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Using a Lifeline pendant while black is punishable by death.[Chamberlain]
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Ze Pollack wrote:So, funny story.
On November 19, 2011, a 68-year-old ex-marine named Kenneth Chamberlain rolled over and accidentally activated his medical alert bracelet. A signal was sent out to dispatchers.
An hour later, Kenneth Chamberlain had been shot twice by a police officer responding. Tragically, all police recordings of the event were either turned off before the shooting or mysteriously lost. What are the odds, right?
But Chamberlain's LifeAid device was still recording.
And now, the punchline. Turns out the shooter had been brought up on charges before for an incident in 2008 when he'd been involved in the beating of a bunch of (as the officer in question described them) ragheads.
Sure is a good thing the police department made sure he was still able to Protect And Serve while investigations were ongoing. Can you imagine the elderly black men who would have gone unmurdered if they hadn't?
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http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/09/marine-new-york-police-kenneth-chamberlain?cat=world&type=article
So the grand jury cleared the officer of all charges citing lack of evidence.
Neighbors listening through closed doors say chamberlain did not want to let the officers in and ensured them he was fine. Officers did not appreciate this and eventually forced themselves into the apartment. That is when chamberlain was killed after being tasered, shot with beanbags, and ultimately real bullets.
Is the assumption that this could be pushed in the case of an attack?
When the alarm went off a lifeline rep used a special intercom to try to communicate with chamberlain who did not respond. Emts were sent with police escort.
Snopes has a decent breakdown.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/chamberlain.asp
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You haven't visited the Treyvon Martin / George Zimmerman thread, I see.
It is if you're carrying a badge.
And sometimes if you're not.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
What reason did the court cite for aquitting them? I really have to think theres something been left out of the story here. Otherwise the court straight up legalised murder.
"The former Marine shot by cops in his apartment died from a single bullet that entered his right arm and ripped through both lungs, according to an autopsy report obtained by the Daily News."
Autopsy says unlikely, as well as the audio indicating that this went sideways well before any weapons were drawn. In addition, the bullet was after being shot with a taser and a beanbag. If you have time to switch weapons multiple times, I have trouble believing the man was an imminent threat. Why the fuck did they even have the beanbag on them? Isn't that a riot control weapon you bust out of the car? Do pistols fire them now, or do we bring shotguns on medical calls?
The entire story stinks. And only slightly related: there should be automatic prosecution of any police officers on duty/in maintenance for loss or damage of police recordings. Overly harsh, sure (shit happens), but there's a current issue where the tapes are always available when they justify police actions, and always mysteriously not working when there is a question about police misbehavior.
They seriously let the police get off with switching their recording equipment off and killing a dude?
And why the fuck does the guy being a former marine matter jack shit?
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Oh, and fuck the police.
Because as well as making disparaging remarks about his race, they made disparaging remarks about his service. At least from the article I read.
Judging from the Marines I've known, that's like disrespecting somebody's religion.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
If I need help I will take a Marine any day of the week, and I say that as an Army veteran.
Just... make sure you give them clear instructions.
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maybe if he hadn't something something something they wouldn't have had to shoot him!
I'll fill that in later with whatever thing it is I'm sure justifies being killed. Anyway the point is cops are super great already and don't need any help so stop grousing you dang kids.
So basically this old dude with medical problems flew into a murderous rage for no apparent reason, and transformed into Terminator and the cops were lucky to escape with their lives from his onslaught? Glad we cleared that up. :P
Honestly, I can't really think of a justification for the police to be on scene in the first place, since it's not like they are trained paramedics, or should be responding to medical emergencies anyhow. I wouldn't send Animal Control to put out a fire.
It's not like EMT is exactly a highly specialized title. The training isn't easy, but it is only 150 hours or so, you can do it in one semester at a community college.
My issue with that version of events is actually the beanbags. Because from my recollection, they're only fired from shotguns, not pistols. (correct me if I'm out of date, there)
Which would mean they responded to an EMT call with shotguns? Like, I'd maybe possibly see "we broke in after arguing, were scared, and tased him", because a taser is something they had on them. But a shotgun means they went back down to their car and got the fucking thing.
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The sad thing is that he knew that they were going to kill him.
"You see Sir I had to shoot him, he was trying to kill himself"
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It's against the rules to use that word.
Even if you are just quoting someone else @Delphinidaes
Rarely ever will the police respond to a LifeLine/LifeAlert call. If the LifeAlert dispatcher doesn't hear anything on the other end, they still notify EMS, however most EMS agencies will send an ambulance non-emergency to any medical alarm activation where nothing is heard on the intercom (if equipped). If it's not equipped, they have a call-back number that they will use to contact the person. If they hear someone on the other end saying anything or making noises they will typically upgrade the incoming ambulance units to come to the residence emergency traffic.
The reason they initially send a medic unit non-emergency is because they get activated so often by accident. In this case it was rolling over in bed. In other cases it is pets or the alarm simply malfunctions. In older alarm systems, such as those installed in non-assisted living facilities, they can randomly go off. Most EMS systems have decided that the risk of sending a medic unit emergency traffic outweighs the literal tens of seconds you save by traveling emergency vs. non-emergency.
Also; most dispatch centers do not send police with EMS unless they hear/suspect something suspicious.
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