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[TRENCHES] Thursday, May 17, 2012 - Reticence

GethGeth LegionPerseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
edited May 2012 in The Penny Arcade Hub
Reticence


Reticence
http://trenchescomic.com/comic/post/reticence

We can test… IN OUR MINDS.

Anonymous

A building on our block burned down. The power was out for two days because of this, yet we were still expected to report for work. We sat in a powerless room, unable to test whatsoever, because “we have to show production we’re taking this seriously.”

When one supervisor finally showed some sanity and let us leave, production hit the roof and started screaming about how “QA does NOT get two days off a week.”


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  • FulgoreFulgore Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    When did he dye his hair into a darker brown?
    Also, I hope he finds the mole.

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  • kingworkskingworks Registered User regular
    M/Rarely appears to have a smile I can only assume is devious.

    Possibly mischevious.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    I assume Gabe drew this one?

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Fulgore wrote: »
    When did he dye his hair into a darker brown?
    Also, I hope he finds the mole.

    Issac has entered investigation mode. His darker color scheme is a result of his focus.

    Or they altered the lighting to make it seem like this was a serious thing.

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  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    Isaac is not a good person. Neither is Gabe, but he's so much funnier while being horrible.

  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    That story sounds like paid vacation to me, go to work, log "console refuses to turn on" report every hour or so, goof off.

  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    That story sounds like paid vacation to me, go to work, log "console refuses to turn on" report every hour or so, goof off.
    There is only so much you can do in a room without electricity before you get bored assuming they don't let you read a book or something similar.

  • BursarBursar Hee Noooo! PDX areaRegistered User regular
    I like to think that a company that is so uptight about scheduling like that keeps their QA in a windowless room. If the building had no power, what the heck was production doing?

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  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    Neaden wrote: »
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    That story sounds like paid vacation to me, go to work, log "console refuses to turn on" report every hour or so, goof off.
    There is only so much you can do in a room without electricity before you get bored assuming they don't let you read a book or something similar.

    Slow days are the worst days.

  • theResetButtontheResetButton Registered User regular
    Neaden wrote: »
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    That story sounds like paid vacation to me, go to work, log "console refuses to turn on" report every hour or so, goof off.
    There is only so much you can do in a room without electricity before you get bored assuming they don't let you read a book or something similar.
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  • FramlingFramling FaceHead Geebs has bad ideas.Registered User regular
    Bursar wrote: »
    I like to think that a company that is so uptight about scheduling like that keeps their QA in a windowless room. If the building had no power, what the heck was production doing?

    What happens in the QA dungeon, stays in the QA dungeon.

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    your = belonging to you

    their = belonging to them
    there = not here
    they're = they are
  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    Bursar wrote: »
    I like to think that a company that is so uptight about scheduling like that keeps their QA in a windowless room. If the building had no power, what the heck was production doing?

    Why think that QA and production were located at the same site? Perhaps production was somewhere that still had full power.

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Sticks wrote: »
    Isaac is not a good person.

    What grievous sin has he committed this time, exactly?

    Anyway, at least now we know for sure there are still other people in QA besides the core cast.

  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    That was a general comment on the character. I don't think he's committed any "grievous sins" that we are aware of as the audience. He just....doesn't come across as a very good person to me.

    Can't really put a finger on why. Probably something about the combination of semi-dickish behavior with not being exceptionally funny or sympathetic.

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    He is supposed to be a bit of an arrogant dick who is slowly, painfully reforming and learning to be a more decent person through the crucible of his reduced life circumstances and unglamorous new job. This has pretty clearly been set up as one of the long-term themes of the comic, although some readers (not referring to anybody specific here), perhaps conditioned by Penny Arcade - where "continuity" is almost literally a dirty word - appear to be almost allergic to any sort of long-term narrative arc or character development.

    Seems like half the Trenches new comic threads have people acting like Isaac's hobby is drowning puppies.

  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    I have no problem with continuity, thought I find it hard to follow all of the details when they are doled out this slowly. Perhaps rereading the whole series to this point would help, but you just stated that he is supposed to be an arrogant dick...which in my mind is kinda the opposite of a good person. I mean they aren't mutually exclusive, but one can be a pretty good indication of (the lack of) the other.

