't see a definite source. It would make sense though, I don't know.

    About playing Soul Hackers in Japanese, I can read Hiragana and Katakana well enough to play the game... Understanding the plot and dialogue properly is a whole different matter. I can get the gist of it, but I always get some minute details wrong. Time for some studying, I guess.

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  • NintenNinten Registered User regular
    Soul Hackers has the best death animations in MegaTen history.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    EVOL wrote: »
    That's definitely Soejima aping Kaneko's style, ala the P2 remakes.

    According to Korean Atlus fans, Kaneko is currrently 'independent' from Atlus. He doesn't work there although he still does draw/design some stuff for them. Take that with a grain of salt, I couldn't see a definite source. It would make sense though, I don't know.

    About playing Soul Hackers in Japanese, I can read Hiragana and Katakana well enough to play the game... Understanding the plot and dialogue properly is a whole different matter. I can get the gist of it, but I always get some minute details wrong. Time for some studying, I guess.

    That makes a lot of sense. Sad if true.

    That begs the question, then: what IS Kaneko up to?

    Still, Soejima worked on Soul Hackers, so this isn't that big a departure. He did all the in-game portraits, and Kaneko just did the key characters, I think. Kind of like IS/EP.


    And the let's play I refer to also breaks down the gist of what's going on in the plot.
    www.gamespite.net/talkingtime/showthread.php?t=5082

    No mercy in terms of spoilers, fair warning.

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