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Without Law and Order, there is only [Suits]

Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
edited May 2012 in Social Entropy++
Ok guys. Let's face it. I love good legal shows and movies. The original Law and Order, Anatomy of a Murder, The Verdict, My Cousin Vinny.

Not that dogshit legal stuff like on Law and Order: SVU or the last season of Law and Order.

And with the good Law & Order relegated to reruns, I needed something to replace ol' Jack McCoy.

Enter: Suits

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I like this show for a couple of reasons. Snappy dialogue. Actual problems that get solved with believable (and predictable, if you know the law) twists and turns along the way. The show is smart enough to have the characters be important, with a heavy focus on witty dialogue and believable storylines. Well, for the most part.

As an actual licensed attorney, there are a few beefs I have with the show. I'll put them behind a spoiler to save those that don't care.
Cases get finished in a week. Fuck you. No. They do not get finished in a week. Certainly not multimillion dollar cases. Cases for $100,000 will go on for years, cases for much much more are gonna get drawn out a LONG ass time. But hey, they gotta make a show so this part slides. Still kinda breaks my brain when they have a deposition scheduled two days before trial. No, fuck you, that does not happen.

OH MAN, THIS GUY DOESN'T HAVE A LAW SCHOOL DEGREE. Who. The. Fuck. Cares. He passed the bar in the state of New York. Now, I was pretty sure that you had to have a degree from an acredited law school to pass the bar in New York, because you do in Alabama, but it could be like California and let any Tom, Dick, or Mary Sue be involved. If he passed the bar and does exceptional work, it really means jack shit if he has a degree or not. It's a "lying on the resume" sort of sin, but it's completely legal and above board.

It also bothers me that Mike Ross can't get into law school because he cheated on an exam in college, but yet somehow got approved by the New York bar Ethics Committee to sit for the bar. Applying for the bar is not something you sign up for a week before deadline on a bet. It's a three day hellish nightmare that generally requires you to apply for it roughly four months before you take it. The application process is incredibly extensive, and you have to disclose any and all evidence of your impropriety.

Basically, the 'hook' is silly. Kinda like how in Pysch nobody gives a shit anymore about whether Spencer is actually psychic or not

Some episodes from the first season are up on Hulu, new season starts next month.

Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention. Screwing up in a law firm setting is about %3000 scarier and more intense than they make it out to be.

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    love this show

    i want to be Harvey Specter, even his name is cool

    i thought the degree thing was because the firm only hires Harvard grads so he'd be fired regardless of his bar status

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    what the fuck did you say about SVU

  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    look SVU might be a good drama but it's not a good legal show

    btw best legal movie is the new True Grit

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    I thought this thread was actually about suits.

  • ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    look SVU might be a good drama but it's not a good legal show

    btw best legal movie is the new True Grit

    The... western?

    Care to explain?

  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    Svu is a piece of crap

  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    is this the show with the two white guys that look the same

  • TamTam Registered User regular
    Dennis Duffy and Sheldon Cooper fight crime

  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    look SVU might be a good drama but it's not a good legal show

    btw best legal movie is the new True Grit

    The... western?

    Care to explain?

    the trial in the beginning, the girl threatening litigation, the difference between malum in se and malum prohibitum, Daniels on Negotiable Instruments, and some other things i'm forgetting

    and then it's a great movie on top of all that

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  • PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    I like this show a lot and it has a great intro song. Donna is the best.

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  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    Blake T wrote: »
    I thought this thread was actually about suits.

    Me too.

    And furthermore.

    I thought you made the thread.

    "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde
    Real strong, facetious.

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
  • PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
  • Evil_ReaverEvil_Reaver Registered User regular
    This is the best lawyer show on television.

    It gets my Almost An Attorney Seal of Approval.

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  • BedigunzBedigunz Registered User regular
    Holy shit did anyone watch the season finale of Law and Order SVU last night?
    Cragen in bed with a dead hooker from Outsourced. Oh shit!

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    I can't wait for Asshole Lawyer Weekly to start back up. I love this show, even if pretty much every character is a giant douchebag (but especially Louis).

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  • the wookthe wook Registered User regular
    I missed the first season of this when it originally aired. Thankfully USA was awesome and aired every episode of Season 1 over the last few months so I'm totally caught up.

    And super excited for the season premiere tonight.

  • Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    is this the show with the two white guys that look the same

    The ad posters with the two of them walking side by side in B&W had me thinking it was some sort of Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde, esq. type thing

    because they look exactly the same, except one of them has a red tie

    I'm assuming Red Tie is the cool one

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Blake T wrote: »
    I thought this thread was actually about suits.

    me too, I had some questions...

