Honestly, that's a mistake. you don't need to do anything other than click a button on the Mobo control panel thing in windows
and you're gonna get one extra 1ghz per core without any trouble or hassle.
This is not overclocking in the old hardcore sense, this is just like the old time "turbo" button.
Honestly, I was thinking the same thing last night so I made another build with the i5 3750k and Gigabyte Z77-D3H mobo while keeping everything else the same with the i5 non-K build but with the Asus P8H77-M-Pro mATX mobo. Honestly, the difference in price is only 20$. I'm quite tempted to just get the i5k and Z77 build. If I were to OC, would I need more fans or anything? PSU with more voltage?
Also, the MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Twin Frozr III has a 40 dollar instant rebate and a 20 dollar mail in rebate. It ends up being a lot cheaper than the EVGA equivalent. Should I switch out the EVGA for the MSI?
I never messed with the voltages nor had to put an extra PSU nor anything like that. I don't think voltages have anything to do with PSUs, anyway.
I don't know anything about real serious OC, after all, that's why I'm telling you the K is worth it:
Just click a thingy, reboot, BAM, 4.3GHz stable. You only need to understand the whole thing if you wanna go up to 5GHz or something. I know clock isn't everything, but getting 33% more clock for 20 bucks can't be a bad thing.
I did install a Hyper TX2 cooler, instead of the default one, but I live in Rio de Janeiro and it's really fuking hot, so I'd do that anyway.
Be aware that with any click and go oc the motherboard will up cpu voltage which means increased heat/power consumption. The higher the oc the higher the board will volt.
On ivy with stock cooling I probably wouldn't suggest looking much higher than 4ghz if you aren't interested in manual voltage tweaking. Add another few hundred megahertz to that with an after market air cooler
Edit: I'm a big fan of those msi twin frozr cards, I'd say go for it
1 x Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H ATX LGA1155 Z77 DDR3 3PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 HDMI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
2 x Mushkin Enhanced Blackline Frostbyte PC3-12800 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 1.5V Dual Channel Memory
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Twin Frozr III OC Power Edition 750MHZ 1280MB Dual DVI PCI *IR-$40.00*
1 x Cooler Master HAF 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound
1 x Seasonic S12II 520W EPS12V 20/24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 80+ Bronze 6+8PIN PCI-E W/ 120MM Fan
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64Bit SP1 DVD OEM *for NCIX PC Only* *IR-$20.00*
1 x Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 7200.12 1TB SATA 32MB Cache 3.5in Internal Hard Drive OEM
1 x OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5in SATA3 Indilinx 560MB/S Read 430MB/S Write Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD
1 x ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black
1 x nGear Flash Card Reader 3.5in Internal USB Black CF/SM/SDHC/MMC/MS/XD 18IN Cable
Total price after rebates is $1149. I don't plan on OCing above 4ghz so I should be ok with stock cooling. I think I'll pull the trigger on this build tomorrow unless you guys think there's something wrong with it.
You're going to be fine. It's a great build, and most of what we talked about was finetuning a good machine
when time comes to put it all together, do it calmly, on a big, flat surface, after watching a few how-to videos and reading the mobo manual very thoroughly. they have some important details people sometimes forget. Also, after each step, you should power it all up to check if it went ok.
it's not hard, each component only fits in the right place.
also, when you start it up and it doesn't work, it's the aux-power cable you forgot to plug in the mobo
Here is what I would like to do:
The television I have supports the 19X12 that my regular monitor does, and I have enjoyed hooking my computer up to the television and playing games from my couch with the XBOX controller. What I would like is a dedicated mini gaming box to do this full time (so that my current computer room can be dedicated solely to actual work). I already have two HD6870's (I was running XFire but didn't really see much change); I don't mind getting another vidcard if the price is right though. I also already have the CPU and Hard Drive I'd be using. Everything else I would need (wireless kb and mouse?). Small is key though. Small and portable if needed.
Yea they are both 1155's; one 3.3 and the other 3.1 - I just got the cheapest there was and the i3's seemed to do the trick. I figure the 3.3 will go in the game machine and the 3.1 will stay in the work machine.
