On Kog you can do fancy things like frozen mallet with MBR and a void staff. You're team better have some real ad bruiser power / assassin to cover physical damage though.
OK so I know the LW vs MBR argument is a long standing one and LW tends to win out but I was looking into Kog and wondering if MBR would win on him due to the synergy with his W (Bio-Arcane Barrage).
Thoughts? Numbercrafts?
It's never been between LW and MBR. It's between Last Whisper and Black Cleaver. MBR has a certain role and it is good for certain champions/situations.
Agree Cait beats Sivir, and good Ez beats Sivir 1v1 if played right. Not sure about Ashe though. Just need reflexes for that match up.
Yeah you're right, I derped a bit there. It was LW vs BC and MBR vs Wit's + Malady.
Is it wrong to prefer Sivir over better AD carries?
Yes, because Sivir is not a "worse" AD carry. It is however, not wrong to prefer Sivir over other AD carries. ATM i think the only thing holding down sivir's popularity is the lack of play she sees in tournaments. And because she is easy to counter pick[IMO Ashe/Ezreal/Cait
IMO the reason Sivir isn't picked as often is that in typical non tourney games, everybody wants to approach the game from a perspective of who is the best champ under the best circumstances. So they think if the game goes super late and we're all fed, then I better pick Tristana, Graves, or some other AD with a stronger non ult AS steroid. Sivir doesn't have anything that jumps off the page at you other than her spell shield, and it's not a big damage move which is what people like. Plus she doesn't have a great escape for mid fight in the form of a dash or anything.
OK so I know the LW vs MBR argument is a long standing one and LW tends to win out but I was looking into Kog and wondering if MBR would win on him due to the synergy with his W (Bio-Arcane Barrage).
Thoughts? Numbercrafts?
It's never been between LW and MBR. It's between Last Whisper and Black Cleaver. MBR has a certain role and it is good for certain champions/situations.
Agree Cait beats Sivir, and good Ez beats Sivir 1v1 if played right. Not sure about Ashe though. Just need reflexes for that match up.
If Sivir is trying to predict the arrow then Ashe has volley harass to clear the shield. Slows soft counter Sivir as well and Ashe can turn her 100 range advantage and 15%+ slow into a pretty easy kite even with Sivir's chase bonus.
If sivir can land q's then she will win the lane... but sivir beats anyone if she gets double hit q's.
Sivir is my most played AD lately and I would greatly prefer laning vs a cait than an ashe. I guess I can see how cait would give sivir trouble with AA harass, but her net is literally her only ability that can't be spell-shielded when sivir is half asleep. I've considered sivir a counterpick to cait since her rework (when I started playing her), though I usually only see cait during freeweek so maybe that's the deal.
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Metal JaredMulligan WizardRhode IslandRegistered Userregular
Is it wrong to prefer Sivir over better AD carries?
Yes, because Sivir is not a "worse" AD carry. It is however, not wrong to prefer Sivir over other AD carries. ATM i think the only thing holding down sivir's popularity is the lack of play she sees in tournaments. And because she is easy to counter pick[IMO Ashe/Ezreal/Cait
IMO the reason Sivir isn't picked as often is that in typical non tourney games, everybody wants to approach the game from a perspective of who is the best champ under the best circumstances. So they think if the game goes super late and we're all fed, then I better pick Tristana, Graves, or some other AD with a stronger non ult AS steroid. Sivir doesn't have anything that jumps off the page at you other than her spell shield, and it's not a big damage move which is what people like. Plus she doesn't have a great escape for mid fight in the form of a dash or anything.
I don't think that is right. I think it has more to do with the pick/ban order meta.
In general you don't tend to ban bottom laners since bottom lane probably isn't going to be your snowball lane. There are two chances to counter pick[AD and Support], more people in the lane which adds more risk to initiation, its harder to gank, and at the end of the game, one AD carry is almost as good as another since you can't keep them unfarmed forever [So they eventually get IE/PD/LW] and the skillset carries over from one AD to another very well [position well and right click].
