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[ND Measure 2] : Son Of Prop. 13
AngelHedgie
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Only North Dakota could look at the dysfunction of California and say "I want me some of that":
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-11/north-dakota-property-tax/55533784/1
Measure 2 will outlaw property taxes in ND. While it requires the $800M shortfall to be made up, it doesn't specify how.
It's amazing to watch the populace of a state pull the knife across its own throat.
Edit: NYT has more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/us/north-dakota-voters-consider-ending-property-tax.html?_r=2
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-11/north-dakota-property-tax/55533784/1
Measure 2 will outlaw property taxes in ND. While it requires the $800M shortfall to be made up, it doesn't specify how.
It's amazing to watch the populace of a state pull the knife across its own throat.
Edit: NYT has more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/us/north-dakota-voters-consider-ending-property-tax.html?_r=2
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It must be stressed how important it is not to read the comments in that article. I got through about a half-dozen before I was given a nosebleed and a shock of white hair.
Edit - I mean holy shit, there's a woman there suggesting that police, firefighters, and public works employees be composed of an entirely voluntary force. Are you fucking serious?
It failed by a large margin. So uhh hooray!
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It should never have happened at all. And if you think this idiocy is done, think again. ND just found themselves a political bad penny.
I can see why this is a little jarring though - the idea is patently absurd and shouldn't have even come as far as it did. As far as I'm concerned, 25% is far too much. Crazification factor and all I suppose, though.
Its lost by huge margins. Not exactly a real dire situation hedgie.
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Howard Jarvis didn't succeed in one day. The idiots opened Pandora's Box.
Even Bush managed to keep a steady ~30% support no matter how bad he screwed up.
I don't know about patently absurd....it's just a tax in the end, but people would be morons to think the loss of that tax base wouldn't be made up with new or higher taxes somewhere else.
Are you equally concerned about Lyndon Larouche supporters? I mean the vote was not close, its not suddenly going to get more popular the more people hear about the ridiculous plan to just "uhh we'll pay for it somewhere maybe."
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I agree. I think it makes the most sense to tax when money exchanges hands. If people want to tax wealth, they should lobby for a more aggressive estate tax.
Oh good that ridiculous religious freedom to beat people got struck down? Good for you ND.
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There are plenty of ways to make up a budget, and this wouldn't be nearly as ridiculous if the instructions given to all local government within the state wasn't essentially "keep doing what you're doing, but with about a billion dollars less".
Read up on Prop. 13 sometime. ND has several of the elements needed to get the right environment for this to become viable.
Chicken Little sky ain't falling! If it can't pass now, when the boom money is big, its not suddenly going to become more viable when the boom money starts drying up. On top of that prop 13 didn't get rid of property taxes entirely, it just did a ridiculous limit to them, this was a whole big barrel of suck that 75% of the state said "yeah thats fucking ridiculous" and that was 75% of the primary voters of the state, the best a conservative policy maker could ever help for.
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Also the effects of prop 13, and giant population boom into california will arguably never happen in North Dakota. It's not exactly considered prime real estate. (And I can say that as I grew up there.) North Dakota was for years losing population, no idea if it still is, as last I was back Fargo appeared to be fairly booming, but I doubt prop 13 could really do the damage in North Dakota that it's done in California.
Yes my home, a state in the Midwest, has some people with some really fucking stupid ideas.
Luckily 75% of the people in my home state aren't in that minority of people that agreed with this particular really fucking stupid idea.
Here's to hoping lots of people in an unnamed state on the West Coast stay away I guess? ;-)
But yeah I guess in the past ND was proud of it's school system?
Then everyone needs to take money from other shit to underfund them and everything goes out of control.