Well 1155 can easily be done in an mitx build, if you want ultra small. That means only one gpu though. Matx and you can crossfire but it won't be as tiny
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UPS showed up at 8 to deliver my package, and I wasn't there, and they wouldn't leave it. So now I have a shiny new GPU for my rig but no SSD to install/format/play on
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Hey guys, you like 2-day shipping and purchase shit from Newegg a lot? Reddit pointed me to a free 1-year membership offer to shoprunner, basically free 2-day shipping for a whole damn year. No card numbers needed, just your shipping address.
UGH. I never thought the SSD would bother me so much, but now that my 128GB M4 is nearing full and I've learned the wonders of gaming off an SSD I cant bring myself to play off the spindle drive. Balancing games on the M4 grows tiresome, commoooooon christmas! Bring me a new Samsung 830!
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My 830 is so nice...
If I fill up my 256, I'm going to save up and buy another!
Hey. Hey. Don't talk shit about spindles, not where my Spinpoints can hear!
I need them to stay happy for a long time in the NAS I'm building. Just waiting on the case.
...and the motivation to get off my ass and finally get my crap put together on my M4/Momentus XT combo. They're just sitting there, still wrapped in the anti-static bags. They want to be used.
I've also been shopping around for a computer lately, ever since the video driver on this ancient one basically committed suicide. I'm surprised it's lasted this long, it's a freakin' AGP card. Probably going to wait until Boxing Day to see if there are any decent deals on.
I am horribly out of date as to what's "hip" though. But gleaming over multiple posts, and checking various builds on various sites, I guess that something along the lines of an Intel i3, 8 gigs ram, and any beefy video card is more than enough to run any game at max quality? I'm not looking for top of the line, but I'd also like to keep my options open. The problem though being that while I know how to change most basic computer parts, I don't know nor trust myself on how to replace a processor, motherboard, or power supply, so those are probably going to be the ones I want decently futureproof for the time being. The only thing that completely and utterly confuses me are motherboards. I have no clue what the difference between the $70 and $150 is.
2 questions while they're on my mind:
1: How is onboard video these days? I'm considering foregoing the video card for a while, to save money. Really the only thing I would potentially use the PC for is WoW for the short term. So long as things are adequate, I don't mind waiting on the video card.
2: Just to show how old this current PC is, I'm still running XP. So... Windows 7 or 8? Every anecdotal talk I've heard scares me to death about 8, so is it safer to just grab 7 and ride it out for as long as possible? I basically just fear and hate change and want my taskbars, windows, and folders for as long as feasibly possible.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
1. the onboard gpu on an i3 would technically run wow, but probably not at the resolution or quality you would be happy with
2. just go with win8, it's just like 7, only faster, and much cheaper to buy. The only real change is the start screen, and you get used to that fast/don't actually use start very much. And if it really bugs you then just install something like this: http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ and it will literally look just like win7 again. All the fear mongering and complaints are either from bloggers just wanting more page views by jumping on the bandwagon, or crotchity grumps who can't handle the slightest little change and don't actually use win8.
I'm a goof and meant to say an i5, not i3. Which shows how in touch I am with things. .
I was basically running WoW on this thing at the lowest quality. 1980 resolution, but near barebones, and the expansion was showing it. Any minor improvement would be fine by me
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
I'm a goof and meant to say an i5, not i3. Which shows how in touch I am with things. .
I was basically running WoW on this thing at the lowest quality. 1980 resolution, but near barebones, and the expansion was showing it. Any minor improvement would be fine by me
and to your older question of whats the difference between a $50 and $150 motherboard:
how many/what type of ports ie. usb 2/3, thunderbolt,firewire, esata, gigabit networking etc.
some of the cheaper manufacturers have really bad bios's
better quality components on the board itself, ie the voltage regulators, caps, etc. these help mostly for overclocking
number of sata ports/ bulit in raid controllers
number of pcie slots
but there are a fair number of good quality motherboard more towards the bottom end of the price range if you know what features are/aren't important to you and can comprise a bit.
Lich King used to run very well on an Atom EEE Netbook, but Cataclysm killed that. Pandaria made the game even "heavier". But it does look so much prettier with lighting and the new water and hi-res textures and ultra draw distance...
Windows 8 is fine, a Core i5 is fine, and you can make do with the IGP for a while and get a discrete GPU later whenever you feel like it. PCI Express isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
The AMD chips have much better IGPs (and are uber cheap), but overall CPU speed is lower, so if you get an actual video card, just grab an i3 or i5. i5s should be on discount on boxing day, and I can attest that the jump from i3->i5 is worth the cash.
