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[TRENCHES] Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - Elsewhere

GethGeth LegionPerseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
edited August 2012 in The Penny Arcade Hub
Elsewhere


Elsewhere
http://trenchescomic.com/comic/post/elsewhere

Top Secret Algorithm

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When layoffs hit, the boss had a big meeting to discuss the Elite Super Magical Awesome Team that would get to stay, and had big charts and diagrams to show how the selection process was going to work. He was going to have numerous closed-door meetings with his assistants, review everyone’s work history, and use a “secret” algorithm to determine an unbiased, impartial list of candidates, then interview each one personally. By some amazing coincidence, every single person kept (out of a pool of a few hundred) either played fantasy football with him, was a roommate, or was a drinking buddy.

It’s a pretty screwed-up system when a 22-year-old with 8 months experience gets kept over a seven-year industry vet with a wife and two kids.


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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Meh common place in most jobs when it comes to lay offs in my experince
    But then It does piss me off I have been dismissed from two jobs because someone massively screwed up who was the freind or more of the boss and someone had to get the blame instead to cover thier ass

  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    To be fair, how many kids someone has is no indication of how good someone is at their job

  • JortalusJortalus Registered User regular
    Scooter wrote: »
    To be fair, how many kids someone has is no indication of how good someone is at their job

    I think the 7 years experience are more important to this story. He threw in the part about his wife and two kids to further elaborate that a 22 year old didn't need OR deserve the job quite as much.

  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Seniority isn't a fair system from the new guys perspective.

    Not that this was fair at all mind you just that both sides have problems.

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Jortalus wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    To be fair, how many kids someone has is no indication of how good someone is at their job

    I think the 7 years experience are more important to this story. He threw in the part about his wife and two kids to further elaborate that a 22 year old didn't need OR deserve the job quite as much.

    But on the flip side a seven year vet will have a much easier time getting a new job than a 22 year old with eight months on his CV. Anything under 3 years many as well be nothing at all.

  • SpektreSpektre Registered User new member
    In regards to the comic itself, something has really been bugging me. Isaac started off as a sympathetic character (he couldn't get a job, he was living in his car, etc.), but over time he has evolved (or devolved as the case may be) into a manipulative, self-serving douchebag. I feel like his character needs to come full circle and get back to being a sympathetic figure.

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Spektre wrote: »
    In regards to the comic itself, something has really been bugging me. Isaac started off as a sympathetic character (he couldn't get a job, he was living in his car, etc.), but over time he has evolved (or devolved as the case may be) into a manipulative, self-serving douchebag. I feel like his character needs to come full circle and get back to being a sympathetic figure.

    Christ, every fucking thread. Please, tell us what heinous sin Isaac has committed in this particular comic that so outrages you.

    I love how the fact that a person has had bad things happen to them makes them a sympathetic character. How do you know he wasn't just as big a douchebag as you perceive him to be now when he was sleeping in his car? Do you assume every homeless person you see in real life is necessarily a saint?

    It's called CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Isaac starts the comic as a twit (though not half the monster many of you make him out to be) so he can eventually grow. Also, EVERYONE in the strip is in their own way pretty much an incompetent, selfish asshole. Do I need to post the rundown of exactly all the ways each character is terrible like I did in the last thread?

    This strip is like The Office, OK? It's about a shitty, dysfunctional company and the silly morons who work there. The difference is that The Office has Jim and Pam to be the token nice, sane people, and you all want Isaac to be Jim or something. And there is no Jim here. Stop looking for him.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Jortalus wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    To be fair, how many kids someone has is no indication of how good someone is at their job

    I think the 7 years experience are more important to this story. He threw in the part about his wife and two kids to further elaborate that a 22 year old didn't need OR deserve the job quite as much.

    But on the flip side a seven year vet will have a much easier time getting a new job than a 22 year old with eight months on his CV. Anything under 3 years many as well be nothing at all.

