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Car Troubles

TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
edited April 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey, H/A!

Last week, my car's temp gauge went way into the red. It's a '93 Honda Civic Del Sol. I checked the coolant reservoir, and it was still full (just got oil changed/fluids topped up a few weeks ago). At this point, I was hearing that it would likely be the water pump or the thermostat.

I took it to a guy, who couldn't get it to overheat. Said the radiator was short over a gallon in coolant. He pressurized the system, left it overnight, and then when he started it up, it sounded awful. He told me (and I've observed) that coolant will bubble out of the reservoir. His explanation is that there's a problem with one of the cylinders causing exhaust to get pumped into the radiator, bubbling out through the reservoir and pushing coolant out of the system. His prognosis was that I'd have to either replace the engine or take the cylinder head to a machine shop and they could tell me if it was a gasket or something else.

Basically, I'm looking for a second opinion before I go get a second opinion. I don't know a whole lot about cars, so any input will be appreciated.

Thanks!

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    How much did he say the head would cost you, and how much do you like the car? Because if there's exhaust pushing coolant out of the reservoir, it's the head gasket at the very least.

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  • EffefEffef Who said your opinion mattered, Jones? Registered User regular
    Sounds like the head gasket went, bubbled the coolant, and it overheated which probably warped the head and made everything worse. Head gaskets are a common problem on high mileage or hard used honda 4 cylinders.

    You might not have to replace the engine if it didn't overheat too badly, but it sounds like the head is at least warped which is not cheap to fix. Depending on how much you like the car/how old it is/how expensive it is to fix id start looking for alternatives.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    Ffffff, ok. I just put a clutch in the thing, along with a lot of other odds and ends.

    The engine didn't cut out due to the heat or anything, I just saw it was running hot and I pulled over. In any case, I'm still looking at buying another car unless there's a way to get this fixed for <$500ish

  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    If you know people and/or could do it yourself, it's conceivable that you could do it for that price. Maybe even doing a complete engine swap might be cheaper than trying to fix the head.
    However, if you can't, it's probably best to just get rid of it and get something new.

  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    Just drove it home from work (about 30 minutes). It was idling kind of rough by the last intersection, and when I got it home and popped the hood, there was definitely coolant all up on the reservoir and the reservoir was over the max fill line.

    So, no chance this could be something easy like a thermostat? :p

  • EffefEffef Who said your opinion mattered, Jones? Registered User regular
    No. And i really wouldn't be driving it if you have a choice.

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  • punkpunk Professional Network Nerd Phoenix, AZRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I can second/third/fourth the head gasket theory. Especially if there is any oil mixed in with your coolant. Headgasket would be somewhere between $75-150, which I'm pulling almost completely out of my ass from memory. Gasket kits are usually available and include just about every piece of rubber conceivably possible for your particular make/model. Some people like to do a whole gasket-related overhaul if they've already ripped half the engine apart.

    Also a great time to do a timing belt and water pump replacement if you're due for one.

    I did a replacement on my old '97 Dodge Neon years ago and was in it for a couple hundred bucks, but that was the kit, sealant, belts and water pump. A buddy of mine helped me out, took several hours.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    did they notice a milky oil, that is the headgasket. could just be he has a cracked coolant tube or radiator

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  • teola1952teola1952 Registered User new member
    My car starts right up when the temp is above freezing. wen the temp gets below freezing i have to start my car every three hours if i don't my car will initially start then will cut off after about 1o seconds and will not start until the temps gets above freezing again..

  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    So a 93 model year car is over 20 years old now. Crazy right? I'd run the numbers for yourself and see what a new Civic (or corolla, or whatever you like) might cost. It sounds like there's going to be a number of issues with the car you've got now, so just do the math before you pay for repairs.

    For what its worth, we got a 2014 Corolla about 6 months ago for 21k, and you can probably do better than that if you do some legwork (and definitely if you get less options!)

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Sounds like it could just be a head gasket if you're lucky. Thankfully, the D16 is a SOHC motor (with VTEC, yo!) and is dead simple to pop the head off of for a mechanic.