The fiscal conservative in me is saying "All you use the computer for is web browsing and videos nowadays, you don't play games on it anymore and you weren't even playing WoW 2 months ago. Get something simple.". And the gamer in me is telling that n00b to stfu.
Of course, self fulfilling prophecy. The reason I don't play games on it anymore is because it's no longer capable of doing so.
So yeah. Basically the plan is to get something that can be upgraded later, since this current one is at the point where it's no longer feasible to. I'm just pondering the idea of forgoing the video card as a way of keeping the cost down.
I will say that I wish I trusted my skills in building a PC myself, in which case I could probably get a much better deal on things. But I just don't want to risk it. I'm a pussy like that.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
just build it yourself, there is really no way to screw up modern computer building. things only fit where they are designed to go. and if you run into any problems this thread will help you out.
putting together Ikea furniture is more difficult then computer building.
The fiscal conservative in me is saying "All you use the computer for is web browsing and videos nowadays, you don't play games on it anymore and you weren't even playing WoW 2 months ago. Get something simple.". And the gamer in me is telling that n00b to stfu.
Of course, self fulfilling prophecy. The reason I don't play games on it anymore is because it's no longer capable of doing so.
So yeah. Basically the plan is to get something that can be upgraded later, since this current one is at the point where it's no longer feasible to. I'm just pondering the idea of forgoing the video card as a way of keeping the cost down.
I will say that I wish I trusted my skills in building a PC myself, in which case I could probably get a much better deal on things. But I just don't want to risk it. I'm a pussy like that.
Can you use a screwdriver? Can you plug a kitchen appliance into a wall outlet?
Because if you can, you can absolutely build your own computer, no worries at all.
I'll definitely think about it. Double checking with NCIX, they only charge 50 bucks to assemble everything and test it. Obviously will be picking out the pieces myself at least. I briefly considered this since it'll go on sale for 850, which seems like a deal considering all that's in it, but reading up on things, CyberpowerPC seems like a skivvy brand... and I don't need shit like blu ray, KBAM, and 2 TB seems like an excessive amount of porn.
I just get nervous when you have to start considering stuff like thermal paste and the like.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Don't even put the consideration into it. Grab your own heatsink like the Hyper212 evo and use the thermal paste that comes with it. Assembling the PC is super easy and will help in knowing how to do it in the future should you ever decide you want to upgrade a particular component. Get it out of the way, learn how to do it. It's always a fun night when it's upgrade time for me and getting it all going is just so.... satisfying.
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AlectharAlan ShoreWe're not territorial about that sort of thing, are we?Registered Userregular
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I got some stuff in over the past few days, figured I'd give you guys an idea of what I'm looking at building over the holidays:
Prodigy NAS Build:
As soon as I get a Prodigy and get my main system running on the new drive combo I have, it'll be a 6 drive NAS build running on FreeNAS or NAS4Free. Starting with a 6 disk RAID-Z1 on 1TB Spinpoints (5TB available storage) with the aim of expanding it with 3TB drives in the future.
unRAID 15-Drive Build:
If I had bought a different set of controller cards, this might be a FreeNAS build, but it was all designed with unRAID in mind, so I'm probably going to put it all together and sell it to recoup the costs. The case requires some modification, tabs in the 5.25'' bays need to be flattened and a few other things.
hey guys, I'd like some advice on upgrading my PC.
Here's what I currently have:
Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz
GeForce 9500 GT
2 GB RAM
Windows 8
I'd like to run current games at medium-high settings, and I don't want to spend more than $300. Are there some inexpensive upgrades I can make that'll help out with gaming?
A Radeon 7850/7870 fit well within your budget, and would then turn your CPU into a bottleneck, and leave you room to upgrade your RAM which may not boost GAME performance a whole lot, but would increase general system performance exponentially.
Though my concern would be that your power supply doesn't have a PCI-E power connector, and your motherboard doesn't support DDR3.
Yeah, I'd appreciate some updates on the Prodigy build when you make it, Alecthar (particularly on the software side). Seems like a project that I'd be interested in doing myself, sometime down the line.
What do you guys think about solid state drives? Is it a good increase in performance for the price or am I better off with a gigantic normal drive? I'm thinking mainly in terms of startup times and loading times in games.
