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    FlatEricFlatEric Leaves from the vine, Falling so slow Like fragile, tiny shells, Drifting in the foamRegistered User regular
    I hope that cleaver is spammable since it goes in the secondary slot.
    Oh man I hope so

    Sandman + cleaver scout forever

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    IsoldaeIsoldae Hats Off To JigglypuffRegistered User regular
    Sandman + Cleaver = OTP

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    it's got an 8 second recharge :( you can have 3 things with charge gauges at once on scouts now.

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    they gave pyro a weapon based on water and a heavy weapon based on fire

    valve...

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    ScolbertScolbert Registered User regular
    valves obviously working on a first person pokemon

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I love the name of the new map

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    UEAKCrashUEAKCrash heh Registered User regular
    Koth_Aquifer_b2

    bz2 here.

    Change log:
    This is the height variation update.
    Drastically overhauled the center area. Former "basement" now repurposed and incorporated into top level. Former stairs and drop down re-used. A ton of huge changes to the center.
    Changed the buildings next to the center again. Should be more fun/ dynamic to play around now.
    Changed medium healthpacks back to small in the side buildings and adjusted location slightly.
    Widened platforms above CP.
    Increased the texture scale on water.

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    IsoldaeIsoldae Hats Off To JigglypuffRegistered User regular
    The meat cleaver cannot be spammed.

    It has about half the recharge time of the sandman though.

    180 damage when crit and around 60-80 damage when not.

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Grah why can't I play tf2 whyyyy

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    IsoldaeIsoldae Hats Off To JigglypuffRegistered User regular
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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    I need to have that minigun so bad

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Crash I like the new look of your map, and think you're going in the right direction with the changes you did, but now it feels too busy around the cap point. Also I did horribly as spy but that's more on me than the map.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    I do really like the look of the lower level now

    But the 3 stacked train crate things on top of each other look, well, pretty ugly now

    My favorite thing about a lot of TF2 maps is how interestingly architectural they are, and there's parts of aquifer that have that, but other areas that feel very improbable video game architecture, if you know what I mean

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Star doesn't like the Dragon Gun, but I don't care, because I only use weapons for their looks and not their utility because I am bad.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    star hates heavies anyway

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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    IsoldaeIsoldae Hats Off To JigglypuffRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    The new sapper is OP as shit.

    It takes a level 3 sentry to level 1 in like a second.

    Edit: which is faster than it takes a engineer to take off the sapper basically.

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    From the wiki;
    A downgraded building will not have its health reduced to the lower level, and if upgraded afterwards will take on an additional health increase. For example, when downgrading a level 3 Sentry to level 1, it will keep the 216 HP from the level 3 state and will keep gaining max HP when upgrading it again.

    Attaching a regular Sapper on a Sentry Gun affected by this glitch will result in a server crash.

    That's quite the bug there.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Fantastic.

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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    dragon gun could be nice for friendly pyros and scouts and maybe snipers who all have flame-friendly weapons, and it basically makes it that much harder to scout dance as well

    machete will be especially good for FAN scouts who really want to harass from way back at enemy spawn but can't get close enough to do real damage, as it's finally a long range spike option

    neon sign might be useful if facing reams of enemy pyros and dousers if it works with jarate and mad milk, and is a better humiliation kill for critting a sniper with his own jarate - in fact it's a better scenario because you don't need to use the flare/detonator or be right next to targets to prep them, which means you can probably afford not to have the degreaser.

    Red tape recorder is super powerful and buggy right now with the instantaneous devolution of sentries to the point where an engie will not be able to prevent its total deconstruction if he engages the spy at all, and it will automatically downgrade the first level pretty much instantly, which makes it hugely better against sentry farms and freshly moved sentries and sentries shooting at another guy and basically every spy loadout ever, cause the sentry will basically be in build mode and not firing as long as you sap it every once in a while in sap war, since engies without a jag can't immediately make it start firing

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    balancing the tape recorder seems like a nightmare

    too fast, it's OP as shit

    too slow, totally useless

    I feel like the sweetspot is a matter of tenths of a second.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    someone needs to tell star how to say guillotine