    Do you know a reputable garage/mechanic? If not, do you have any tools of your own and the fortitude to tear the top of your engine off in your garage?

    Because you can pop the head yourself fairly easily and see if it is just the head gasket or a crack in a cylinder/combustion chamber, and also check if the head is warped with a steel ruler and some feeler gauges.
    In the case of damage worse than a head-gasket, you then ring up mechanics asking if they want a Del Sol. Mechanics buy cheap cars with things they know how to fix wrong with them, fix them up cheaply, and then drive them for a decade or so until they die and repeat the whole process over again.

  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    Sounds like it could just be a head gasket if you're lucky. Thankfully, the D16 is a SOHC motor (with VTEC, yo!) and is dead simple to pop the head off of for a mechanic.

    Do you know a reputable garage/mechanic? If not, do you have any tools of your own and the fortitude to tear the top of your engine off in your garage?

    Because you can pop the head yourself fairly easily and see if it is just the head gasket or a crack in a cylinder/combustion chamber, and also check if the head is warped with a steel ruler and some feeler gauges.
    In the case of damage worse than a head-gasket, you then ring up mechanics asking if they want a Del Sol. Mechanics buy cheap cars with things they know how to fix wrong with them, fix them up cheaply, and then drive them for a decade or so until they die and repeat the whole process over again.

    Keeping in mind that if he does "pop the top off" he is putting a new head gasket in regardless if that was the issue or not (assuming he still wants to use the car).

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    If he's been driving it around for the past two years with no problems he's fine =)

    (the date caught me too)

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    iRevert wrote: »
    Sounds like it could just be a head gasket if you're lucky. Thankfully, the D16 is a SOHC motor (with VTEC, yo!) and is dead simple to pop the head off of for a mechanic.

    Do you know a reputable garage/mechanic? If not, do you have any tools of your own and the fortitude to tear the top of your engine off in your garage?

    Because you can pop the head yourself fairly easily and see if it is just the head gasket or a crack in a cylinder/combustion chamber, and also check if the head is warped with a steel ruler and some feeler gauges.
    In the case of damage worse than a head-gasket, you then ring up mechanics asking if they want a Del Sol. Mechanics buy cheap cars with things they know how to fix wrong with them, fix them up cheaply, and then drive them for a decade or so until they die and repeat the whole process over again.

    Keeping in mind that if he does "pop the top off" he is putting a new head gasket in regardless if that was the issue or not (assuming he still wants to use the car).

    Combustion gases getting into the cooling system is cylinder head off no matter what.

  • badpoetbadpoet Registered User regular
    Yep, even a short amount of time at high heat can warp a cylinder head. Regardless, you're going to need a new gasket and (possibly) a new (or used) head, depending on what it looks like.

  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    iRevert wrote: »
    Sounds like it could just be a head gasket if you're lucky. Thankfully, the D16 is a SOHC motor (with VTEC, yo!) and is dead simple to pop the head off of for a mechanic.

    Do you know a reputable garage/mechanic? If not, do you have any tools of your own and the fortitude to tear the top of your engine off in your garage?

    Because you can pop the head yourself fairly easily and see if it is just the head gasket or a crack in a cylinder/combustion chamber, and also check if the head is warped with a steel ruler and some feeler gauges.
    In the case of damage worse than a head-gasket, you then ring up mechanics asking if they want a Del Sol. Mechanics buy cheap cars with things they know how to fix wrong with them, fix them up cheaply, and then drive them for a decade or so until they die and repeat the whole process over again.

    Keeping in mind that if he does "pop the top off" he is putting a new head gasket in regardless if that was the issue or not (assuming he still wants to use the car).

    Combustion gases getting into the cooling system is cylinder head off no matter what.

    Yep but the part of starting it up and "it sounding awful" makes me think there's more going on beyond a headgasket.

    Also my post was about if he was going to attempt to pop the top himself and not a mechanic, with a car this age/mileage and the fact you're opening it up you will want/need to replace the gasket before you seal it back up (assuming you found the issue/fixed it/wanted to keep the car). If he took the top off and the block was cracked and he was going to junk it/scrap it for parts then no new gasket)

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