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Honestly, I was thinking the same thing last night so I made another build with the i5 3750k and Gigabyte Z77-D3H mobo while keeping everything else the same with the i5 non-K build but with the Asus P8H77-M-Pro mATX mobo. Honestly, the difference in price is only 20$. I'm quite tempted to just get the i5k and Z77 build. If I were to OC, would I need more fans or anything? PSU with more voltage?
Also, the MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Twin Frozr III has a 40 dollar instant rebate and a 20 dollar mail in rebate. It ends up being a lot cheaper than the EVGA equivalent. Should I switch out the EVGA for the MSI?
I don't know anything about real serious OC, after all, that's why I'm telling you the K is worth it:
Just click a thingy, reboot, BAM, 4.3GHz stable. You only need to understand the whole thing if you wanna go up to 5GHz or something. I know clock isn't everything, but getting 33% more clock for 20 bucks can't be a bad thing.
I did install a Hyper TX2 cooler, instead of the default one, but I live in Rio de Janeiro and it's really fuking hot, so I'd do that anyway.
Be aware that with any click and go oc the motherboard will up cpu voltage which means increased heat/power consumption. The higher the oc the higher the board will volt.
On ivy with stock cooling I probably wouldn't suggest looking much higher than 4ghz if you aren't interested in manual voltage tweaking. Add another few hundred megahertz to that with an after market air cooler
Edit: I'm a big fan of those msi twin frozr cards, I'd say go for it
1 x Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H ATX LGA1155 Z77 DDR3 3PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 HDMI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
2 x Mushkin Enhanced Blackline Frostbyte PC3-12800 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 1.5V Dual Channel Memory
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Twin Frozr III OC Power Edition 750MHZ 1280MB Dual DVI PCI *IR-$40.00*
1 x Cooler Master HAF 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound
1 x Seasonic S12II 520W EPS12V 20/24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 80+ Bronze 6+8PIN PCI-E W/ 120MM Fan
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64Bit SP1 DVD OEM *for NCIX PC Only* *IR-$20.00*
1 x Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 7200.12 1TB SATA 32MB Cache 3.5in Internal Hard Drive OEM
1 x OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5in SATA3 Indilinx 560MB/S Read 430MB/S Write Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD
1 x ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black
1 x nGear Flash Card Reader 3.5in Internal USB Black CF/SM/SDHC/MMC/MS/XD 18IN Cable
Total price after rebates is $1149. I don't plan on OCing above 4ghz so I should be ok with stock cooling. I think I'll pull the trigger on this build tomorrow unless you guys think there's something wrong with it.
when time comes to put it all together, do it calmly, on a big, flat surface, after watching a few how-to videos and reading the mobo manual very thoroughly. they have some important details people sometimes forget. Also, after each step, you should power it all up to check if it went ok.
it's not hard, each component only fits in the right place.
also, when you start it up and it doesn't work, it's the aux-power cable you forgot to plug in the mobo
good luck!
The television I have supports the 19X12 that my regular monitor does, and I have enjoyed hooking my computer up to the television and playing games from my couch with the XBOX controller. What I would like is a dedicated mini gaming box to do this full time (so that my current computer room can be dedicated solely to actual work). I already have two HD6870's (I was running XFire but didn't really see much change); I don't mind getting another vidcard if the price is right though. I also already have the CPU and Hard Drive I'd be using. Everything else I would need (wireless kb and mouse?). Small is key though. Small and portable if needed.
do you have a budget in mind for this thing?
UPS showed up at 8 to deliver my package, and I wasn't there, and they wouldn't leave it. So now I have a shiny new GPU for my rig but no SSD to install/format/play on
If I fill up my 256, I'm going to save up and buy another!
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SSD forever
Hey. Hey. Don't talk shit about spindles, not where my Spinpoints can hear!
I need them to stay happy for a long time in the NAS I'm building. Just waiting on the case.
...and the motivation to get off my ass and finally get my crap put together on my M4/Momentus XT combo. They're just sitting there, still wrapped in the anti-static bags. They want to be used.
