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Without Law and Order, there is only [Suits]
Munkus Beaver
You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
Ok guys. Let's face it. I love good legal shows and movies. The original Law and Order, Anatomy of a Murder, The Verdict, My Cousin Vinny.
Not that dogshit legal stuff like on Law and Order: SVU or the last season of Law and Order.
And with the good Law & Order relegated to reruns, I needed something to replace ol' Jack McCoy.
Enter: Suits
I like this show for a couple of reasons. Snappy dialogue. Actual problems that get solved with believable (and predictable, if you know the law) twists and turns along the way. The show is smart enough to have the characters be important, with a heavy focus on witty dialogue and believable storylines. Well, for the most part.
As an actual licensed attorney, there are a few beefs I have with the show. I'll put them behind a spoiler to save those that don't care.
Some episodes from the first season are up on Hulu, new season starts next month.
Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention. Screwing up in a law firm setting is about %3000 scarier and more intense than they make it out to be.
Not that dogshit legal stuff like on Law and Order: SVU or the last season of Law and Order.
And with the good Law & Order relegated to reruns, I needed something to replace ol' Jack McCoy.
Enter: Suits
I like this show for a couple of reasons. Snappy dialogue. Actual problems that get solved with believable (and predictable, if you know the law) twists and turns along the way. The show is smart enough to have the characters be important, with a heavy focus on witty dialogue and believable storylines. Well, for the most part.
As an actual licensed attorney, there are a few beefs I have with the show. I'll put them behind a spoiler to save those that don't care.
Cases get finished in a week. Fuck you. No. They do not get finished in a week. Certainly not multimillion dollar cases. Cases for $100,000 will go on for years, cases for much much more are gonna get drawn out a LONG ass time. But hey, they gotta make a show so this part slides. Still kinda breaks my brain when they have a deposition scheduled two days before trial. No, fuck you, that does not happen.
OH MAN, THIS GUY DOESN'T HAVE A LAW SCHOOL DEGREE. Who. The. Fuck. Cares. He passed the bar in the state of New York. Now, I was pretty sure that you had to have a degree from an acredited law school to pass the bar in New York, because you do in Alabama, but it could be like California and let any Tom, Dick, or Mary Sue be involved. If he passed the bar and does exceptional work, it really means jack shit if he has a degree or not. It's a "lying on the resume" sort of sin, but it's completely legal and above board.
It also bothers me that Mike Ross can't get into law school because he cheated on an exam in college, but yet somehow got approved by the New York bar Ethics Committee to sit for the bar. Applying for the bar is not something you sign up for a week before deadline on a bet. It's a three day hellish nightmare that generally requires you to apply for it roughly four months before you take it. The application process is incredibly extensive, and you have to disclose any and all evidence of your impropriety.
Basically, the 'hook' is silly. Kinda like how in Pysch nobody gives a shit anymore about whether Spencer is actually psychic or not
OH MAN, THIS GUY DOESN'T HAVE A LAW SCHOOL DEGREE. Who. The. Fuck. Cares. He passed the bar in the state of New York. Now, I was pretty sure that you had to have a degree from an acredited law school to pass the bar in New York, because you do in Alabama, but it could be like California and let any Tom, Dick, or Mary Sue be involved. If he passed the bar and does exceptional work, it really means jack shit if he has a degree or not. It's a "lying on the resume" sort of sin, but it's completely legal and above board.
It also bothers me that Mike Ross can't get into law school because he cheated on an exam in college, but yet somehow got approved by the New York bar Ethics Committee to sit for the bar. Applying for the bar is not something you sign up for a week before deadline on a bet. It's a three day hellish nightmare that generally requires you to apply for it roughly four months before you take it. The application process is incredibly extensive, and you have to disclose any and all evidence of your impropriety.
Basically, the 'hook' is silly. Kinda like how in Pysch nobody gives a shit anymore about whether Spencer is actually psychic or not
Some episodes from the first season are up on Hulu, new season starts next month.
Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention. Screwing up in a law firm setting is about %3000 scarier and more intense than they make it out to be.
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i want to be Harvey Specter, even his name is cool
i thought the degree thing was because the firm only hires Harvard grads so he'd be fired regardless of his bar status
btw best legal movie is the new True Grit
Satans..... hints.....
Satans..... hints.....
The... western?
Care to explain?
the trial in the beginning, the girl threatening litigation, the difference between malum in se and malum prohibitum, Daniels on Negotiable Instruments, and some other things i'm forgetting
and then it's a great movie on top of all that
Me too.
And furthermore.
I thought you made the thread.
Steam: Chagrin LoL: Bonhomie
It gets my Almost An Attorney Seal of Approval.
Coran Attack!
And super excited for the season premiere tonight.
The ad posters with the two of them walking side by side in B&W had me thinking it was some sort of Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde, esq. type thing
because they look exactly the same, except one of them has a red tie
I'm assuming Red Tie is the cool one
me too, I had some questions...
doesn't matter if you pay it back
but artistic license and all that
Me: "Holy shit."
man anything with a little bit of politicking is like Game of Thrones to you
Grandma Ross is Doran Martell, calling it now.
Yeah, I also flinched when he said he could be convicted for stealing.
Man, you a lawyer talkin to a law firm. Bitches know what embezzlement is.
The show is great on actual legal issues most of the time, excepting the time frame.
And @Yaya
Law and Order: SVU is a cop drama. It is a terrible legal show. The original law and order split the cop drama from the legal show usually 50:50 or 40:60. It's what made it work.
Aside from getting the law right, Suits has incredible writing. Lots of snippy back and forth shit.
"We're at a funeral and you're quoting Highlander?"
"Seemed appropriate. A lot of people died in that film."
Ahahahaha, yes this.
"If only. Rats of the sea."
Franklin & Bash is pretty funny but plays pretty loose with any legal aspects within it. It is carried by the two main stars who have really good chemistry with themselves and any other character though. Basically it is Zack Morris as a lawyer.
Damages though? You should watch it. Very good writing, acting, everything. And each season is just one case which doesn't even reach trail.
Hands down.
This show is alright. I think I am gonna keep up with it, despite itself. I love USA and a lot of the shows it has had over the years though.
The first three seasons are on Netflix, with each season around 13 episodes long.
I'm about half-way through season two.
And I'm fairly sure you'll be hooked after the first episode if only because of how good Glenn Close is in it.
Oh that's easy. They made McCoy into the DA instead of the ADA. They turned it into more of a cop drama than a legal show. The new detectives were garbage. They made the characters backstories into critical dramatic moments of the show rather than part and parcel to the intrigue of the divisive issue that really caught your eye. When this would happen in the old series, it would feel more natural and part of the 'ripped from the headlines' bit, but even so those episodes tended to be weaker.
Also they changed directors or at least the directing style and it look like garbage.
So all in all I never watch the last two seasons. With Lupo and Whathisface as the dicks and WishesHeWasMcCoy as DA. I saw about four episodes and then I went "Nope, if you're on reruns on TNT I am turning you off."
And I'll even watch the original run, with the Pussy ADA who quit when a witness died or something. And his baby detective, the guy from Sex and the City.
When Lenny and McCoy got on the show, it was all Aces
i probably haven't seen them all but there's no L&O that i would turn off/not watch if it's on
yeah i think they did a pretty good job with copyright and how you could bully that author