Top and Mid (or sometimes jungle) tends to have more of an effect on the early snowball game and so tends to get more bans and tends to be picked last for counter picks with jungle/support/AD picked before top/mid with the exception of Urgot.
This means that the AD's you want to pick tend to be those who are not hard countered as easily. So you get fewer Ashe picks and more Graves picks. So if you first pick, picking Sivir means you're going to get countered in lane. Which is bad if your lane bully can get countered in lane. If you pick second, one of the soft or hard counters to Sivir is likely already picked, since the enemy wanted to go with safer picks like Corki/Graves.
The only thing that is a bit baffling is that Sivir should do very well against Urgot. She can spellshield his e in lane and so is only really vulnerable to the swap. And she can punish with q and auto attacks due to Urgot's huge hitbox and low AA range. So its entirely possible that its more that fewer high ELO AD's are comfortable with playing her.
EDIT: When I said "cait" i meant "Graves" not sure why i typed Cait. Sivir is a pretty decent pick against cait since you can shield everything and this leaves cait only with AA harass. Which, while strong, sets sivir up to q back and sivir does not have as much of a problem closing the distance due to her speed bonus.
Sivir was played all the time three months ago after her Ricochet remake and before she was nerfed. I doubt they aren't comfortable with her as much as seeing Sivir as not worth it after the nerfs.
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Keep doing things right guys. I U.
Sincerely,
A Fan of Riot Games
I could not agree more with this.
I think calling Blizzard "satanic" might be a bit controversial
Sivir is my most played AD lately and I would greatly prefer laning vs a cait than an ashe. I guess I can see how cait would give sivir trouble with AA harass, but her net is literally her only ability that can't be spell-shielded when sivir is half asleep. I've considered sivir a counterpick to cait since her rework (when I started playing her), though I usually only see cait during freeweek so maybe that's the deal.
I would agree with this. Cupcakes and Piltover are free mana for Sivir, and Sivir can push the lane harder than Caitlyn. Cait's range would still be a factor, but you can W and Q harass her from long range too.
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Keep doing things right guys. I U.
Sincerely,
A Fan of Riot Games
I could not agree more with this.
Why compare Riot with Blizzard? Dota 2 is the competition and their stuff is pretty fucking amazing. Client is light years ahead. Invented fast patching.
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Keep doing things right guys. I U.
Sincerely,
A Fan of Riot Games
I could not agree more with this.
This is so hilariously wrong I kinda feel like answering it. Blizzard does a better job of balancing the games they consider competitive than pretty much anyone, there were plenty of compensation for wow downtime in the early days, and they have a fair few times admitted they messed up, as recently as with D3 issues.
They have never been F2P, which I actually like. I rather like paying once for a game, even if I do enjoy LoL. And yes, their expansions have been well worth the cost you pay for them.
And respectable and honorable company? Wat. That's not even quantifiable in any meaningful way.
Blizzard has compensated for wow downtime, there have been times when wow pvp has been as balanced as you can get in a game where pve/pvp contrast that way, and SC2 has great balance. I really like riot, especially how they post on their forums and seem to be mostly chill people, but that person is just a blizzard hater who wants riot to love him.
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Metal JaredMulligan WizardRhode IslandRegistered Userregular
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Keep doing things right guys. I U.
Sincerely,
A Fan of Riot Games
I could not agree more with this.
A few things, people who play the game have every right to complain about downtime. Even if they aren't 'paying customers' every person who plays gives Riot a better chance of being able to make money. I've met people that have spent hundreds of dollars playing LoL and one of the reasons is due to the fact the player base is so strong because the game is free to play. Riot is not doing us a favor by providing the game to us, we're doing them a favor by playing the game. Riot is a for profit company, I will never, ever, feel bad for them.