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Gotta have them terabytses
(i have ~8 spindles in various devices)
I am horribly out of date as to what's "hip" though. But gleaming over multiple posts, and checking various builds on various sites, I guess that something along the lines of an Intel i3, 8 gigs ram, and any beefy video card is more than enough to run any game at max quality? I'm not looking for top of the line, but I'd also like to keep my options open. The problem though being that while I know how to change most basic computer parts, I don't know nor trust myself on how to replace a processor, motherboard, or power supply, so those are probably going to be the ones I want decently futureproof for the time being. The only thing that completely and utterly confuses me are motherboards. I have no clue what the difference between the $70 and $150 is.
2 questions while they're on my mind:
1: How is onboard video these days? I'm considering foregoing the video card for a while, to save money. Really the only thing I would potentially use the PC for is WoW for the short term. So long as things are adequate, I don't mind waiting on the video card.
2: Just to show how old this current PC is, I'm still running XP. So... Windows 7 or 8? Every anecdotal talk I've heard scares me to death about 8, so is it safer to just grab 7 and ride it out for as long as possible? I basically just fear and hate change and want my taskbars, windows, and folders for as long as feasibly possible.
2. just go with win8, it's just like 7, only faster, and much cheaper to buy. The only real change is the start screen, and you get used to that fast/don't actually use start very much. And if it really bugs you then just install something like this: http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ and it will literally look just like win7 again. All the fear mongering and complaints are either from bloggers just wanting more page views by jumping on the bandwagon, or crotchity grumps who can't handle the slightest little change and don't actually use win8.
I was basically running WoW on this thing at the lowest quality. 1980 resolution, but near barebones, and the expansion was showing it. Any minor improvement would be fine by me
then you would be happy with the integrated gpu on an ivy bridge i5, like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
and to your older question of whats the difference between a $50 and $150 motherboard:
how many/what type of ports ie. usb 2/3, thunderbolt,firewire, esata, gigabit networking etc.
some of the cheaper manufacturers have really bad bios's
better quality components on the board itself, ie the voltage regulators, caps, etc. these help mostly for overclocking
number of sata ports/ bulit in raid controllers
number of pcie slots
but there are a fair number of good quality motherboard more towards the bottom end of the price range if you know what features are/aren't important to you and can comprise a bit.
Windows 8 is fine, a Core i5 is fine, and you can make do with the IGP for a while and get a discrete GPU later whenever you feel like it. PCI Express isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
The AMD chips have much better IGPs (and are uber cheap), but overall CPU speed is lower, so if you get an actual video card, just grab an i3 or i5. i5s should be on discount on boxing day, and I can attest that the jump from i3->i5 is worth the cash.
Of course, self fulfilling prophecy. The reason I don't play games on it anymore is because it's no longer capable of doing so.
So yeah. Basically the plan is to get something that can be upgraded later, since this current one is at the point where it's no longer feasible to. I'm just pondering the idea of forgoing the video card as a way of keeping the cost down.
I will say that I wish I trusted my skills in building a PC myself, in which case I could probably get a much better deal on things. But I just don't want to risk it. I'm a pussy like that.
putting together Ikea furniture is more difficult then computer building.
If you want to test the gaming water, maybe do the A10 route; probably $400 all in.
Can you use a screwdriver? Can you plug a kitchen appliance into a wall outlet?
Because if you can, you can absolutely build your own computer, no worries at all.
I just get nervous when you have to start considering stuff like thermal paste and the like.
Prodigy NAS Build:
As soon as I get a Prodigy and get my main system running on the new drive combo I have, it'll be a 6 drive NAS build running on FreeNAS or NAS4Free. Starting with a 6 disk RAID-Z1 on 1TB Spinpoints (5TB available storage) with the aim of expanding it with 3TB drives in the future.
unRAID 15-Drive Build:
If I had bought a different set of controller cards, this might be a FreeNAS build, but it was all designed with unRAID in mind, so I'm probably going to put it all together and sell it to recoup the costs. The case requires some modification, tabs in the 5.25'' bays need to be flattened and a few other things.
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Is there any other way?
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Here's what I currently have:
Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz
GeForce 9500 GT
2 GB RAM
Windows 8
I'd like to run current games at medium-high settings, and I don't want to spend more than $300. Are there some inexpensive upgrades I can make that'll help out with gaming?
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Though my concern would be that your power supply doesn't have a PCI-E power connector, and your motherboard doesn't support DDR3.
there aren't enough modestly sized cases with 9 5.25" external bays