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[POTUS Election Thread] Surfing on Vita Severn's big old dead tits all the way to November
Atomika
Live fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered User regular
Live fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered User regular
It's the new Presidential Election Thread! This man will be your guide.
Right-wing special interest groups, many from out of state, spent an estimated $44 million on Governor Scott Walker's recall defense; that's $14 million more than ALL campaign spending in Walker's initial contest. Democratic challenger Tom Barrett raised $3.9 million.
Right-wing special interest groups, many from out of state, spent an estimated $44 million on Governor Scott Walker's recall defense; that's $14 million more than ALL campaign spending in Walker's initial contest. Democratic challenger Tom Barrett raised $3.9 million.
"I think it was genuinely a big test case for can you take on the biggest special interest group - government unions - in one of their core states, Wisconsin, and win with a free market message? And Governor Walker proved that you can," he said.
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Time to invest in goat testes.
At least the music and literature that we got was better the last time.
Instead of Sidney Bechet and Gatsby, we have to settle for Rebecca Black and 50 Shades of Gray.
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
Although I think while the type of people on display are eerily similar, I have to think the motives of Fitzgerald and the Bravo Channel could not be more disparate.
Bravo is better. More tits.
I was thinking AMC, honestly.
Same rule: if the kid is for it, then you know it's a terrible idea.
Now I just want to see The Great Zomsbi.
Carl can play the green light at the end of the dock, which is nowhere near the fucking house.
People hated Walker but thought the recall was bullshit. And dems didn't put up a very good fight. And incumbency is a hell of a drug.
NPR says Obama is still up in general WI polling by 9% (he won by 14% in '08), and that one in ten people who voted to keep Walker also plan on voting for Obama this cycle.
Man, message control can make people think some crazy things. Also, Ross, your title used to be the same as my old one, I'm pretty sure. It might have been my sig.
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Yeah. Even with an electorate skewed by mountains of GOP money into a rightwing wet-dream, Obama lead in the exit polling by high single digits. Pubs can crow about their massive victory and its implications all they want, but they're going to get spanked in November unless something really dramatic happens.
The dumber parts of them thought it meant they were going to win the entire industrial midwest now.
In a related note, today was the best polling day for the President I think all year. Bunch of polls have him up 6/7 nationally, 4 in Florida, 12 in Pennsylvania.
Too bad it was buried by the "oh-so-liberal" media.
The primary didn't really cast Barrett in a particularly pro-union light (I think perhaps unfairly, but as I'm not a Wisconsin resident I didn't follow up too much on labor's gripes with him). The other effect of the primary was that it limited the amount of time that Barrett could effectively raise money. Even without Citizens United, it's almost inconceivable that Barrett would have been able to be financially competitive just because of the relative amount of time he could spend fundraising.
And on a basic human behavior level, I've always found that the hardest thing to do in politics -- and life in general -- is convincing someone to admit that he was wrong, which is basically what you're doing when you trot out the same challenger to take on the same incumbent after less than two years.
Unless you have a dead body or something, it's very hard to kick someone out of office. I would argue that in the whole this is a good thing.
Is it though? Historically, recalls work 66.6% of the time!
Grey Davis was ousted because of Enron people cant understand cause and effect the media is terrible at showing cause and effect.
And we're seeing it happen again with "pension reform" where cities have neglected to meet pension obligations because of a refusal to raise taxes/balance a budget and because of shitty investing/wall street meltdown.
Even after the bad jobs report? Nice.
https://gofund.me/fa5990a5
My city just passed pension reform, fucking retarded.
This is only if you look at recall elections and not efforts. In terms of efforts, it's only 50% for governors - two successes plus one impeachment with pending recall, vs. one failure and two failed attempts. It's not just hard to win a recall election - it's hard to get a recall going in the first place. As somebody said in the last thread, the fact that it got this far at all distinguishes just how angry people were. There were 150 recall elections last year, but over 300 recall attempts. 75 successful recalls and 9 resignations out of over 300 is a much weaker track record. Rick Snyder had a campaign that rivaled his run for governor just against the petition while it was gathering signatures, and then basically stopped running the state for a few weeks to make sure technicalities like font size and ink color got as many pages of it disqualified as possible.
*facepalm*
Like, I know these are the sorts of issues that go back decades intellectually, but it's kind of jarring to see people arguing about issues on the show (that is over a decade old) that we just watched people debating literally only weeks or months ago.
Basically what I'm saying is tha tthere are a handful of issues I really hope to see resolved in my lifetime, and it's boggling me how even with the progress that has been made, some of this shit will likely still be in the debates as a contentious matter for Very Serious Discussion(tm).
*more facepalm*
I'm not sure which group saddens me more; those who actively seek the repeal of the part that keeps the insurance industry from imploding (which has been pointed out to possibly have a eventually beneficial outcome, but in the short term would fucking suuuuuck for a lot of people) or those with no opinion or that don't know after it was debated publically on a variety of levels for years. Like, on one hand I don't mind people admitting a lack of knowledge, but this is kind of a big fucking deal, as it were. It's not like it was quietly hashed out in back rooms for a few weeks or something.
Shoved down our throats!
I'm totally on board with people admitting they're not sure. I'm actually more ok with the 'full repeal' option - I mean fine, it's a bad idea, but at least it's somewhat intellectually consistent, even if a good chunk of its supporters are just spouting the Team Conservative line. Half repeal? Idiot centrism at its finest.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map
oonts oonts oonts
In case that was directed at me: Guaranteed-issue without individual mandate = disaster. That would be like not paying soldiers + draft.
Why?
Because governing outside the authority granted by the documents forming our government is worse than whatever good might come from the unconstitutional thing being done.