  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    oh snap!

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    man they can deal with that new guy easy peasy
    touching the clients' money is one way ticket to disbarment

    doesn't matter if you pay it back

    but artistic license and all that

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    Suits: "Black don't crack."

    Me: "Holy shit."

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Louis's quote about seals was great

    Ubik on
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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    this episode was like Game of Thrones within a law firm

    Ubik on
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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    this episode was like Game of Thrones within a law firm

    man anything with a little bit of politicking is like Game of Thrones to you

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    this episode was like Game of Thrones within a law firm

    Grandma Ross is Doran Martell, calling it now.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    man they can deal with that new guy easy peasy
    touching the clients' money is one way ticket to disbarment

    doesn't matter if you pay it back

    but artistic license and all that

    Yeah, I also flinched when he said he could be convicted for stealing.

    Man, you a lawyer talkin to a law firm. Bitches know what embezzlement is.

    The show is great on actual legal issues most of the time, excepting the time frame.

    And @Yaya

    Law and Order: SVU is a cop drama. It is a terrible legal show. The original law and order split the cop drama from the legal show usually 50:50 or 40:60. It's what made it work.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    @Munkus Beaver, what do you think of other legal shows like Franklin & Bash or Damages?

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Also, why didn't you enjoy the last season of Law & Order?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Haven't seen either one of those. Franklin and Bash didn't look like a real legal show based on the previews, and Damages never caught my eye.

    Aside from getting the law right, Suits has incredible writing. Lots of snippy back and forth shit.

    "We're at a funeral and you're quoting Highlander?"
    "Seemed appropriate. A lot of people died in that film."

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2012
    Ubik wrote: »
    Louis's quote about seals was great

    Ahahahaha, yes this.
    "What are you up to Louis, clubbing baby seal?"
    "If only. Rats of the sea."

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Haven't seen either one of those. Franklin and Bash didn't look like a real legal show based on the previews, and Damages never caught my eye.

    Aside from getting the law right, Suits has incredible writing. Lots of snippy back and forth shit.

    "We're at a funeral and you're quoting Highlander?"
    "Seemed appropriate. A lot of people died in that film."

    Franklin & Bash is pretty funny but plays pretty loose with any legal aspects within it. It is carried by the two main stars who have really good chemistry with themselves and any other character though. Basically it is Zack Morris as a lawyer.

    Damages though? You should watch it. Very good writing, acting, everything. And each season is just one case which doesn't even reach trail.

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    The best lawyer show is It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

    Hands down.

    This show is alright. I think I am gonna keep up with it, despite itself. I love USA and a lot of the shows it has had over the years though.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    is damages on netflix? or hulu?

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I think it is on Netflix maybe.

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    is damages on netflix? or hulu?

    The first three seasons are on Netflix, with each season around 13 episodes long.

    I'm about half-way through season two.

    And I'm fairly sure you'll be hooked after the first episode if only because of how good Glenn Close is in it.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Also, why didn't you enjoy the last season of Law & Order?

    Oh that's easy. They made McCoy into the DA instead of the ADA. They turned it into more of a cop drama than a legal show. The new detectives were garbage. They made the characters backstories into critical dramatic moments of the show rather than part and parcel to the intrigue of the divisive issue that really caught your eye. When this would happen in the old series, it would feel more natural and part of the 'ripped from the headlines' bit, but even so those episodes tended to be weaker.

    Also they changed directors or at least the directing style and it look like garbage.

    So all in all I never watch the last two seasons. With Lupo and Whathisface as the dicks and WishesHeWasMcCoy as DA. I saw about four episodes and then I went "Nope, if you're on reruns on TNT I am turning you off."

    And I'll even watch the original run, with the Pussy ADA who quit when a witness died or something. And his baby detective, the guy from Sex and the City.

    When Lenny and McCoy got on the show, it was all Aces

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    i liked McCoy as DA

    i probably haven't seen them all but there's no L&O that i would turn off/not watch if it's on

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    man they can deal with that new guy easy peasy
    touching the clients' money is one way ticket to disbarment

    doesn't matter if you pay it back

    but artistic license and all that

    Yeah, I also flinched when he said he could be convicted for stealing.

    Man, you a lawyer talkin to a law firm. Bitches know what embezzlement is.

    The show is great on actual legal issues most of the time, excepting the time frame.

    yeah i think they did a pretty good job with copyright and how you could bully that author

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