    Whether someone needs the job should never come into it. It's all about who is providing the best service to the company. The other trick is that a 7 year vet is usually more expensive than a rookie, significantly in some cases. If the rookie is willing to bust his ass to produce like he was a 7 year vet, he's sometimes a better keep. Really situational. Especially in IT or other process-heavy roles, I prefer rookies because they're less "set in their ways." I just have to train a new guy. I usually have to untrain a rookie, and fight with their constant gripes about how they used to do it.

    What is this I don't even.
  • IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    Isaac is pretty much a straight up douche and has been from the start in my opinion... Not sure why this would need to change though... Nice characters are boring.

    Kinda dickish but my first thought from the story post was that the guy should have played fantasy football or gone drinking with his boss more.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    I think some of you are focusing too much on the 7-year experience thing and not enough on the fact that the guy retained his Fantasy Football players/roommate/boozing buddies. :P

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  • IamToochIamTooch Registered User regular
    Your office has a culture. All groups of humans do. It's prudent to figure out how to fit into it. Enter the March Madness pool. Stay for a beer bust once in a while.

    That said, it's also wise to be honest, pleasant, industrious, and reponsible. Own your shit. That way, if you do get bounced, you can live with yourself cos you took the high road.

    In the long run, you don't want to spend half your waking life with dishonest or unethical people. Don't settle. But hey it's your life.

  • AlienCowThatMoosAlienCowThatMoos Registered User regular
    Jortalus wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    To be fair, how many kids someone has is no indication of how good someone is at their job

    I think the 7 years experience are more important to this story. He threw in the part about his wife and two kids to further elaborate that a 22 year old didn't need OR deserve the job quite as much.

    Good on them. I'm tired of getting the long hours, shit tasks in remote areas and and least consideration for raises and layoffs just because the other guy's lucky enough to have found love, made a family, etc, etc.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    I don't even see the joke in this strip, ugh I don't know. The comic just doesn't seem like it's going anywhere, anytime some steam builds up boom, it just deflates, nothing happens.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Maybe the seven-year veteran was a whiner and that's why he got fired.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    I don't even see the joke in this strip, ugh I don't know. The comic just doesn't seem like it's going anywhere, anytime some steam builds up boom, it just deflates, nothing happens.

    I may suggest then you are partially blind.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    I think it's a little odd that the debris from Isaac's burrito doesn't move between panel 1 and panel 3. Isaac is eating an antigravity burrito.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Okay, first off, I like the Trenches.

    Now then, Cora is mind numbingly stupid in this comic. She's made at Issac? Issac saved her job! She got M/Rarley fired cause of her actions, and then did not accept the blame when she had a chance to. On what grounds should she be mad at Issac? Either she or M/Rarlay had to go, and she stayed silent as M/Rarlay got escorted out of the building (by her). She also got promoted because of all this.

    Preach it, my brother.

    Yes, Isaac framing Marley was a manipulative and fairly douchey thing to do (though you could make the case Marley deserved it).

    Nevertheless, Cora could have prevented the injustice of Marley being fired for her actions if she had chosen to do so; she could have stepped forward, taken responsibility and said, "Marley isn't the mole, I am - fire me, not him."

    But no.

    Instead, she huffed and puffed at Isaac for how for what a jerk he is, how mad at him she is, blah blah, all empty words. In the end, she's perfectly happy to reap the benefits of Isaac's misdeed: namely, that she still has a job (indeed, a better job, since she just got promoted) whereas Marley lost his for what she did.

    Cora is arguably worse than Isaac. Isaac is at least fairly honest about framing Marley, and was not entirely (though probably still mostly) self-interested in his motivations for doing it. Cora, on the other hand, on top of screwing over all of her fellow employees with her actions from the start, is basically a hypocrite.

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  • DurkhanusDurkhanus Commander Registered User regular
    Now, will Isaac find himself conflicted between his attraction to Cora, and his desire to have her new job? Will he use his knowledge of her being the mole to oust her from her position?