That doesn't mean they didn't make a great game (I really enjoy it) and that the game isn't well balanced (I see lots of viable and fun champions). It certainly is those things. However, if you make a micro transaction game you can't go "Derp de derp it's free so if the game is down it's ok because it's free!" that's not how business works. They made the game for the express reason of making money. They have indeed made money (and continue to do so) they are open to critisim and should indeed recieve said critisism.
At this point I'm as tired of the Pro-Riot Fanboys/girls as I am tired of the large amount of silly geese that play the game. Just fix the stupid game.
tl;dr: Having a broken game isn't doing the right thing. Riot's a business and for profit, the game is just free so they have the opportunity to make more money
(Also pretty sure Blizzard gave away rested XP and free days to play in the beginning of WoW, not much of a 'reward' but still)
Yes, because Sivir is not a "worse" AD carry. It is however, not wrong to prefer Sivir over other AD carries. ATM i think the only thing holding down sivir's popularity is the lack of play she sees in tournaments. And because she is easy to counter pick[IMO Ashe/Ezreal/Cait
Sivir's biggest 'drawback' is that she doesn't have the utility or escapes available to other popular carry picks. Miss Fortune has similar problems.
Tristana has rocket jump, Caitlyn has her net, Graves has Dash + SS, Ashe has her ult, Vayne has Condemn, Corki has Valkyrie, Urgot has his swap (and behaves differently than a more typical carry). Nothing in Sivir's kit compares to that kind of stuff in terms of utility or getting out of trouble / into good position.
The only carry I see a lot of that doesn't have notable escape / utlity is Kog'Maw, and he gets away with it because his steroid almost makes up for not being able to get away (Can't escape? Guess I'll just melt your face off, then).
It's not that downtime is just okay and people should shut up. It's that downtime is to be expected to happen sometimes, and unless it's just a constant thing, which it isn't, people should be expected to act sane about it, which of course doesn't happen on official forums.
Since DotA2 was brought up... does anyone else find it painful to look at? Like, the heroes and abilities don't stand out as much and everything just looks kinda muddy? Maybe it's purely a matter of actually being familiar with LoL but I don't remember looking at a game of League early on and being like "...so exactly what the fuck is going on here?"
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The official forums are an echo chamber of 12 year olds enjoying their summer vacation. It's unavoidable, and you shouldn't waste the breath discussing it.
Since DotA2 was brought up... does anyone else find it painful to look at? Like, the heroes and abilities don't stand out as much and everything just looks kinda muddy? Maybe it's purely a matter of actually being familiar with LoL but I don't remember looking at a game of League early on and being like "...so exactly what the fuck is going on here?"
Those are the exact same thoughts I had when I watched someone play HoN. It was like someone had barfed a pool of rainbow-colored, glowing mud onto the screen. It was impossible to tell what was going on in the slightest.
MOBA games in general, much like wow arena, are utterly inscrutable to someone not currently playing the game.
I can follow LoL since I play it a lot these days, but DOTA 2 is completely impossible to follow since I don't. Is the main drawback with it as spectator sport really.
Since DotA2 was brought up... does anyone else find it painful to look at? Like, the heroes and abilities don't stand out as much and everything just looks kinda muddy? Maybe it's purely a matter of actually being familiar with LoL but I don't remember looking at a game of League early on and being like "...so exactly what the fuck is going on here?"
Those are the exact same thoughts I had when I watched someone play HoN. It was like someone had barfed a pool of rainbow-colored, glowing mud onto the screen. It was impossible to tell what was going on in the slightest.
I thought HoN was too dark and muddy from the first screenshot I saw. I've never felt that about Dota2. I watch Dota2 tourney streams when they appear on Own3d, and I don't find champions hard to follow. Obviously my understanding of what is actually going on is limited to "Oh, that was a great CC!" x100 and the casters' explanations of other things.
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Keep doing things right guys. I U.
Sincerely,
A Fan of Riot Games
I could not agree more with this.