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    I do like the idea of a way of spies to deal with obnoxious sentry nests, although demos usually can take care of that fine anyway, but immediately devolving to a lvl 2 sentry seems pretty brutal. It just seems to reward yet more unsubtle spy play.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    "gill-you-tai-n"

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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    sarukun wrote: »
    balancing the tape recorder seems like a nightmare

    too fast, it's OP as shit

    too slow, totally useless

    I feel like the sweetspot is a matter of tenths of a second.

    the bigger issue is how it doesn't downgrade building health as well, and you keep the health upgrades with level upgrades, so you can theoretically get a saxton sentry that will crash the server if you double sap it

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    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Paladin wrote: »
    sarukun wrote: »
    balancing the tape recorder seems like a nightmare

    too fast, it's OP as shit

    too slow, totally useless

    I feel like the sweetspot is a matter of tenths of a second.

    the bigger issue is how it doesn't downgrade building health as well, and you keep the health upgrades with level upgrades, so you can theoretically get a saxton sentry that will crash the server if you double sap it

    Right, but that's a bug.

    That has nothing to do with how the thing actually works.

    I'm talking about, design wise, balancing that thing was/may-well-be-for-years-to-come a total nightmare.

    Edit: But then they just left the Dead Ringer as is, so maybe they're like "nope, already fixed".

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    spycicle + dead ringer + enforcer + red tape

    the most dickish spy loadout ever

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    I'm on your side this time, @Antimatter

    where's out flame aura weapon, huh?

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    or flame anything, goddammit

    give us a fiery shotty

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    spycicle + dead ringer + enforcer + red tape

    the most dickish spy loadout ever

    lol downgraded your sentry

    lol nope can't burn me

    lol nope can't kill me

    It does seem like this new sapper is going even further in rewarding spies for not bothering to actually be sneaky or clever. Just run up, stick a sapper on, dead ringer and run away, over and over again. Won't even matter that everyone knows you're a spy

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    spycicle + dead ringer + enforcer + red tape

    the most dickish spy loadout ever

    lol downgraded your sentry

    lol nope can't burn me

    lol nope can't kill me

    It does seem like this new sapper is going even further in rewarding spies for not bothering to actually be sneaky or clever. Just run up, stick a sapper on, dead ringer and run away, over and over again. Won't even matter that everyone knows you're a spy

    the consequence being that heavy rush is now more unstoppable than ever

    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    I feel like these items are designed to solve the problem of "everyone spy checks".

    If you are up against a team of relentless spy checkers, I feel like the class is gimped, so they have all these tools to deal with that.

    Of course, they're broken as shit for pub games, but I can top charts as a Heavy in pub games, so, I mean, commas, y'know?

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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    well now you can spy check an entire hallway without moving

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    I think the GRU would be hilarious if the heavy was lit aflame, in addition to the normal effects, with an aura to light up everyone around him.

    C'mon, there's little fire marks on 'em.

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    heavy is the new brainless engie nest guard

    sit on a dispenser shitting fire

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    I traded tf2 items for sleeping dogs

    which got me more tf2 items

    god bless america

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    Mr. ButtonsMr. Buttons Registered User regular
    it's about time the heavy had another layer of protection and reason to just sit in an engie nest, this will definitely make maps with major choke-points move more smoothly....

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Hmm

    Is there anyone here with an Apparition's Aspect up for trade?

    http://steamcommunity.com/id/Dubh_PA/inventory/

    There's my junk. Tell me what you would like in exchange.

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    Hmm

    Is there anyone here with an Apparition's Aspect up for trade?

    http://steamcommunity.com/id/Dubh_PA/inventory/

    There's my junk. Tell me what you would like in exchange.

    Don't trade it to Dubh, trade it to me!

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    I'm on your side this time, @Antimatter

    where's out flame aura weapon, huh?
    pyro twins unite
    form of... a bucket of fire

    shape of...a dragon

    Dubh wrote: »
    or flame anything, goddammit

    give us a fiery shotty

    fire shotgun is something we absolutely need

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    inncendiary rounds that also do respectable damage at point blank

    maybe reduced burn damage due to it being hitscan

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