    So my assessment stands... for now.

  • FramlingFramling FaceHead Geebs has bad ideas.Registered User regular
    Main characters that are always 100% good people are boring and unrelatable.

    Main characters who have flaws and sometimes do the wrong thing are interesting and relatable.

    you're = you are
    your = belonging to you

    their = belonging to them
    there = not here
    they're = they are
  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    What Framling said.

    Although I might have to make an exception for Jack Bauer, because he did everything for freedom.

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    if anyone gave me that panel three look, I would confess to shooting Kennedy, Pearl Harbor, and not replacing the coffee after finishing the last cup

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    That story makes me sad because I can imagine it happening easily. Woe is me, people high up corporate ladders are retarded and awful. D:

  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    Framling wrote: »
    Main characters that are always 100% good people are boring and unrelatable.

    Main characters who have flaws and sometimes do the wrong thing are interesting and relatable.

    I don't disagree, but I've yet to see any redeeming qualities whatsoever from him.

  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Wrong thread!

    On topic, I do like the backgrounds in this one a lot.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Sticks wrote: »
    Framling wrote: »
    Main characters that are always 100% good people are boring and unrelatable.

    Main characters who have flaws and sometimes do the wrong thing are interesting and relatable.

    I don't disagree, but I've yet to see any redeeming qualities whatsoever from him.

    Give me a break. He tried to stop Credenza from firing somebody to make room for him, and talked him out of firing Frank, who clearly desperately needed a job. He tried to find a way to save Marley from getting fired, even though he kinda deserved it for delegating his tasks to The Snuffler (of course, he didn't succeed, and it turned out not to make much of a difference anyway, but that isn't the point). He clearly has some compassion for the people around him, and that's growing as he comes to identify more with the team. He's no saint, but he's a decent human being, I'd say pretty close to average actually, though you may have a more optimistic view of humanity in general than I do.

    Now what exactly has he done that makes him such a terrible person? Make a lame "Jewgle" pun? Exploit the Fuckworld glitch to get pimped-out gear because he didn't stop to think about the long-term effect on the game economy? Well, I'd say he has already at least attained the Caligula/Nero tier of historical monsters, and there may even be a case for promoting him to the Hitler/Stalin/Mao level!

    In all seriousness, probably the biggest dick moment we've seen from him was this comic, which is definitely shitty behavior on his part and frustrated me at the time as it seemed like too big a backslide in character development, but does make some sense as a temporary relapse when you consider Isaac's narrative arc so far. He's a guy who's still fairly young who had a fun, glamorous (at least to him) job where he made a good amount of money. As a result, he's a little arrogant and self-absorbed, as many people with that lot in life would end up being. Suddenly everything fell apart (we still don't know the exact circumstances) and now he's having to get by in a much less cushy situation that he thinks is sortof beneath him. And as one would expect, he struggles and he doesn't always behave in an exemplary fashion, but he's adjusting and forming a better relationship with the people he's stuck with, and that's really what the comic is all about as much as anything else.

    Even in the current "mole hunt" arc (which I concede, whatever else you may say about it, is not nearly as entertaining as the mole hunt they had at ISIS), it's true that he's trying to cover his own ass because he short-sightedly exploited the Fuckworld glitch and being fairly jerky and inept in the way he goes about it. But we also need to remember that the mole, whoever they are, is (probably) violating their NDA and is also screwing over everybody else in QA by making management freak out and forbid them from using their computers or doing any actual work. Isaac is not the villain here, even if we may roll our eyes (like Cora) at the way it took a personal threat to make Isaac care about what's going on.

    Trenches is, in the end, a "workplace comedy." I'm going to bet that most of us who've reached the age I am guessing Isaac is in the comic (mid to late 20's) have had to work with multiple people who were inexpressibly bigger dicks than Isaac. I know I have. If you haven't, count yourself in the fortunate minority.

    I dare say that there is a not insignificant chance that most of us have, at least at one point or another, been as big a dick as Isaac at one of our jobs.