A few things, people who play the game have every right to complain about downtime. Even if they aren't 'paying customers' every person who plays gives Riot a better chance of being able to make money. I've met people that have spent hundreds of dollars playing LoL and one of the reasons is due to the fact the player base is so strong because the game is free to play. Riot is not doing us a favor by providing the game to us, we're doing them a favor by playing the game. Riot is a for profit company, I will never, ever, feel bad for them.
tl;dr: Having a broken game isn't doing the right thing. Riot's a business and for profit, the game is just free so they have the opportunity to make more money
Yeah, this is my favorite part of people lauding Riot - the game is not free to play because of some altruistic philosophy. It's free to play because that makes them the most money. Just because you aren't handing money to Riot doesn't mean they aren't making more money from you playing their game.
Except Sivir. Urgot has no escapes and no chase. Sivir has longer range, can spell shield his only harass combo and Urgot's huge hitbox makes it easy to land double q's.
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Keep doing things right guys. I U.
Sincerely,
A Fan of Riot Games
I could not agree more with this.
A few things, people who play the game have every right to complain about downtime. Even if they aren't 'paying customers' every person who plays gives Riot a better chance of being able to make money. I've met people that have spent hundreds of dollars playing LoL and one of the reasons is due to the fact the player base is so strong because the game is free to play. Riot is not doing us a favor by providing the game to us, we're doing them a favor by playing the game. Riot is a for profit company, I will never, ever, feel bad for them.
tl;dr: Having a broken game isn't doing the right thing. Riot's a business and for profit, the game is just free so they have the opportunity to make more money
Yeah, this is my favorite part of people lauding Riot - the game is not free to play because of some altruistic philosophy. It's free to play because that makes them the most money. Just because you aren't handing money to Riot doesn't mean they aren't making more money from you playing their game.
Yes but thats also a counter point to the whiners about downtime.
No, RIOT doesnt want their game to be down. And its also pretty shallow to think that they didnt have any kind of test process for patches that they didnt go through.
Point is, RIOT needs the game to be functioning to make money. Downtime is lost money to RIOT, RIOT wants to minimize downtime, sometimes unscheduled maintenance is unavoidable, and we just need to deal with it.
By the way, whoever was doubting RiotNome, so far he has been an incredibly cool guy. Been discussing dominion with him and he has been queuing with me for a couple of games.
Since DotA2 was brought up... does anyone else find it painful to look at? Like, the heroes and abilities don't stand out as much and everything just looks kinda muddy? Maybe it's purely a matter of actually being familiar with LoL but I don't remember looking at a game of League early on and being like "...so exactly what the fuck is going on here?"
DotA2 is a giant steaming pile. I have actually tired on 4 separate occasions to play it and like it, but the fact that they kept in all the horrific things about DotA as "features" makes me want to vomit my brain. I don't mind the champ designs but I do agree that the map is uninspired and boring and that the overall design does have a very muddy feel to it compared to HoN or especially the crisp feeling of LoL.
I abhore the Tower mechanics and range, and actually the ranges in general. I despise the denying mechanic of creeps/towers and generally dislike the way kills are called out.
I do like the champion banter though that was very entertaining
Hated the fact that people bailed out of the bot games I was trying to play (Never actually had a group finish one)
Absolutely could not stand the attack animations on the ranged characters but that's probably just something to get used to.
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By the way, whoever was doubting RiotNome, so far he has been an incredibly cool guy. Been discussing dominion with him and he has been queuing with me for a couple of games.
He... plays the bravest Vayne... :<
In this case, are you using the word 'brave' to mean 'suicidal'?
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Metal JaredMulligan WizardRhode IslandRegistered Userregular
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Keep doing things right guys. I U.
Sincerely,
A Fan of Riot Games
I could not agree more with this.