    Find out soon! Same Bat-time, same Bat-channel!

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Okay, first off, I like the Trenches.

    Now then, Cora is mind numbingly stupid in this comic. She's made at Issac? Issac saved her job! She got M/Rarley fired cause of her actions, and then did not accept the blame when she had a chance to. On what grounds should she be mad at Issac? Either she or M/Rarlay had to go, and she stayed silent as M/Rarlay got escorted out of the building (by her). She also got promoted because of all this.

    I still don't think we have any proof that Issac was actually helping Cora.

    It was never explicitly said that Cora was the leak, Issac just assumed that was the case, and then threw Marely under the bridge to "save" her (and even that was self-serving on his part).

    It's entirely possible that Marely was the leak all along anyway.


    Either way, Issac has never been sympathetic in this comic. Not once. Not even when he was stuck living out of his rich dude car.

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  • JucJuc EdmontonRegistered User regular
    It's pretty obvious that Cora's the leak, they've all but come right out and said it.
    The fact that they didn't come right out and say it doesn't make it any less true though.

    I'm honestly shocked that there are people who think that she's not the leak.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Juc wrote: »
    It's pretty obvious that Cora's the leak, they've all but come right out and said it.
    The fact that they didn't come right out and say it doesn't make it any less true though.

    I'm honestly shocked that there are people who think that she's not the leak.

    I think the very fact that they've deliberately shied away from saying it is pretty significant. Also that Issac comes off as a delusional jerk most of the time, and he's the one who "put the pieces together" that Cora was the leak. He's also the one who "put the pieces together" that Cora would kiss him after he got Marley fired. He's not very skilled at "putting the pieces together", is what I'm saying.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    no
    she is the leak
    cora is a horrible person

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    I think the fact they haven't explicitly said it yet does leave open the possibility it will turn out Cora wasn't the mole, although I think it's a very remote possibility and it would come off as pretty contrived if that happened. It could just be slightly sloppy writing, or we could be overanalyzing more than they ever anticipated when they wrote the comics.

    But there really aren't even that many characters in the comic, the possibilities for who the mole could be are pretty narrowed down.

    We know Isaac isn't the mole.

    We know Marley wasn't the mole.

    I guess it's possible Q could actually be the mole, punishing the company for the injustice it's doing to his beloved LawStarr, and has been making a show of hunting himself the entire time. That would be sort of funny/clever. But extremely unlikely.

    Credenza isn't engaged enough to bother/care.

    That leaves...

    Cora...

    Mr. Toots...?

    I guess there was a nameless (?) secretary/receptionist character we saw early on?

    We know from comics like this one that there are other employees on the QA team, or at least were, but they certainly don't qualify as characters - they literally blend into the background.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Gaslight wrote: »
    We know Marley wasn't the mole.

    Wait, how do we know Marley isn't the mole?

    I thought the very fact that he blanks out half the time and doesn't remember what he did was a prime indicator that maybe he did shit when he wasn't aware of it (like leak things).

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    But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
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  • slingstoneslingstone Registered User new member
    Geth wrote:
    Elsewhere<br />
    http://trenchescomic.com/comic/post/elsewhere<br />
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    Top Secret Algorithm<br />
    Anonymous<br />
    When layoffs hit, the boss had a big meeting to discuss the Elite Super Magical Awesome Team that would get to stay, and had big charts and diagrams to show how the selection process was going to work. He was going to have numerous closed-door meetings with his assistants, review everyone’s work history, and use a “secret” algorithm to determine an unbiased, impartial list of candidates, then interview each one personally. By some amazing coincidence, every single person kept (out of a pool of a few hundred) either played fantasy football with him, was a roommate, or was a drinking buddy. It’s a pretty screwed-up system when a 22-year-old with 8 months experience gets kept over a seven-year industry vet with a wife and two kids.

    Isn't this editing error bothering anyone else?
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