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  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    You've clearly put waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-



    aaaaaaaaaaaay more thought into this than I have. Sorry if my offhand comments about not liking a character offend. I think 90% of it comes down to him not be very funny to me. A character could be the absolute embodiment of "unrepentant asshole," and I don't think I would mind if he/she also was amusing enough.

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Sticks wrote: »
    You've clearly put waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-



    aaaaaaaaaaaay more thought into this than I have. Sorry if my offhand comments about not liking a character offend. I think 90% of it comes down to him not be very funny to me. A character could be the absolute embodiment of "unrepentant asshole," and I don't think I would mind if he/she also was amusing enough.

    It did not offend and it is not just you. As I said, it seems like almost every new comic thread there are people (unless its just been you every time, I haven't kept track :P) acting like Isaac assraped their mom even when his actions in the comic are completely innocuous, and I can't figure out where it comes from and that starts to irritate me after a while, which is why I questioned you on it.

    It seems like most people who feel this way haven't put much thought into it (no offense), or in some cases aren't even paying attention to what's actually going on in the comic at all (like one guy early on last fall who somehow had the idea this is Isaac's first job :/).

  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    That is a wonderful post Gaslight and for the most part, it covers my own opinion of Issac pretty well.

    I personally like that he is somewhat dislikeable (but not completely unlikeable) because I think it makes him a more interesting character then someone who is completely altruistic at all times. Issac is kind of like Gregory House, only his handicap isn't a physical one, its something of a "bird with its wings clipped" scenario. He was flying before but now has to walk amongst those who existed beneath him for so long. Yeah he is going to be a bit pessimistic, the guy is down on his luck. But he isn't a terrible guy either, and the longer the comic goes on the more that becomes evident.

    House is a lot like that because he often puts up a front to maintain how people view him. He wants everyone to think that he doesn't care about the patient, he likes to say "everybody lies" a lot and verbally abuse people for his own amusement. But, when push comes to shove, he has done a number of things over time that are highly illegal for the benefit of a patient in dire need of help that the hospital wouldn't have provided otherwise due to policies that they have in place to protect themselves. He also cares about Wilson a good deal, even if he doesn't act like it. Similarly, you can tell Issac cares about Cora, Rarley, and the rest of the cast. He is just a bit self centered at times because he is only human and he was at the top looking down just before.

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  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    I just reread from the beginning. It looks like the problem isn't that he's all that bad. I just don't like him.

    The comic is much better in large chunks though, I'll give it that.

  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    I love Isaac's style. It's the perfect combination of straightforward, enthusiastic, misguided, and slightly arrogant. But it's the honestly that pulls it all together. If he was a bitterly sarcastic type I think he'd be unbearable, but his unedited and direct style of voice really grounds the character

    also he's frequently adorable

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Sticks wrote: »
    The comic is much better in large chunks though, I'll give it that.

    It's like PvP in that regard, and/or possibly Dilbert. It's very low-key, especially contrasted on alternating weekdays with PA. It's a slow burn. Well actually the word "burn" may imply too much intensity. Slow simmer? If it seems drab or mundane, that is because its subject matter and the environment it's depicting are fundamentally drab and mundane as well, occasional detours into the mildly surreal such as Mr. Toots notwithstanding. It rarely produces hilarious laugh out loud moments, and I don't think it usually tries to. It's designed to be checked in on two days a week, reacted to with a bemused smirk or small chuckle and then rarely thought about until the next installment, proceeding at its own pace, deliberately, methodically, tranquilly, and over time as you get to know the comic and its characters better you appreciate it for what it is more and more. And when you have the opportunity to absorb a large amount of it in one sitting, rather than in carefully measured regular doses, its impact increases exponentially.

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  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    Its weird, I don't care at all for PVP and find it rather . . . boring, but I am a huge fan of everything he has does with the Kris and Scott’s Scott and Kris Show, Blamimations, and The Trenches, as well as his appearances in Penny Arcade: The Series.

    I think its simply that he works a lot better when he is collaborating with other people, as he has someone else to bounce his wit and other ideas off of and gives his sense of humor a chance to really shine. (Sorry for the initial comment Scott, I still love you!)

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    PVP's Scott's version of a newspaper comic essentially and he tries to keep it relatively sanitized, so that's probably why you find it boring but find Scott funny outside of it.

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