A few things, people who play the game have every right to complain about downtime. Even if they aren't 'paying customers' every person who plays gives Riot a better chance of being able to make money. I've met people that have spent hundreds of dollars playing LoL and one of the reasons is due to the fact the player base is so strong because the game is free to play. Riot is not doing us a favor by providing the game to us, we're doing them a favor by playing the game. Riot is a for profit company, I will never, ever, feel bad for them.
tl;dr: Having a broken game isn't doing the right thing. Riot's a business and for profit, the game is just free so they have the opportunity to make more money
Yeah, this is my favorite part of people lauding Riot - the game is not free to play because of some altruistic philosophy. It's free to play because that makes them the most money. Just because you aren't handing money to Riot doesn't mean they aren't making more money from you playing their game.
Yes but thats also a counter point to the whiners about downtime.
No, RIOT doesnt want their game to be down. And its also pretty shallow to think that they didnt have any kind of test process for patches that they didnt go through.
Point is, RIOT needs the game to be functioning to make money. Downtime is lost money to RIOT, RIOT wants to minimize downtime, sometimes unscheduled maintenance is unavoidable, and we just need to deal with it.
Yeah that's not actually how it works. You're 100% right where this is Riot losing money. They did something stupid and they're paying for it (as they should). However the people playing the game don't have to 'deal with it' because there are other games, other leasure activities available to them.
Riot should be SO HAPPY that people are whining about downtime. It should be the best message they see all day. They should respond to each whiner INDIVIDUALLY because if they don't the whiner might just go "Oh well they don't care the game is down I'm going to play DOTA2/HON/Whatever".
This is BUSINESS, plain and simple. Riot needs to do damage control and a "deal with it" attitude is possibly the worst thing they could do. Riot needs to embrace its community. Appologize profusely and frequently. Then give clear updates to everyone.
tl;dr: Riot should be happy people whine, because it's better than them not caring
I did really really bad as him yesterday, but Skippy told me that if you stack bloodthirsters it doesn't really matter, and Skippy was not wrong.
I got a Quadra kill by chain-ulting. It was doing 650 true damage with zero stacks, and refreshing on kill. With full stacks of bleed on target, it does 200% damage. True damage. True damage.
By the way, whoever was doubting RiotNome, so far he has been an incredibly cool guy. Been discussing dominion with him and he has been queuing with me for a couple of games.
He... plays the bravest Vayne... :<
In this case, are you using the word 'brave' to mean 'suicidal'?
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Yeah you're right, I derped a bit there. It was LW vs BC and MBR vs Wit's + Malady.
IMO the reason Sivir isn't picked as often is that in typical non tourney games, everybody wants to approach the game from a perspective of who is the best champ under the best circumstances. So they think if the game goes super late and we're all fed, then I better pick Tristana, Graves, or some other AD with a stronger non ult AS steroid. Sivir doesn't have anything that jumps off the page at you other than her spell shield, and it's not a big damage move which is what people like. Plus she doesn't have a great escape for mid fight in the form of a dash or anything.
If Sivir is trying to predict the arrow then Ashe has volley harass to clear the shield. Slows soft counter Sivir as well and Ashe can turn her 100 range advantage and 15%+ slow into a pretty easy kite even with Sivir's chase bonus.
If sivir can land q's then she will win the lane... but sivir beats anyone if she gets double hit q's.
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I wouldn't call it so much "bad luck" as I would horrible planning/coding/testing/etc.
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I don't think that is right. I think it has more to do with the pick/ban order meta.
In general you don't tend to ban bottom laners since bottom lane probably isn't going to be your snowball lane. There are two chances to counter pick[AD and Support], more people in the lane which adds more risk to initiation, its harder to gank, and at the end of the game, one AD carry is almost as good as another since you can't keep them unfarmed forever [So they eventually get IE/PD/LW] and the skillset carries over from one AD to another very well [position well and right click].
Top and Mid (or sometimes jungle) tends to have more of an effect on the early snowball game and so tends to get more bans and tends to be picked last for counter picks with jungle/support/AD picked before top/mid with the exception of Urgot.
This means that the AD's you want to pick tend to be those who are not hard countered as easily. So you get fewer Ashe picks and more Graves picks. So if you first pick, picking Sivir means you're going to get countered in lane. Which is bad if your lane bully can get countered in lane. If you pick second, one of the soft or hard counters to Sivir is likely already picked, since the enemy wanted to go with safer picks like Corki/Graves.
The only thing that is a bit baffling is that Sivir should do very well against Urgot. She can spellshield his e in lane and so is only really vulnerable to the swap. And she can punish with q and auto attacks due to Urgot's huge hitbox and low AA range. So its entirely possible that its more that fewer high ELO AD's are comfortable with playing her.
EDIT: When I said "cait" i meant "Graves" not sure why i typed Cait. Sivir is a pretty decent pick against cait since you can shield everything and this leaves cait only with AA harass. Which, while strong, sets sivir up to q back and sivir does not have as much of a problem closing the distance due to her speed bonus.
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Dear Riot,
Do not listen to the trolls.
Your systems are by far the best, most balanced, least glitchy, most entertaining systems in the moba genre for starters and in comparison to any other genre additionally. Your company is to be praised especially when compared with satanic companies like Blizzard Entertainment who has
1) Never once rewarded its players for inconvenient downtime
2) Never once tried to ACTUALLY balance its primary game in any meaningful way
3) Never apologized for problems that stemmed from their own lack of insight as developers
4) Never offered ANY game to be playable without any sort of fee or purchase price
5) Never come close to being a respectable and honorable company like the good people at Riot Games
Keep doing things right guys. I
Sincerely,
A Fan of Riot Games
I could not agree more with this.
Please don't go. The drones need you. They look up to you.
I think calling Blizzard "satanic" might be a bit controversial
I would agree with this. Cupcakes and Piltover are free mana for Sivir, and Sivir can push the lane harder than Caitlyn. Cait's range would still be a factor, but you can W and Q harass her from long range too.
Why compare Riot with Blizzard? Dota 2 is the competition and their stuff is pretty fucking amazing. Client is light years ahead. Invented fast patching.
This is so hilariously wrong I kinda feel like answering it. Blizzard does a better job of balancing the games they consider competitive than pretty much anyone, there were plenty of compensation for wow downtime in the early days, and they have a fair few times admitted they messed up, as recently as with D3 issues.
They have never been F2P, which I actually like. I rather like paying once for a game, even if I do enjoy LoL. And yes, their expansions have been well worth the cost you pay for them.
And respectable and honorable company? Wat. That's not even quantifiable in any meaningful way.
A few things, people who play the game have every right to complain about downtime. Even if they aren't 'paying customers' every person who plays gives Riot a better chance of being able to make money. I've met people that have spent hundreds of dollars playing LoL and one of the reasons is due to the fact the player base is so strong because the game is free to play. Riot is not doing us a favor by providing the game to us, we're doing them a favor by playing the game. Riot is a for profit company, I will never, ever, feel bad for them.
That doesn't mean they didn't make a great game (I really enjoy it) and that the game isn't well balanced (I see lots of viable and fun champions). It certainly is those things. However, if you make a micro transaction game you can't go "Derp de derp it's free so if the game is down it's ok because it's free!" that's not how business works. They made the game for the express reason of making money. They have indeed made money (and continue to do so) they are open to critisim and should indeed recieve said critisism.
At this point I'm as tired of the Pro-Riot Fanboys/girls as I am tired of the large amount of silly geese that play the game. Just fix the stupid game.
tl;dr: Having a broken game isn't doing the right thing. Riot's a business and for profit, the game is just free so they have the opportunity to make more money
(Also pretty sure Blizzard gave away rested XP and free days to play in the beginning of WoW, not much of a 'reward' but still)
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Sivir's biggest 'drawback' is that she doesn't have the utility or escapes available to other popular carry picks. Miss Fortune has similar problems.
Tristana has rocket jump, Caitlyn has her net, Graves has Dash + SS, Ashe has her ult, Vayne has Condemn, Corki has Valkyrie, Urgot has his swap (and behaves differently than a more typical carry). Nothing in Sivir's kit compares to that kind of stuff in terms of utility or getting out of trouble / into good position.
The only carry I see a lot of that doesn't have notable escape / utlity is Kog'Maw, and he gets away with it because his steroid almost makes up for not being able to get away (Can't escape? Guess I'll just melt your face off, then).
Those are the exact same thoughts I had when I watched someone play HoN. It was like someone had barfed a pool of rainbow-colored, glowing mud onto the screen. It was impossible to tell what was going on in the slightest.
I can follow LoL since I play it a lot these days, but DOTA 2 is completely impossible to follow since I don't. Is the main drawback with it as spectator sport really.
I thought HoN was too dark and muddy from the first screenshot I saw. I've never felt that about Dota2. I watch Dota2 tourney streams when they appear on Own3d, and I don't find champions hard to follow. Obviously my understanding of what is actually going on is limited to "Oh, that was a great CC!" x100 and the casters' explanations of other things.
Yeah, this is my favorite part of people lauding Riot - the game is not free to play because of some altruistic philosophy. It's free to play because that makes them the most money. Just because you aren't handing money to Riot doesn't mean they aren't making more money from you playing their game.
Edit: Accidentally closed instead of minimizing the log in client. 2 hours and 10 minute queue time now!
Except Sivir. Urgot has no escapes and no chase. Sivir has longer range, can spell shield his only harass combo and Urgot's huge hitbox makes it easy to land double q's.
Yes but thats also a counter point to the whiners about downtime.
No, RIOT doesnt want their game to be down. And its also pretty shallow to think that they didnt have any kind of test process for patches that they didnt go through.
Point is, RIOT needs the game to be functioning to make money. Downtime is lost money to RIOT, RIOT wants to minimize downtime, sometimes unscheduled maintenance is unavoidable, and we just need to deal with it.
He... plays the bravest Vayne... :<
DotA2 is a giant steaming pile. I have actually tired on 4 separate occasions to play it and like it, but the fact that they kept in all the horrific things about DotA as "features" makes me want to vomit my brain. I don't mind the champ designs but I do agree that the map is uninspired and boring and that the overall design does have a very muddy feel to it compared to HoN or especially the crisp feeling of LoL.
I abhore the Tower mechanics and range, and actually the ranges in general. I despise the denying mechanic of creeps/towers and generally dislike the way kills are called out.
I do like the champion banter though that was very entertaining
Hated the fact that people bailed out of the bot games I was trying to play (Never actually had a group finish one)
Absolutely could not stand the attack animations on the ranged characters but that's probably just something to get used to.
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Yeah that's not actually how it works. You're 100% right where this is Riot losing money. They did something stupid and they're paying for it (as they should). However the people playing the game don't have to 'deal with it' because there are other games, other leasure activities available to them.
Riot should be SO HAPPY that people are whining about downtime. It should be the best message they see all day. They should respond to each whiner INDIVIDUALLY because if they don't the whiner might just go "Oh well they don't care the game is down I'm going to play DOTA2/HON/Whatever".
This is BUSINESS, plain and simple. Riot needs to do damage control and a "deal with it" attitude is possibly the worst thing they could do. Riot needs to embrace its community. Appologize profusely and frequently. Then give clear updates to everyone.
tl;dr: Riot should be happy people whine, because it's better than them not caring
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I did really really bad as him yesterday, but Skippy told me that if you stack bloodthirsters it doesn't really matter, and Skippy was not wrong.
I got a Quadra kill by chain-ulting. It was doing 650 true damage with zero stacks, and refreshing on kill. With full stacks of bleed on target, it does 200% damage. True damage. True damage.
Don't you talk about my Darius like that.
....Okay then.
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Urgot doesn't chase.
Acid Hunter does that for him.